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[AnotherNils]

so yeah.... from NPR

Doesn't this fly in opposition to the "accidentally" overheard McConnell/Paul convo yesterday?

 

[TacticalFox88]

so yeah.... from NPR

Obama should call his bluff. They have no leverage anymore.

 

[Ourobolus]

Ted Cruz and Harry Reid are currently going back and forth on the Senate floor and...ugh. The amount of BS coming from Cruz's mouth is astounding.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Doesn't this fly in opposition to the "accidentally" overheard McConnell/Paul convo yesterday?

exactly.. its right in line with what they want. Rand Paul even said if we keep just repeating WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE and they keep saying we won't... we will win this thing.

its a fucking joke.

 

[The Librarian]

 

[Ourobolus]

exactly.. its right in line with what they want. Pual Ryan even said if we keep just repeating WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE and they keep saying we won't... we will win this thing.

its a fucking joke.

I think that was Rand Paul, actually.

 

[watershed]

so yeah.... from NPR

I knew republicans would use that quote the moment I read it. Whoever at the White House who gave that quote on background is an idiot. But it likely won't matter as long as democrats keep messaging strong. Plus Obama already sat down with them and nothing came of it. If I were Obama I would keep doing public speeches railing against the republicans then call the leaders in every day or two and demand they pass a clean CR over and over. Rinse and repeat until they break,

 

[JetBlackPanda]

I think that was Rand Paul, actually.

you are correct, sorry I will fix it right now.

 

[slit]

so yeah.... from NPR

Somebody has backed himself into a corner and is now offically desperate. I want tears next time.

 

[Diablos]

Somebody has backed himself into a corner and is now offically desperate. I want tears next time.

Still, this is not over and Democrats need to be careful, they aren't finished yet. Holding up that headline is not going to help the WH any.

 

[The Librarian]

The CPC is rewtweeting photos from a rally they're holding. Look at the photos here: https://twitter.com/USProgressives

 

[watershed]

Still, this is not over and Democrats need to be careful, they aren't finished yet. Holding up that headline is not going to help the WH any.

That's what I mean. Democrats have the clear advantage here but this is politics, They need to play the game well and not just assume everyone will agree with their position. That quote from whoever in the White House is an easy headline for any media outlet looking to blame democrats or even media outlets trying to push the "both sides are at fault" message.

Edit: case in point, Huffington Post. If they are criticizing the White House you know they goofed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/white-house-government-shutdown_n_4043961.html

 

[JetBlackPanda]

That's what I mean. Democrats have the clear advantage here but this is politics, They need to play the game well and not just assume everyone will agree with their position. That quote from whoever in the White House is an easy headline for any media outlet looking to blame democrats or even media outlets trying to push the "both sides are at fault" message.

As far as I am concerned unnamed sources are fake.

 

[Owzers]

Ted Cruz and Harry Reid are currently going back and forth on the Senate floor and...ugh. The amount of BS coming from Cruz's mouth is astounding.

He's under my skin, i feel bad that i hate him but he's just a horrible person. Cruz is now accusing democrats of holding things hostage unless all of government is funded.

 

[Poltergust]

That's what I mean. Democrats have the clear advantage here but this is politics, They need to play the game well and not just assume everyone will agree with their position. That quote from whoever in the White House is an easy headline for any media outlet looking to blame democrats or even media outlets trying to push the "both sides are at fault" message.

I do think the Democrats need to be more outspoken, though. They are not calling out the Republicans enough outside of a few people, so what people are usually hearing are the Republicans blaming the Democrats for the shutdown, even though that's 100% false.

If people hear something enough times, they'll start to believe it.

 

[watershed]

As far as I am concerned unnamed sources are fake.

Okay but that's not how politics works. A lot of background info and intentional messaging comes from unnamed sources. It's just a natural part of politics. I have no trouble believing someone at the White House gave that quote. They are political professionals after all and its their job to play "the game" right. That quote was unnecessary and damaging.

I do think the Democrats need to be more outspoken, though. They are not calling out the Republicans enough outside of a few people, so what people are usually hearing are the Republicans blaming the Democrats for the shutdown, even though that's 100% false.

If people hear something enough times, they'll start to believe it.

I don't know about that. President Obama's public comments have been pretty great, In his last speech he was very detailed but also extremely specific about placing the blame on House republicans and the fact that Speaker Boehner could pass a clean CR if he would only bring it to a vote. I think Obama is doing a good job with keeping on the offensive.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/john-boehner-shutdown-ad_n_4044042.html (video)

Ad to be run during Sunday football comparing John Boehner to a crying baby.

BRILLIANT.

This is the most fantastic thing I've seen since this entire debacle. It needs to be played on every fucking station, every goddamned commercial break.

On day four my

Spoiler

un

paid vacation, and I'm not pleased.

