EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"

Skeff said:
errrm, but the same game might be able to run at 1080p instead of 720p if it were on PS4.

the "It'll still have great looking games" is a silly argument, the PS3 and xb360 have great looking games too, but your upgrading to next gen, why not upgrade to the best looking games for cheaper?
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I'm buying a PS4 no doubt, but I'm sayinnn that the Xbox One will also deliver awesome graphics.

Yes, the fidelity may be slightly behind that of the PS4, but that's like saying a Bugatti Veyron is a better can than a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta because it has a higher top speed.

You're missing a lot of other factors if you are only concerned with graphics.
 
Skeff said:
Your right, and in the case you posted it is likely limited by the pixel fill rate, which is about 15% higher on the 680 compared to the 580.

It's not just the more Tflops, it's also the more TMU's and ROP's with huge Tex and pixel fill rate advantages that the PS4 has.
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Right, but I'm speaking Wii U vs Xbox One and the difference is massive compared to the difference between XBO and PS4 which are much closer, feature set wise, pipe wise and memory wise.
 
ArsenalRay said:
I'm buying a PS4 no doubt, but I'm sayinnn that the Xbox One will also deliver awesome graphics.

Yes, the fidelity may be slightly behind that of the PS4, but that's like saying a Bugatti Veyron is a better can than a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta because it has a higher top speed.

You're missing a lot of other factors if you are only concerned with graphics.
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Well, the excess power isn't just for graphics, so far we've seen it being used for:
Framerate
Graphics
Fluid Dynamics
Soft Body Dynamics
Dynamic lighting

and I expect to see it being used for more GPGPU such as AI and Physics.

@LittleJohnny

If we want to start posting PC GPU's at least let's stick with the 7850 and 7770, I'll start us off with this piece from AnandTech:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=549

As you seem interested in Crysis Warhead, this shows that one of the cards can run it at 35 fps and one can only run it at 20fps, at the same settings.

EDIT: it also shows that when the graphics are dropped for the 7770 to hit 30fps+ the 7850 is playing at 60fps+

EDIT2: nm bye bye Johnny
 
FeiRR said:
I meant that FLOPs are important for IQ, not so much for gameplay. But at the same time physical progress will be based a lot on GPU power so, yeah, I worded it badly, sorry.

I am a bit sceptical if DD can achieve such particle effects in 1080p@60 this early in the generation cycle. If so, I'll be nicely surprised.

And then ND and SMS shall come...
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Flops aren't just for iq. Flops are essentially what game will feature.

If your gpu won't be able to render 64 characters on screen there wouldn't be 64 players mode in bf.

Only ignorant people say that power =/= gameplay. Game developers create their design with power in mind.

There wouldn't be euphoria engine in GTA4 if hardware would be to weak.

There wasn't Skyrim for Wii because hardware didn't allow to run skyrim min req for engine.

Power is answer why in deep down casting whirlewind can protect you from fire.
 
LittleJohnny said:
Then reality sets in and a real game developer speaks out:
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You post this developer quote, but I don't think it says what you think it says.

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Or at least you highlighted the wrong part. Here, let me help you out:
- We are still in a process of adaptation and what I can say is what is not such a big difference in practice like that that is in the paper, but in the long term, when there are evolving the tools what we have and knowing better the Hardware, this difference will be able to increase, it depends on many factors that at this moment are not being written up.
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LittleJohnny said:
What's with these "circle of jerks" comments? who's talking dGPU? More than one dev has said the difference isn't as big as specs on paper will have you believe.

On paper the GTX 680 is 100% more powerful than the GTX 580, guess that means games will be 100% better or perform 100% better? Lets see:

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There's more than just teraflop figures.
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First of all, different architecture. Compare the 7770 with a 7850 if you want closer to the PS4 vs Xbox One comparison.

Secondly, comparing 1.6 Tflops with 3 Tflops is not the same as comparing 1.31 Tflops with 1.84 Tflops. The former whilst a bigger difference in performance, has a higher performance ceiling of diminishing returns. If you compared next gen games on the GTX 680 and GTX 580, there probably would be a greater difference.

Thirdly, Crysis Warhead is likely a particularly un-optmised game. But having said that, 20fps is un-playable, 30+fps is playable, so the difference you posted if anything highlights the advantages of the extra performance. A single digit fps difference can make the difference between playable and not.


