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US Federal Government Shutdown | Shutdown Shutdown, Debt Ceiling Raised
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Here_Try_This
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Yes?
great post totally stollen from the washington post by eduardo2
Oct 2008: "You'll never get elected and pass healthcare."
Nov 2008: "We'll never let you pass healthcare."
Jan 2009: "We are going to shout you down every time you try to pass healthcare."
July 2009: "We will fight to the death every attempt you make to pass healthcare."
Dec 2009: "We will destroy you if you even consider passing healthcare."
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."
Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."
Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 35 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding, destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing and ripping apart healthcare."
Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING???"
Oct 2008: "You'll never get elected and pass healthcare."
Nov 2008: "We'll never let you pass healthcare."
Jan 2009: "We are going to shout you down every time you try to pass healthcare."
July 2009: "We will fight to the death every attempt you make to pass healthcare."
Dec 2009: "We will destroy you if you even consider passing healthcare."
March 2010: "We can't believe you just passed healthcare."
April 2010: "We are going to overturn healthcare."
Sept 2010: "We are going to repeal healthcare."
Jan 2011: "We are going to destroy healthcare."
Feb 2012: "We are going to elect a candidate who will immediately revoke healthcare."
June 2012: "We will go to the Supreme Court, and they will overturn healthcare."
Aug 2012: "The American people will never re-elect you, because they don't want healthcare."
Oct 2012: "We can't wait to win the election and explode healthcare."
Nov 2012: "We can't believe you just got re-elected and that we can't repeal healthcare."
Feb 2013: "We're still going to vote to obliterate healthcare."
June 2013: "We can't believe the Supreme Court just upheld healthcare."
July 2013: "We're going to vote like 35 more times to erase healthcare."
Sept 2013: "We are going to leverage a government shutdown into defunding, destroying, obliterating, overturning, repealing, dismantling, erasing and ripping apart healthcare."
Oct 2013: "WHY AREN'T YOU NEGOTIATING???"
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Remember when it was all about Repeal and Replace?
Funny how the second part kind of got phased out over the years.
Christ. It's been years
Funny how the second part kind of got phased out over the years.
Christ. It's been years
Yes, the Republicans that claim they are willing to pass a clean CR just need to sign the discharge petition. Naturally, they refuse
The crazies are celebrating the shut down though, as well as the default.... to teach liberals a lesson.
So, who would they start shooting? Liberals? Because their lesson with the default wasn't thorough enough?
Ether_Snake
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Like I posted in the stock thread, if we end up with a sudden market panic (which doesn't need a reason to happen), enough to cause some big bank(s) to require an immediate bailout, in the current context, imagine the impact. It would be 2008 redux, with no agreement to bailout anything.
BOOM
And like that, the US crashes harder than in 2008, and this time there's no way out. Total ultimate political AND national deadlock.
BOOM
And like that, the US crashes harder than in 2008, and this time there's no way out. Total ultimate political AND national deadlock.
What happens if he doesn't show up one day for some reason? Can anyone just bring something to a vote or what is the procedure there..
theprodigy
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it's never enough for them
It's important to note that it's easier than this -- yes, signing the petition would force the issue, but if they're really willing to go the distance all they have to do is vote against the mini-CRs and other tactical bills the House is passing. Remember that Boehner's "Plan B" during the fiscal cliff was an abortion for just this reason -- too many defectors for him to pass his offer to Obama, leaving him no choice but to bring up the Senate bill or let taxes rise.
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/bi...stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=12670-1
dat scribblin on wall
dat scribblin on wall
Maninthemirror
Banned
News max ... Brietbart
Nice to see they aren't stupid. Sad to see that House Republicans have just about lost all their sanity. I used to think this default news was just a hypothetical worst-case scenario, but it's frightening to see that it has become a possibility at this point. Unbelievable.
Brian Griffin
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lol
"Full retard" is probably the best thing to come out of Tropic Thunder and since "retard" is becoming more and more offensive to people I fully support "republican" to take it's place when harshly describing someone with profound mental deficiencies.
Yeah well thats usually how shit goes bad, says every movie ever.
They've gone full Republican, all right...
I'm a right-leaning independent, and I can get behind this. Full Republican.
Biscuits and gravy. Muffin Frosting.
In New Poll, Americans Blame Everyone for Government Shutdown
Better yet, here's Mr. I'm going to break the House of Representatives himself, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.
The startling CNN poll on the shutdown
Every word makes me hate him. The affected ingenuity is offensive and the talk about the media narrative is pretty rich coming from a dude who is writing a bloated opinion piece for CNN because he was the last jake to pull this stunt.
Yeah that's basically what they're going to run with. I knew shit was bad but I really hoped it wasn't as bad as I thought but now I'm pretty sure that it's much worse.