 

[The Librarian]

Okay but that's not how politics works. A lot of background info and intentional messaging comes from unnamed sources. It's just a natural part of politics. I have no trouble someone at the White House gave that quote. They are political professionals after all and its their job to play "the game" right. That quote was unnecessary and damaging.

Quoting you cause you were asking about it earlier: debt ceiling primer by Brad Plumer.

 

[impirius]

guys it's happening

 

[watershed]

Quoting you cause you were asking about it earlier: debt ceiling primer by Brad Plumer.

I think it was someone else asking but thanks for the info!

 

[Poltergust]

I don't know about that. President Obama's public comments have been pretty great, In his last speech he was very detailed but also extremely specific about placing the blame on House republicans and the fact that Speaker Boehner could pass a clean CR if he would only bring it to a vote. I think Obama is doing a good job with keeping on the offensive.

Hence why I said "outside of a few people". =P

In particular, more members of Congress need to be more openly critical of what the Republicans are doing. Remaining silent will only reinforce people's opinions that the Democrats are really the ones at fault. A "guilt through silence" sort of thing.

 

[Pagusas]

is it possible we will ever see some sort of messure past that prevents this type of mess? Like something that forbids the use of the fed budget from being used like this? Or maybe something that says "if we do not agree on a budget by the cutoff, last years budget automatically gets renewed"?

 

[soundahfekz]

Democrats, Republicans all the same pissing me off!

You're so above us all. Man, you've got it all figured out. You should run for president and show all these inferior partisan hacks how its done!

 

[AnotherNils]

guys it's happening

What channel is that?

 

[SteveWinwood]

guys it's happening

bahahahaha

 

[watershed]

What channel is that?

Looks like CNBC which wouldn't surprise me.

 

[TastyOreoFriend]

wait, if your'e an independent, how are you not qualifying for financial aid? 0 incomes mean you would at worst, get subsidized federal loans (unless you've been in school for longer than 4 years).

Did you read my post? Of course I'm getting financial aid (pell grant). I'm also getting those stanfford loans which isn't free money. Even if the government is paying interest that money still has to be paid back eventually

And, credit hours should only matter if you're doing school part time no? If it's full time, then you'll just be paying one lump sum for that semester.

Full-time student here. No you do not pay 1 lump sum a semester here. Financial aid is dispersed in 1 lump sum and then split in half for each part of the school year. I can only use the maximum amount they split in half for that semester.

as for your scholarships applying, that's pretty unfortunate, another reason why Florida sucks. But, maybe your time is better spent trying to find a job then if the scholarships aren't even paying that much?

There are no jobs here. Pretty sure I said that.....

The retiree diid not lose everything when it popped, unless they've managed to die in the last 5 years. Because the ones that live, the stock market (and along with their stock earnings), has greatly increase since 2008.

Yeah actually a lot of retiree's did that had their retirement tied up in property and yes the stock market. Not everyone's recovered. And those that haven't are currently take out the trash at Mcdonalds.

I'm applying my own personal experience because I don't think anything I've had was ever given to me, or that it was easy. I went to school full time, took part time jobs, and like you , did summer classes while working to to graduate on time. I applied to hundreds of scholarships only to get like, 2. And then also going through what, i think 30 interviews, before getting a job after graduation.

Which is why what your doing is a mistake. Walk a mile in another mans shoes cause not everyone is going to eventually get a part-time job that pay a decent wage just through sheer effort alone. Your experience is not the rule rather than the exception.

Do other people have it worst than me? I'm sure. That's not my point. My point is that all this Gaf talk of education in the uS to be so prohibitively expensive is pretty much only looking at Grad schools and private schools, completely ignoring the public university settings.

This is nonsense based on your own personal bubble. Public university isn't some infallible place where its impossible to be buried under debt. There are plenty of STEM majors and others degree's who walk out of public universities with tons of debt despite everything they've done. There's a a trillion dollars worth of student debt out there and not all of it is coming from private institutions.

Yay, let's talk of the student that did a 3 year law school and came out with no job and a 200k debt and says the US school system needs to be reform without realizing that that has nothing to do with the undergraduate program.

Yeah lets encourage everyone to take underwater basket weaving at a vocational school instead. They'll be debt free in no time.

 

[slit]

guys it's happening

When are they going to report on when he goes to the restroom?

 

[Diablos]

guys it's happening

wtf was this just now?

 

[Jackpot]

Democrats, Republicans all the same pissing me off!

"Look at me, I get to pretend to be above it all and don't have to know anything about either side!"

 

[bonercop]

guys it's happening

...agenda 21 is at hand!!

 

[watershed]

John Boehner pisses me off. He's such a weak speaker he wasn't smart enough to get out in front of tea party republicans and appease them earlier, he isn't strong enough to muscle them into falling in line with the leadership, and he's not brave enough to take on the risk of passing a clean CR with mostly democratic support and only a "minority of the majority". He seems like a pretty crappy politician.

