HORRORSHØW
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Fantastic news. The thought of purchasing an Xbox One is becoming more and more palatable; hopefully they'll have a Titanfall bundle somewhere down the line.
Gamesindustry: Xbox Live Compute (Cloud Servers) offered free to devs
- Thread starter Tripp Daily
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I hear that. They still haven't thrown in a free game for the US launch. They're not panicked enough yet.
Yeah at $500 it's not appealing enough, especially with the PS4 being better on most other fronts. However they have my attention. Good times.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Show me a game that runs with dedicated servers on X1 and with P2P on PS4. Right, you can't. Because every game will very likely have dedicated servers on both platforms. I already wrote why this is nonsense from a developement perspective.
yankeehater
Member
Killzone is somewhere in-between, they have servers for routing information, but the game is still hosted by one of the players.
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/09/27/killzone-shadow-fall-multiplayer-your-questions-answered/
edit. Wow, late.
Damn that is disappointing. I really thought that KZ:SF of all games would have dedicated servers. Hopefully the mp runs great since that is the 1 game I am buying at launch for the PS4.
No thanks.
We're sorry. But due to load dependencies we have removed cloud computing for game A. We have offloaded those resources to game A: The Sequel. Press any button to purchase game A: The Sequel.
No thanks. Cloud computing is a version of soft-DRM. Multiplayer is multiplayer so server shutdowns come with the territory. If we talk SP games here then fuck right the shit off. Work that shit on my box so I'm not tied to an internet connection.
It's DRM. Plain and simple. No shit technology moves fast, MS. Don't expect your (or Sony's) box to last 8 years again. Make a box without fluff that gets a new release every 4 years max. Make it easy to develop for. Make it backwards compatible with not just games, but peripherals like Kinect, wheels, etc. Make it at an easy price point. If Apple can do it every few months with a new phone/pad (same goes for Google) then you and Sony can, too.
Tripp Daily
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Grimløck;86164843 said:
You know they will. It further cements Xbox and Titanfall as being hand in hand and making it the console of choice to play that game just like they do with marketing for COD.
iamshadowlark
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Why not? Facts not allowed?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Gemüsepizza;86165080 said:
This could happen for self-published indie titles I bet.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Well there is no specs for Sony is there? They don't have anything.
Azure specs are known I'm sure though maybe not the upgraded thunderhead part reserved for XB1.
Remember this isn't about XBL vs PSN, this is Xbox Live Compute vs Nothing.
Why would it equals more sales?
If that was the case then publishers wouldn't be quite so happy to give exclusive maps, skins , characters or story to one particular version of a game.
Depends on your distance to the server, I can get 10ms to London servers right now on CS GO and I've seen Swedes with 5-9ms on Stockholm servers.
I would have thought after the reveal COD Ghosts had dedicated servers on both platforms, people had given up on the theory such things are exclusive to one platform.
Even Driveclub has dedicated servers, it's a service all technology companies are investing in, gaming is just one aspect of this. Sony themselves have recently done a deal with Rackspace to increase capacity, it's needed for Gaikai, movie & music streaming etc., as well as more mundane things.
Even Driveclub has dedicated servers, it's a service all technology companies are investing in, gaming is just one aspect of this. Sony themselves have recently done a deal with Rackspace to increase capacity, it's needed for Gaikai, movie & music streaming etc., as well as more mundane things.
Garrett 2U
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That's not how it works with a cloud setup.
The resources are allocated dynamically.
It doesn't matter what the service is, a certain amount of resources are allocated and guaranteed to every player.
Opus Angelorum
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Gemüsepizza;86165080 said:
Incredible.
Microsoft: "We will have dedicated severs for every Xbox One game"
Response: "But there must be a catch! It's too good to be true."
Sony: No official comment concerning dedicated servers for all PS4 games.
Response: "Of course they will, it's Sony!"
Sure, go find me a multiplayer game that runs better without dedicated servers.