Here's the same GPU's benchmarked with other games. Notice how in BF3, Bioshock Infinite etc, the differences are much greater. And these are still current gen games.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/767?vs=772

And now here's the same benchmarks for the 7770 vs the 7850. Notice much bigger differences between these two cards (that are much closer to their console counterparts), despite less of a performance difference with these two cards than between the GTX 680 and GTX 580. The latter as mentioned have higher diminishing returns ceilings.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/777?vs=778
 
LittleJohnny said:
Right, but I'm speaking Wii U vs Xbox One and the difference is massive compared to the difference between XBO and PS4 which are much closer, feature set wise, pipe wise and memory wise.
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In what fucking way besides the number 8?

The biggest handicap the XB1 has to deal with is it's cripplingly slow DDR3 memory.

It's stopping the XB1 being a potentially good system, because no matter how fast the bandwidth of the ESRam it still gets smoked by the GDDR5 in the PS4.

Here's a basic (and very, very simple analogy)

suppose the memory bandwidths are trucks..

The PS4 has a truck that can travel at 172 mph (I'm not using theoretical BW here just reported BW)

The XB1 has two trucks, one truck (called ESram) travels at 150 mph, the other truck (DDR3) just 68 mph

The PS4 depot is 2 miles away, the XB1 is also 2 miles away, but in between at the 1 mile mark theirs a hub.

The PS4 truck and the XB1 truck set off, the PS4 has to go 2 miles the XB1 (DDR3) just 1 mile before changing over to the ESRam truck for the last mile..

still with me?

at 172 mph the PS4 can do a mile in about 21 sec, the XB1 (DDR3) takes a little longer...52 seconds

The PS4 truck reaches the depot in 42 seconds, 10 seconds before the XB1 (DDR3) truck has even reached the first hub.

The ESram truck then takes 24 seconds to reach the depot, turn around and come back to the hub 24 seconds later, it then swaps back to the ESram truck which then takes 52 seconds to reach the start, a total trip time of about 154 seconds..

The PS4 truck covers the 4 mile round trip in 83 seconds, and by the time the DDR3 truck is back at the start the PS4 truck is already on it's way back from the depot for the second time, and is just over a mile behind the DDR3 truck on it's first run...

that's how slow the DDR3 memory is in the XB1, and in fact even if the speed of the ESRam truck was 1000 mph, it still wouldn't catch the PS4 truck because that shitty DDR3 truck fucks it up for them...

like I said very simple analogy, but i hope it highlights how choosing the slower memory for the XB1 crippled it from being a truly great bit of kit...(when compared to the PS4)
 
People do a count of how many people have been banned in this thread alone. What I think is more interesting how many people have been repeatedlty banned in this thread?

There has surely got to be a few true who fell and came back for more.
 
Primedoughnut said:
In what fucking way besides the number 8?

The biggest handicap the XB1 has to deal with is it's cripplingly slow DDR3 memory.

It's stopping the XB1 being a potentially good system, because no matter how fast the bandwidth of the ESRam it still gets smoked by the GDDR5 in the PS4.

Here's a basic (and very, very simple analogy)

suppose the memory bandwidths are trucks..

The PS4 has a truck that can travel at 172 mph (I'm not using theoretical BW here just reported BW)

The XB1 has two trucks, one truck (called ESram) travels at 150 mph, the other truck (DDR3) just 68 mph

The PS4 depot is 2 miles away, the XB1 is also 2 miles away, but in between at the 1 mile mark theirs a hub.

The PS4 truck and the XB1 truck set off, the PS4 has to go 2 miles the XB1 (DDR3) just 1 mile before changing over to the ESRam truck for the last mile..

still with me?

at 172 mph the PS4 can do a mile in about 21 sec, the XB1 (DDR3) takes a little longer...52 seconds

The PS4 truck reaches the depot in 42 seconds, 10 seconds before the XB1 (DDR3) truck has even reached the first hub.

The ESram truck then takes 24 seconds to reach the depot, turn around and come back to the hub 24 seconds later, it then swaps back to the ESram truck which then takes 52 seconds to reach the start, a total trip time of about 154 seconds..