In New Poll, Americans Blame Everyone for Government Shutdown
Nate Rawlings said:
Better yet, here's Mr. I'm going to break the House of Representatives himself, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.
The startling CNN poll on the shutdown
Baʿal Zəvûv said:
Every word makes me hate him. The affected ingenuity is offensive and the talk about the media narrative is pretty rich coming from a dude who is writing a bloated opinion piece for CNN because he was the last jake to pull this stunt.
Lord of the Flies said:
Yeah that's basically what they're going to run with. I knew shit was bad but I really hoped it wasn't as bad as I thought but now I'm pretty sure that it's much worse.
makingmusic476
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Fuck, that's grim.
The idea that we would ever hold (the right) people accountable seems naive, especially after the last recession. Of course Americans blame both parties equally.
From a completely and entirely unrelated thread, more Americans believe in a literal hell and Satan than in evolution.
From a completely and entirely unrelated thread, more Americans believe in a literal hell and Satan than in evolution.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Yeah I don't know why people in these threads keep posting the polls as some sort of win for Democrats. It should be a bloodbath if people actually knew what the fuck was going on, as evidenced by no conservatives on the forum, or anywhere on the internet, being able to even come remotely close to providing a reason why any party should be able to stop government from running because they don't like a bill that passed legally. Why this is a good precedent to set when the Democrats could do the same thing in the future and try to force a bunch of bullshit on everyone.
Every single time I have seen this brought up to a conservative, it is always dodged.
Every single time I have seen this brought up to a conservative, it is always dodged.
I fucking blame everyone, and i read GAF every day. If i can somehow manage to come out with that feeling, the common everyday joe wants all politicians dead.
Repubs, great success.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...88c0-3038-11e3-8906-3daa2bcde110_story_4.html
Q: So what has changed in the political dynamic if you do the short-term -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I think -- I think what has changed is they're aware of the fact that I'm not budging when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States, that that has to be dealt with, that you don't d-- you don't pay a ransom, you don't provide concessions for Congress doing its job and America paying its bills.
...I'm not sure that they will be aware of that.
Q: So what has changed in the political dynamic if you do the short-term -- (inaudible) --
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I think -- I think what has changed is they're aware of the fact that I'm not budging when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States, that that has to be dealt with, that you don't d-- you don't pay a ransom, you don't provide concessions for Congress doing its job and America paying its bills.
...I'm not sure that they will be aware of that.
I've also seen a ton of people on my Facebook feed who also don't know why it's just the Republicans fault, and these are some fairly liberal/middle of the road people. Misinformation is rampant.
Sirpopopop
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Many American voters are in fact the problem. They are what shield these loonies from any consequences for destructive actions because they continue to vote for these dopes no matter how much harm they cause. They would dispense with these tactics if they faced electoral consequences, but they know they won't.
Honestly, many American citizens are politically stupid and know less about their own country than foreigners.
Honestly, many American citizens are politically stupid and know less about their own country than foreigners.
It's disgusting how misinformed the public at large really is. I guess the cuts and downgrade of the American educational system is working. The fact that people actually are split is both frightening and sad.
The strength of a democratic state to me is a strong and well educated middle class. Both which we are sorely lacking.
I really should move my family to Denmark...
The strength of a democratic state to me is a strong and well educated middle class. Both which we are sorely lacking.
I really should move my family to Denmark...
You blame the Democrats for passing a law? Okay.
TheDrowningMan
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Television news and its insatiable, irrefutably sexual fetish for playing the "both sides are doing it!" card is a huge factor. That's why Obama completely stonewalled every TV "journalist" at his last press conference.
There are a lot of factors at work as to why people are appearing so 'stupid'.
-Social upbringing of a once successful Republican party
-People being worked to death not having time to bother with politics
-People spoiled not needing to care about politics
-Media like Fox news spewing bullshit
-Corporate lobbying spending a lot of money to brainwash
I'd say the #1 factor however is the family upbringing. I'd say 99% of the very aggressive republicans i know come from that type of family, and because 20 years ago their party wasnt an abortion this generation is firmly loyal to them until they will have to personally confront hardships at which point both parties will be thrown out the window in their eyes.
Its not rocket science really. Give it another 30 years if we survive that long and repubs dont reform, there is no way you will have a large % supporting them. At this point you will either have a democracy where the people vote their asses out, or thy will refuse and it will be like those bleak sci-fi films we like so much.
Im fed up with everyone, which was my point. Okay.
They could have at least compromised by not passing it.
Randolph Freelander
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How far away is 2020 and the redrawing of congressional districts? :/
I don't know if this nation can handle another 7-9 years of tea partiers running the gerrymandered House GOP show.
I don't know if this nation can handle another 7-9 years of tea partiers running the gerrymandered House GOP show.
Just fix my state, TX, and the GOP is dead for good.
A 2013 government shutdown and possible default on treasuries was an easily forseeable consequence of passing the ACA, dude.
