Kanye West Is One Of The Greatest Contemporary Artists Of All Time

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Agreed. Got tickets to see Yeezus at the end of month.

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Agreed.

But really, even as a Stan I'm staying out of this threads. Kanye threads in OT are troll bait I tell ya.
 
Kanye West is definitely one of the best MC's around even though his new music is complete fucking trash. And he has definitely made far superior beats that will without a doubt stand the test of time.

''My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy'' is one of his worst albums by the way. Nothing on it is significant

Hmm, comparing him to Beethoven isn't a stretch actually. Kanye did make fantastic music. He actually made music that could be felt.

Also Op needs to post examples or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUex--xhlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVYGpPvNX_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXHSSaM_ymo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48s3j3dJ36c
 
ohlawd said:
MBDTF turns into a shit album halfway through. Did no one ever listen to College Dropout or Late Registration?

I am sure Kanye is ashamed he created such a crap album like "man how come I can't make an album as good as CD or LR anymore?"
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Really?

I love So Appaled, Runaway, Hell of a Life etc.. some of my favorite Kanye songs.
 
When I think of great Hip Hop artists I think of Rakim the best lyricist of all time imo, Kool G Rap and Polo (Poison in particular was such an incredible track), BDP and LL for being true battling MC's. Run DMC for what they did for the genre, Beastie Boys. These people were trailblazers.

But then, I'm from a different generation. So I'm bound to think this, just as Kanye fans are from a different generation and they think he's a trailblazer. Music changes, but attitudes don't. They repeat from generation to generation and that won't ever change.
 
spirity said:
When I think of great Hip Hop artists I think of Rakim the best lyricist of all time imo, Kool G Rap and Polo (Poison in particular was such an incredible track), BDP and LL for being true battling MC's. Run DMC for what they did for the genre, Beastie Boys. These people were trailblazers.

But then, I'm from a different generation. So I'm bound to think this, just as Kanye fans are from a different generation and they think he's a trailblazer. Music changes, but attitudes don't. They repeat from generation to generation and that won't ever change.
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Kanye's greatness doesn't have to do much with lyricism at all, though his lyrical content was sort of different in the context of the time he broke out in. Lyrics definitely aren't everything, but they are important.
 
Loving Fugu's insightful posts.

So I don't know much about Kanye or followed music for so long. I keep hearing he was groundbreaking. Can I get some examples of what music was like before he came on board, some of the music he then released, and the direct influences it caused in the industry afterwards?
 
enzo_gt said:
Kanye's greatness doesn't have to do much with lyricism at all, though his lyrical content was sort of different in the context of the time he broke out in. Lyrics definitely aren't everything, but they are important.
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Yeah, I know. Run DMC, Beastie Boys and Public Enemy's greatness aren't attributed to lyricism either.
 
VHS junkie said:
my favorite Kanye track

College Dropout is the best debut album of all time

yeah I said it

(Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous and Illmatic would come in as a close second choices)
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Illmatic is definitely better

Streetlights might be my favorite Kanye track.
 
Alright so I compiled a list of my personal favorites from Kanye's albums. This is by no means a definitive list, just songs that stand out to me and would probably help a lot of people understand the different types of music Kanye makes.

The College Dropout
All Falls Down
Spaceship
Jesus Walks
The New Workout Plan
Never Let Me Down

Late Registration
My Way Home
Crack Music
Roses
Hey Mama
Diamonds From Sierra Leone

Graduation
Good Morning
Stronger
Good Life
Flashing Lights
Homecoming

808s & Heartbreak
Welcome To Heartbreak
Love Lockdown
RoboCop
Bad News
Coldest Winter

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Gorgeous
So Appalled
Monster
Hell Of A Life
Blame Game

Yeezus
I Am A God
New Slaves
I'm In It
Blood On The Leaves
Bound 2

Too many good songs, hard to not post whole entire albums.
 
Was listening to yeezus in the gym today. Damn I like it more now than ever. Kanye deed it.

In general I agree with this thread but I am obviously biased.
 
I didn't really come here to debate, but you guys posting your favorite Kanye tracks should hear the Late Orchestration album. It's basically College Dropout and Late Registraion with an orchestra.
 
I knew he was the greatest modern artist as soon as I got College Dropout and heard We Don't Care.

Then he debuted Runaway on the VMAs, and I thought he might be the greatest artist ever.
 
y2dvd said:
Loving Fugu's insightful posts.