The PS4 truck covers the 4 mile round trip in 83 seconds, and by the time the DDR3 truck is back at the start the PS4 truck is already on it's way back from the depot for the second time, and is just over a mile behind the DDR3 truck on it's first run...

that's how slow the DDR3 memory is in the XB1, and in fact even if the speed of the ESRam truck was 1000 mph, it still wouldn't catch the PS4 truck because that shitty DDR3 truck fucks it up for them...

like I said very simple analogy, but i hope it highlights how choosing the slower memory for the XB1 crippled it from being a truly great bit of kit...(when compared to the PS4)
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This analogy is simple but flawed. You made the assumption that esram would carry the 2 truck loads of stuff which is incorrect. The effective memory speed of the Xbox one is 68gb/s. Esram only holds 32mb of stuff. The analogy you should have used is ps4 being 2 trucks @ 172 and Xbox one being two trucks at 68gb/s and a car that is still slower that ps4's trucks.
 
Kysen said:
I think a lot of people are overestimating the power difference between the two consoles. In the grand scheme of things the only thing that will matter is the price and how well PSN functions compared to XBL.

I didn't realize just how important the network aspect was(I main play online on PC only) until I overheard a random conversation between 2 random dudes at work(neither look like the typical HC gamer).

The conversation basically boiled down to one of them saying he was getting a Xbone regardless because PSN was garbage. Party chat, store performance and downtime were the sticking points. No mention of better multiplat performance(last gen) or the recent E3 fumbles.

Right now the way I see it, PSN is the one big unknown that could potentially scupper Sony's tightly run ship so far. Sony can't afford to lose the UK again this gen.
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This is definitely a big issue among me and my friends (we're all on 360). We've just preferred the Xbox Live ecosystem much more than PSN so far. I don't think anyone could legitimately argue that the overall Xbox Live experience (minus price) ISN'T better overall than PSN from a performance and reliability perspective. I'm surprised Sony hasn't come out and really discussed how they plan to dramatically improve the PSN experience, since that really is the only obvious weakness they have compared to Microsoft's offering.

Tabular said:
Ya! Like those got damn devs saying PS4 has 50% better performance!
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I'm curious to know how many of the majority of gamers actually know about the "50% more GPU power" that is constantly discussed on hardcore forums like this? And of those people in the general population that have at least heard about it, how many have actually looked at the games, realized they didn't really SEE the difference, and came to the conclusion that they don't really care? I think the only way you really get the majority of gamers (minus the hardcore) to buy into a fact like that is if they can see, without doubt, the noticeable differences in GPU power that are described ad nauseum on forums like this.

And I'm not talking about a little boost in resolution, AA, or slightly more stable framerates. I mean like the difference between Wii U and the next-gen consoles. I think if the graphical differences aren't DRAMATIC, the years will go by, great games will be released for both, and the majority of gamers will look back and wonder why they gave two shits about any of these percentages in the first place.
 
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
I literally got told by a guy at work that the Xbox One is more powerful because it is more balanced. Also Dying Light is Xbox One exclusive and the PS4 isn't launching with very many games. Nobody he knows wants a PS4 so it isn't going to sell. Lol

I love how this stuff just evolves and twists over time.
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Microsoft getting to the stupid people.(no offense to ur friend)
Hopefully Digital Foundry puts an end to this on a few weeks.
 
avaya said:
People do a count of how many people have been banned in this thread alone. What I think is more interesting how many people have been repeatedlty banned in this thread?

There has surely got to be a few true who fell and came back for more.
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There have been.
 
This circlejerk thread is still going?

Microsoft fanboys (I am one myself) just stop. PS4 is more powerful. There is no arguing your way around this. The Cloud is not going to change this.

Playstation fanboys. PS4 games are not going to look 100 times better than XB1 games.

Both consoles will have great looking games. Both consoles will have advantages and disadvantages.

Games may look better on the PS4 but they are not going to look terrible on XB1.

Some people will prefer one controller over the other. Neither will suck

The new Kinect could end being a game changer if the right dev figures out a way to use it in a way never thought of before. Or it may end up being pretty useless like the current version.

Most people prefer the launch games on the system they are most interested in. Neither lineup is stellar.

PSN+ could end up being as great as XBL, or it may end up lacking like it's current iteration.

Some people (like myself) are willing to fork over the extra $100 for the potential of the new kinect, the preferred stick layout of the controller, and the great online experience that MS has proven in the past. For me, these things currently outweigh better graphics because I play mostly online. However, that could change down the road depending on exclusives and how well PSN+ ends up working.