 

[Hawkian]

Edit: case in point, Huffington Post. If they are criticizing the White House you know they goofed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/white-house-government-shutdown_n_4043961.html

Carney actually seems to have this on lock, though

edit: I just got a wave of intense depression that national debate at this level is taking place on twitter. the white house press secretary's language is strained due to an imposed character limit

edit: awesome

The National WIC Association, the advocacy arm of a nutritional food program for poor women, infants and children, strongly denounced a Republican-sponsored measure on Friday that would fund WIC while the rest of the government remains shut down.

The WIC Association called H J Res 75, the Nutrition Assistance for Low-Income Women and Children Act, "a cynical ploy to use low-income nutritionally at-risk mothers and young children as political pawns for political ends."

"Funding the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) in this piecemeal, short-term, stop-gap manner is not an acceptable solution," the association said in a statement.

 

[Tragicomedy]

"Can I burn down your house?"
"No."
"How about just the second floor?"
"No."
"Just the living room?"
"No."
"WHY WON'T YOU NEGOTIATE???"

 

[Agnostic]

I've always wanted to know what would happen with a third party in American politics.

 

[jamesinclair]

I always wanted to know what would happen with a third party in American politics.

I havent voted democrat in years, why have you?

 

[Gucci Messiah]

I've always wanted to know what would happen with a third party in American politics.

I don't think we could continue using the "winner take all" system if a third party was to become viable

 

[Agnostic]

I havent voted democrat in years, why have you?

Supreme Court Nominations

 

[Agnostic]

I don't think we could continue using the "winner take all" system if a third party was to become viable

The Tea Party is the third party. Sorry about my post not being clear.


edit: I fucked up with double post.

 

[Lucky Forward]

Tourists angered by shutdown of U.S. D-Day cemetery in France

SAINT-LAURENT-SUR-MER, France - American tourists visiting a D-Day cemetery in Normandy, northern France, expressed anger upon discovering that the white-cross memorial they had travelled thousands of miles to see was closed due to a U.S. government shutdown.

Thousands of Americans flock to Normandy each year to see the beaches and sharp cliff-faces where Allied soldiers made their first entry into Nazi-occupied France during a massive invasion on June 6, 1944, known as D-Day.

A year from the invasion's 70th anniversary, many came especially to visit the Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial, known for its pristine rows of white crosses, only to discover that its gates were chained shut.

"Due to the U.S. Government shut-down this site is closed to the public," read a sign on the gate. Dozens of roses had been strewn underneath by visitors.

 

[kess]

Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

Basically, the Democratic leadership believes they can use a "discharge petition" on a previously filed bill to force a clean up and down vote. I'll leave out the parliamentary niceties, but the takeaway is that:

Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they’d be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit — which expires on October 17th — it’s very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Dems move to force Republicans to reopen the government

Basically, the Democratic leadership believes they can use a "discharge petition" on a previously filed bill to force a clean up and down vote. I'll leave out the parliamentary niceties, but the takeaway is that:

But now House Democrats say they have found a previously filed bill to use as a discharge petition — one that would fund the government at sequester levels.

The bill in question is the “Government Shutdown Prevention Act,” which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma. As the Congressman’s release describes it:

"If Congress fails to approve a budget by the end of each fiscal year, the Government Shutdown Prevention Act would ensure that all operations remain running normally without any interruption of services by automatically triggering a continuing resolution (CR) or short-term, stop-gap spending device. The bill creates an automatic CR for any regular appropriations bill not completed before the end of the fiscal year. After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days."

rofl

 

[Hawkian]

I don't think we could continue using the "winner take all" system if a third party was to become viable

Other way around, or maybe just a phrasing quirk; first past the post voting mathematically ensures that a third party cannot become viable.

The Tea Party is the third party. Sorry about my post not being clear.


edit: I fucked up with double post.

If the Tea Party were actually a third party this would all be a silly what-if scenario being joked about by people on both "sides."

 

[AnotherNils]

Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they’d be able to force a vote by October 14th.

Jesus, that's still 10 days from now. SOunds like a shitty parliamentary nicety.

 

[Lonely1]

Realistically, how long will this last? My brother needs to renew his daughters Visa, or there's going to be trouble.

 

[SporeCrawler]

So is this only me or does italys politics look more sane then us politics this week?

 

[Suikoguy]

Realistically, how long will this last? My brother needs to renew his daughters Visa, or there's going to be trouble.

Republicans want to roll the debt ceiling into this too, so it could be weeks...

 

[Tesseract]

Realistically, how long will this last? My brother needs to renew his daughters Visa, or there's going to be trouble.

probably october 17thish, nearer to the looming debt-ceiling deadline.

 

[Kiraly]

So is this only me or does italys politics look more sane then us politics this week?

Never thought I would live to see this day.

 

[LegendofJoe]

This will be over on the 17th. I'm pretty confident the Republican purse masters won't let their lackeys default on the country's debt.