So I don't know much about Kanye or followed music for so long. I keep hearing he was groundbreaking. Can I get some examples of what music was like before he came on board, some of the music he then released, and the direct influences it caused in the industry afterwards?
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808's and heartbreak created Drake
 
FZZpure said:
Alright so I compiled a list of my personal favorites from Kanye's albums. This is by no means a definitive list, just songs that stand out to me and would probably help a lot of people understand the different types of music Kanye makes.

The College Dropout
All Falls Down
Spaceship
Jesus Walks
The New Workout Plan
Never Let Me Down

Late Registration
My Way Home
Crack Music
Roses
Hey Mama
Diamonds From Sierra Leone

Graduation
Good Morning
Stronger
Good Life
Flashing Lights
Homecoming

808s & Heartbreak
Welcome To Heartbreak
Love Lockdown
RoboCop
Bad News
Coldest Winter

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Gorgeous
So Appalled
Monster
Hell Of A Life
Blame Game

Yeezus
I Am A God
New Slaves
I'm In It
Blood On The Leaves
Bound 2

Too many good songs, hard to not post whole entire albums.
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This list is perfect, though I would had added 'Last Call" to College Dropout
 
There is a great inconsistency between artist Kanye and person Kanye, and honestly I see no redeeming qualities of person Kanye, he somehow manages to be pedantic, flamboyant and awkward at the same time, he's not eccentric, he's not anti establishment, he is not interesting, I even dare to say he has some degree of autism by some of the interviews I've seen of him. He has zero charisma.

Just wanted to put this out there.
 
Cuyejo said:
There is a great inconsistency between artist Kanye and person Kanye, and honestly I see no redeeming qualities of person Kanye, he somehow manages to be pedantic, flamboyant and awkward at the same time, he's not eccentric, he's not anti establishment, he is not interesting, I even dare to say he has some degree of autism by some of the interviews I've seen of him. He has zero charisma.

Just wanted to put this out there.
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I disagree. Kanye is the music. If it wasn't for Kanye the arrogant, brash, impulsive, always unsatisfied, always motivated, information fiend, religiously conflicted and generally savant-esque he is, we never would have had the diversity and consistency his catalog offers, nor the specific lyrical content people gravitated towards in the first place or stayed with him for over the years. It is the same impulsiveness, confidence and arrogance in his personality that allows something like an 808s to exist. Charisma is the reason why people sat through College Dropout, and he is pretty damn eccentric especially in the genre he's in.

Post-Yeezus is the first time we've even had a glimpse at dude not being hungry musically.
 
Fugu said:
The closest thing to a pop genius that I can think of is the Beatles.

The Beatles remained relevant by consciously subverting what they'd become associated with and by adapting a wide variety of different musical vocabularies into the narrow form of rock music that they were familiar with. While many acts have reinvented themselves, they did so in front of arguably the largest audience in the history of music and they did so in ways that never seemed to lose the attention of that audience.

I am skeptical of referring to them as geniuses even still because the extent of their capitalization of the western ear is nearly total. It is tough to say if their music would stand alone if they weren't driven by the marketing force that they were, especially when their songwriting is as scattershot as it is.


Influence is a difficult measure when discussing pop music because pop music is, to a degree unlike anywhere else in music, directed by money and marketing. It is therefore very difficult to distinguish between a pop artist whose influences can be felt elsewhere because of their sales success and a pop artists whose influences can be felt elsewhere because of their ingenuity. I'm not convinced that it's possible to make that designation in the present and I would be surprised if it were ever truly possible to do so in the future.
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Wait so you think Kanye is a genius? :P
 
kurbaan said:
You are joking right?
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I've listened to a fair number of his songs. His flow is often pretty weak, which would not bother me to much if the words really delivered, but I've never heard any lyrics that indicated he had much to communicate to the world. As thoughtful rappers go, he's no Mos Def. CERTAINLY not among the great artists of all time, and the comparison to Beethoven is simply ridiculous.
 
FZZpure said:
Alright so I compiled a list of my personal favorites from Kanye's albums. This is by no means a definitive list, just songs that stand out to me and would probably help a lot of people understand the different types of music Kanye makes.

The College Dropout
All Falls Down
Spaceship
Jesus Walks
The New Workout Plan
Never Let Me Down

Late Registration
My Way Home
Crack Music
Roses
Hey Mama
Diamonds From Sierra Leone
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Oh God, yes.

Loved, loved, LOVED his first two albums.
 
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