Sony has proven to have better first party games, and there is no question that the PS4 will have better graphics. So I completely understand why people want a PS4.

A little about myself. I have never owned a Playstation console though I have played them over the years. Sony makes a good game system there is no doubt about it. I was a PC/Nintendo gamer up until the Xbox 360. I stopped being a PC gamer because of the cost of upgrades and Nintendo because the games didn't interest me as much as they did when I was younger.
 
If my niece who hardly plays games is aware of the 360>ps3 multiplats narrative, then I'm convinced a lot people will learn about the difference again.
 
LittleJohnny said:
What's with these "circle of jerks" comments? who's talking dGPU? More than one dev has said the difference isn't as big as specs on paper will have you believe.

On paper the GTX 680 is 100% more powerful than the GTX 580, guess that means games will be 100% better or perform 100% better? Lets see:

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There's more than just teraflop figures.
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Yeah there's things like ease of developement and memory bandwidth

stryke said:
If my niece who hardly plays games is aware of the 360>ps3 multiplats narrative, then I'm convinced a lot people will learn about the difference again.
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My sister is a working mother who is currently debating buying the new kindle or waiting for the new iPad. Last night while talking to her about my excitement for next gen she told me "isn't Nintendo going away and I heard the ps4 is better than the xbox". There you have it. Don't tell me the outside world is completely oblivious to what's going on.
 
BigJoeGrizzly said:
This is definitely a big issue among me and my friends (we're all on 360). We've just preferred the Xbox Live ecosystem much more than PSN so far. I don't think anyone could legitimately argue that the overall Xbox Live experience (minus price) ISN'T better overall than PSN from a performance and reliability perspective. I'm surprised Sony hasn't come out and really discussed how they plan to dramatically improve the PSN experience, since that really is the only obvious weakness they have compared to Microsoft's offering.



I'm curious to know how many of the majority of gamers actually know about the "50% more GPU power" that is constantly discussed on hardcore forums like this? And of those people in the general population that have at least heard about it, how many have actually looked at the games, realized they didn't really SEE the difference, and came to the conclusion that they don't really care? I think the only way you really get the majority of gamers (minus the hardcore) to buy into a fact like that is if they can see, without doubt, the noticeable differences in GPU power that are described ad nauseum on forums like this.

And I'm not talking about a little boost in resolution, AA, or slightly more stable framerates. I mean like the difference between Wii U and the next-gen consoles. I think if the graphical differences aren't DRAMATIC, the years will go by, great games will be released for both, and the majority of gamers will look back and wonder why they gave two shits about any of these percentages in the first place.
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What are you concerned about? Functions or performance? Sony are adding cross game chat on Ps4, I'm not sure what else 360 did that wasn't on PS3?

Vita is a good measure of the kinds of things you might expect from PS4. Instant suspend/resume, use other apps while your game is suspended, cross game chat, friends activity of each games' home screen etc.
 
Skeff said:
errrm, but the same game might be able to run at 1080p instead of 720p if it were on PS4.

the "It'll still have great looking games" is a silly argument, the PS3 and xb360 have great looking games too, but your upgrading to next gen, why not upgrade to the best looking games for cheaper?
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Exclusives, probably.
 
Primedoughnut said:
In what fucking way besides the number 8?

The biggest handicap the XB1 has to deal with is it's cripplingly slow DDR3 memory.

It's stopping the XB1 being a potentially good system, because no matter how fast the bandwidth of the ESRam it still gets smoked by the GDDR5 in the PS4.

Here's a basic (and very, very simple analogy)

suppose the memory bandwidths are trucks..

The PS4 has a truck that can travel at 172 mph (I'm not using theoretical BW here just reported BW)

The XB1 has two trucks, one truck (called ESram) travels at 150 mph, the other truck (DDR3) just 68 mph

The PS4 depot is 2 miles away, the XB1 is also 2 miles away, but in between at the 1 mile mark theirs a hub.

The PS4 truck and the XB1 truck set off, the PS4 has to go 2 miles the XB1 (DDR3) just 1 mile before changing over to the ESRam truck for the last mile..

still with me?

at 172 mph the PS4 can do a mile in about 21 sec, the XB1 (DDR3) takes a little longer...52 seconds

The PS4 truck reaches the depot in 42 seconds, 10 seconds before the XB1 (DDR3) truck has even reached the first hub.