Randolph Freelander
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My State, NC, is in the tipping zone, too, having gone for Obama in 2008 and only narrowly for Romney in 2012, which is why the local GOP is going insane trying to get as much destruction done as they can in these next few years. But the urban centers are growing fast, and the GOP is going to have massive troubles by 2020, I believe. But still, these congressional districts are just too safe for any repercussions to be felt by most legislators.
You'd need to fix gerrymandering as well.
NullPointer
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The only way Republicans will be held accountable is when Fox News and conservative radio gets on their case. And they only do that when Republicans aren't acting extreme enough.
Right now the propaganda being catapulted is:
1. Its the Obama Shutdown. Repeat that: Obama... Shutdown.. Let it sink in and roll around a bit and say it three times to make it real: Obama Shutdown.
2. Republicans just want to negotiate and Obama is relinquishing his leadership by shutting off any avenues of discussion. He's acting like some kind of King rather than an elected leader.
3. Its a slimdown, not a shutdown, really, as there are still some parts of the Federal government that are open and operating. And who needs the other parts, really, when you think about it? Isn't it a great thing that those 47%, also known as losers and leeches and degenerates and the poor and minorities have to pull themselves away from the government teat for a few days? Hell, they might just look to the church for community support or craft some bootstraps! Oh, but hey, for those oh so rare conservatives that might be burdened by the federal shutdown because of their hard earned benefits and privileges, well, we'll push forth resolutions to fund just those aspects of government our most visible supporters want us to, and we can all watch the Democrats shut those down.
As long as the noise machine repeats these points, how is that audience that ONLY gets their news from Fox, conservative radio and sites like NewsMax and Free Republic to know?
Right now the propaganda being catapulted is:
1. Its the Obama Shutdown. Repeat that: Obama... Shutdown.. Let it sink in and roll around a bit and say it three times to make it real: Obama Shutdown.
2. Republicans just want to negotiate and Obama is relinquishing his leadership by shutting off any avenues of discussion. He's acting like some kind of King rather than an elected leader.
3. Its a slimdown, not a shutdown, really, as there are still some parts of the Federal government that are open and operating. And who needs the other parts, really, when you think about it? Isn't it a great thing that those 47%, also known as losers and leeches and degenerates and the poor and minorities have to pull themselves away from the government teat for a few days? Hell, they might just look to the church for community support or craft some bootstraps! Oh, but hey, for those oh so rare conservatives that might be burdened by the federal shutdown because of their hard earned benefits and privileges, well, we'll push forth resolutions to fund just those aspects of government our most visible supporters want us to, and we can all watch the Democrats shut those down.
As long as the noise machine repeats these points, how is that audience that ONLY gets their news from Fox, conservative radio and sites like NewsMax and Free Republic to know?
That's what I meant. If districts were fair, we'd be very slightly reddish purple and about to switch to slightly blue as demographics shift and urban areas increase in weight.
So depressing. The GOP just won't let the chips fall where they may -- they have to throw a hissy fit and troll the electorate until at least 2016-2020. That is such a waste of time. A waste of people's lives, a waste of the passion they have for this country turning a new leaf. The demographics are there. Leave it the fuck alone, let things happen as they come along. But nooo, they have to hijack the state legislatures across the nation and stall progress by any means necessary, no matter how irrational and damaging it may be to the country.
Armoured Priest
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At this point, I'm just hoping Boehner is just holding off so that he only has to take one bullet (bring up both the CR and a debt limit increase at the same time) rather then two in a row. I'm also hoping the markets getting pissed scare him more then the Tea Party.
Still, there's an element of insane "let it burn" mentality that's making me nervous.
Still, there's an element of insane "let it burn" mentality that's making me nervous.
So how much longer until Obama requests the Treasury to mint those $1 trillion USD Ronald Reagan coins? I cannot wait until the Steve Jobs-esque showing of the coin on prime time TV with a portrait of Boner crying in the background.
OMG/EDIT: You can search John Boner on google and it corrects it but doesn't tell you "did you mean?".
OMG/EDIT: You can search John Boner on google and it corrects it but doesn't tell you "did you mean?".
Hero_of_the_Day
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This is how I feel. I literally have no idea how this is going to play out. The longer it goes on, the harder I imagine it is for them to just give it up. They've gone all in on claiming the ACA is the worst thing ever, they can't give in now and have everything turn out fine or even great.
Just had what would usually be Agency Night at the DPS conference - the US' big annual meeting of planetary scientists. Unfortunately most NASA and NSF people couldn't make it this year. We spent a lot of time having depressing conversations about what we could do to prevent or mitigate the kind of damage to space science that the sequester and now the shutdown have done to science (in general; this has hit every field) in the US and the world. Obviously Obama has not been great on space science himself, but writing or phoning your Congressmen matters a lot and has a real chance of helping out.
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