What? These are completely different things. MS can't do anything about Xbone's specs anymore. Sony can still do something about lack of dedicated servers.
Colbert
Banned
Much truth in that statement!
Mugatu
Member
Right, we don't know but you said it was clear that Xbox will be better. That was my point. We don't know.
The hardware specs of the consoles themselves are pretty well known and that is what the conclusion that the PS4 is more powerful was based on.
Both might be wrong but I'm just saying, it's not the same like you said.
So you are suggesting P2P is better than dedicated servers now?
Holy shit.
Hahahahahahahahaha
What? 10ms for LAN?
What kind of shit LAN do you use?
Gemüsepizza
Member
Bwahaha right, just mention an arbitrary number. It is just common sense. We know it from CoD and BF4. No developer will develop two different network systems for their games if they can avoid it. It costs money to develop two different systems. It costs money to maintain them. It will cost additional money everytime you want to update the system. It is an additional source for errors. This is just nonsense. It won't happen.
Doesn't really matter how you slice it. Either way it translates to "You must have an internet connection to play this game". Not the future I really want.
Albert just posted this in another thread. Should probably be in the OP too.:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=86164933
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=86164933
iamshadowlark
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You seem to be deep in the realm of guessing. Unless you have a source?
Gemüsepizza;86166118 said:
You sounded so sure of yourself and your "facts". I assumed you had the whitneyhoustonshowmethereceipts.gif.
Are you questioning how Azure works? Because he's right. That's how Azure works.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Was just about to post this. It's officially official now. lol
Colbert
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Because?
Oh cool... so the cloud isn't finite, it's... INFINITE?
Did you even read the part where I said it is soft-DRM? That has nothing to do with allocation and everything to do with MS flipping a switch when they want you to buy the NEXT game they want you to buy.
Games as a service. Cloud computing.
Ahem... D-R-M ?
Opus Angelorum
Member
Really? Said the guy who thinks it's 'likely' all Sony games will have dedicated servers.
Pot, meet kettle.
Mugatu
Member
Sounds great, I'm just so weary of half truths (not specifically directed at Penello but definitely at MS) that I find myself instantly looking for some technicality or wordplay that indicates something different than the obvious thing they are saying.
Gemüsepizza
Member
What the fuck are you even talking about. First, I did not say this. I said this is not as big as some people her say it is ("game changer"), because third party devs will have dedicated servers on both platforms.
Again, this has nothing to do with Sony but with EA, Activision etc.
I never said anything like that. This was never up for debate.
GarthVaderUK
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Opus Angelorum
Member
Gemüsepizza;86166556 said:
Source?
statham
Member
That was very clear.
iamshadowlark
Banned
I'm suggesting that the myth of dedicated servers being an end all be all of online gaming performance is just that.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
The PS4 is out what a month today. Sony has nothing. They may have in the future but they have never even hinted at anything other than streaming.
They are practically incapable of matching MS in this area.
Loads of games have
"dedicated servers"
As a gamer it depends on what the dedicated servers are being used for.
Personally I don't really care if Driveclub has servers dedicated to dealing with community posts, photo/video uploads and leaderboards.
Dedicated servers for users to race on is an entirely different Kettle of fish and this has not been confirmed.
Dedicated servers are becoming this gen's "1080p", being thrown around during interviews when in reality it can mean one of like 5 different things, only 1 of which is of real benefit to people playing online.
Yikes! Gaf has some rough edges but surely you jest.
Mugatu
Member
Sony has nothing? You mean Sony has said nothing.
And again, what are you basing this on? Practically incapable of matching what? You don't know what either of them will do.
NullPointer
Member
Seriously.
MS, just remove the Gold paywall for apps like IE/Netflix etc and I'll gladly pick up a bone in the spring.
dedicated servers aren't perfect but they're still miles better than p2p.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Please enlighten all of use of a superior alternative to dedicated servers for online gaming.
Indeed it was. I wonder if indie developers will be offered the same free resources. I can't image Microsoft not giving indies free dedicated servers.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Huh??