The ESram truck then takes 24 seconds to reach the depot, turn around and come back to the hub 24 seconds later, it then swaps back to the ESram truck which then takes 52 seconds to reach the start, a total trip time of about 154 seconds..

The PS4 truck covers the 4 mile round trip in 83 seconds, and by the time the DDR3 truck is back at the start the PS4 truck is already on it's way back from the depot for the second time, and is just over a mile behind the DDR3 truck on it's first run...

that's how slow the DDR3 memory is in the XB1, and in fact even if the speed of the ESRam truck was 1000 mph, it still wouldn't catch the PS4 truck because that shitty DDR3 truck fucks it up for them...

like I said very simple analogy, but i hope it highlights how choosing the slower memory for the XB1 crippled it from being a truly great bit of kit...(when compared to the PS4)
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To put this in pictures...

PS4:

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Xbone:

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Ok?
 
mcmilliron said:
This circlejerk thread is still going?

Microsoft fanboys (I am one myself) just stop. PS4 is more powerful. There is no arguing your way around this. The Cloud is not going to change this.

Playstation fanboys. PS4 games are not going to look 100 times better than XB1 games.

Both consoles will have great looking games. Both consoles will have advantages and disadvantages.

Games may look better on the PS4 but they are not going to look terrible on XB1.

Some people will prefer one controller over the other. Neither will suck

The new Kinect could end being a game changer if the right dev figures out a way to use it in a way never thought of before. Or it may end up being pretty useless like the current version.

Most people prefer the launch games on the system they are most interested in. Neither lineup is stellar.

PSN+ could end up being as great as XBL, or it may end up lacking like it's current iteration.

Some people (like myself) are willing to fork over the extra $100 for the potential of the new kinect, the preferred stick layout of the controller, and the great online experience that MS has proven in the past. For me, these things currently outweigh better graphics because I play mostly online. However, that could change down the road depending on exclusives and how well PSN+ ends up working.

Sony has proven to have better first party games, and there is no question that the PS4 will have better graphics. So I completely understand why people want a PS4.

A little about myself. I have never owned a Playstation console though I have played them over the years. Sony makes a good game system there is no doubt about it. I was a PC/Nintendo gamer up until the Xbox 360. I stopped being a PC gamer because of the cost of upgrades and Nintendo because the games didn't interest me as much as they did when I was younger.
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Thread whining? Thread whining.

Specs thread. Most of that stuff doesn't apply/matter here, man.
 
Thread whining? Thread whining.

Specs thread. Most of that stuff doesn't apply/matter here, man.
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I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
 
Pain said:
Microsoft getting to the stupid people.(no offense to ur friend)
Hopefully Digital Foundry puts an end to this on a few weeks.
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I told him the truth and even mentioned I had Dying Light paid off for my PS4 but he called me a fanboy. Lol I've decided not to discuss games with him.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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Let it go. Ignore the thread before you get too worked up.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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This is a specs thread; a thread where specs are discussed.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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You know with the circle jerk and dick stroking, you're not going to last long here, you need to treat other posters with at least a modicum of respect.

If you would like to speak about games, I suggest you look at one of the other 220,000 threads, rather than a hardware specs/performance thread.
 
I'm so mad right now that you guys are discussing the theoretical differences between the PS4 and Xbox One performance when this thread is about the real differences between the PS4 and Xbox One performance.

SO MAD!
 
mcmilliron said:
This circlejerk thread is still going?

Microsoft fanboys (I am one myself) just stop. PS4 is more powerful. There is no arguing your way around this. The Cloud is not going to change this.

Playstation fanboys. PS4 games are not going to look 100 times better than XB1 games.

Both consoles will have great looking games. Both consoles will have advantages and disadvantages.

Games may look better on the PS4 but they are not going to look terrible on XB1.

Some people will prefer one controller over the other. Neither will suck

The new Kinect could end being a game changer if the right dev figures out a way to use it in a way never thought of before. Or it may end up being pretty useless like the current version.

Most people prefer the launch games on the system they are most interested in. Neither lineup is stellar.

PSN+ could end up being as great as XBL, or it may end up lacking like it's current iteration.

Some people (like myself) are willing to fork over the extra $100 for the potential of the new kinect, the preferred stick layout of the controller, and the great online experience that MS has proven in the past. For me, these things currently outweigh better graphics because I play mostly online. However, that could change down the road depending on exclusives and how well PSN+ ends up working.

Sony has proven to have better first party games, and there is no question that the PS4 will have better graphics. So I completely understand why people want a PS4.

A little about myself. I have never owned a Playstation console though I have played them over the years. Sony makes a good game system there is no doubt about it. I was a PC/Nintendo gamer up until the Xbox 360. I stopped being a PC gamer because of the cost of upgrades and Nintendo because the games didn't interest me as much as they did when I was younger.
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Are you done? This is a thread about performance, please spare both sides the soap box speech.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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This thread is about specs. Other threads are about games. Talk about games in those other threads. You aren't bringing rationality, you are shitting up the thread with garbage, worthless posts that belong elsewhere. This reply is probably equally worthless, because with responses like those I don't expect you'll be here long. For the remaining time you have here, ignore these threads and focus on the ones that interest you. I don't know why this needs to be repeated every 10 pages.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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You won't last long with post like this.
 
I have a question, from what I understand even if the internal 3D rendering resolution of something like Killer Instinct might be 720p, can't the UI layer be native 1080p so when the two are combined for eventual final output we can expect razor sharp native 1080p UI elements alongside the upscaled characters? Is that how devs are doing this for next-gen?

Because it would suck to literally have the entire picture be upscaled from 720p. I think it would be easier to swallow these downgrades if at least the UI layers remain pixel perfect 1080p from creation to final output.
 
I apologize for the dick stroking comments. It was out of line. Calling me a whiner is not the most respectful either.

This thread will be more relevant when the consoles have been released and true comparisons can be made.
 
mcmilliron said:
I'm not whining. I was just hoping that when I joined this site it would be a community who cares about games more than stroking each others dicks. Obviously I was dreaming. The specs have been out for quite some time now. The only reason this thread is still going is because people are more interested in having the better console than talking about what's more important, games.

I was hoping to bring a little rationality to the thread but apparently I was dreaming again. By all means, continue stroking each others dicks. Don't let a little rationality get in your way.
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Whoa whoa! Cut it out man. Relax. There are enough topics on Gaf that I'm sure would interest you. No need to spew such hateful words.


mcmilliron said:
I apologize for the dick stroking comments. It was out of line. Calling me a whiner is not the most respectful either.

This thread will be more relevant when the consoles have been released and true comparisons can be made.
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Now that's better.
 
mcmilliron said:
I apologize for the dick stroking comments. It was out of line. Calling me a whiner is not the most respectful either.

This thread will be more relevant when the consoles have been released and true comparisons can be made.
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While that's true, there are genuine enthusiasts who love discussing theoreticals with the numbers given, which the majority of this thread is about.
 
LittleJohnny said:
What's with these "circle of jerks" comments? who's talking dGPU? More than one dev has said the difference isn't as big as specs on paper will have you believe.

On paper the GTX 680 is 100% more powerful than the GTX 580, guess that means games will be 100% better or perform 100% better? Lets see:

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There's more than just teraflop figures.
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You're absolutely correct. There is more than just teraflop figures.

XBO: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
XBO: 768 Shaders
XBO: 48 Texture units
XBO: 16 ROPS
XBO: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

This is a decisive advantage for the PS4. I expect this difference to become readily apparent later down the line.
 
Fair Witness said:
I have a question, from what I understand even if the internal 3D rendering resolution of something like Killer Instinct might be 720p, can't the UI layer be native 1080p so when the two are combined for eventual final output we can expect razor sharp native 1080p UI elements alongside the upscaled characters? Is that how devs are doing this for next-gen?

Because it would suck to literally have the entire picture be upscaled from 720p. I think it would be easier to swallow these downgrades if at least the UI layers remain pixel perfect 1080p from creation to final output.
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That's one of the things different display planes are most useful for. Both Xbox One, PS4 and even PSVita can do this, afaik.
 
velociraptor said:
You're absolutely correct. There is more than just teraflop figures.

Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +400%

This is a decisive advantage for the PS4. I expect this difference to become readily apparent later down the line.
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Did you realize you are flogging a dead horse? :)

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