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[Glorified G]

Endgame :

If the house doesn't pass it and the US goes into default we will begin to see the end of the tea party having any kind of influence in politics again. At most they'll evolve into an obnoxious third party that no one pays attention to.

 

[Riki]

That would just be the budget though, right? They still need to do something about the debt limit.

Presumably, this would be for both.

 

[davepoobond]

If the house doesn't pass it and the US goes into default we will begin to see the end of the tea party having any kind of influence in politics again. At most they'll evolve into an obnoxious third party that no one pays attention to.

Hopefully they'll do that anyway once they are disappointed that boner conceded

 

[Fenderputty]

Endgame :

Heh. The imploding GOP.

 

[Riki]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 3m

per sources, options for the House GOP are limited: accept what Reid-McConnell broker, or at last minute try for a short DL ext

Ha. Damn right they're limited. They're zero.

 

[Drkirby]

Presumably, this would be for both.

Well the debt limit raise had to be a Bill by itself, per an amendments to the house rules at the start of this session.

 

[kess]

Endgame :

No way this passes in the House with GOP votes. One way or another, the Hastert rule is going down.

 

[maquiladora]

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Jonathan Strong ‏@j_strong

"It's all over. We'll take Senate deal." -GOP aide

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Some Boehner finally blinked, eh?

That would just be the budget though, right? They still need to do something about the debt limit.

This would cover both.

A Continuing Resolution to begin refunding the government for some fixed amount of time and an authorization to raise the debt ceiling.

 

[TacticalFox88]

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What a roller coaster ride this has been.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

If the house doesn't pass it and the US goes into default we will begin to see the end of the tea party having any kind of influence in politics again. At most they'll evolve into an obnoxious third party that no one pays attention to.

It'll happen anyway. Or if it doesn't from this, it never will. Either way this whole debacle is the GOP chickens coming home to roost.

 

[Mr. E. Yis]

"It's all over. We'll take Senate deal." -GOP aide

Is there enough votes in the House for this?

 

[NullPointer]

 

[commedieu]

wait am I late here, but did they cancel the vote on their bill again? Or is google news refreshing the same story over and over.

 

[7he Talon]

So, wait... what's happening?

 

[maquiladora]

No way this passes in the House with GOP votes. One way or another, the Hastert rule is going down.

It will pass no problem. All Dems + non Tea Party GOP.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

"It's all over. We'll take Senate deal." -GOP aide

Is there enough votes in the House for this?

They only need about 40 Republicans out of 224 who don't want the world to end.

So, you know, it'll be close.

 

[DrEvil]

Is it possible that the GOP could play cat and mouse and do like 48 hour extensions, just barely avoiding default but still dangling the threat as a carrot?

 

[commedieu]

So, wait... what's happening?

House GOP Pulls Budget Vote
And the saga continues. House Republicans canceled a vote on legislation that would reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling on Tuesday night, while the House Rules Committee postponed a hearing for the bill.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2013/10/15/house-gop-pulls-budget-vote.html

 

[Wallach]

"It's all over. We'll take Senate deal." -GOP aide

Is there enough votes in the House for this?

There was when the Senate initially sent it to the House, and given the state of things, I can't imagine there aren't still at least that many.

 

[Riki]

So, wait... what's happening?

This all might be over and the GOP gets basically nothing for it.

 

[Chanser]

http://www.channel4.com/news/us-shutdown-no-compromise-from-tea-party

I thought to myself, they must be insane.

 

[PhoenixDark]

They only need about 40 Republicans out of 224 who don't want the world to end.

So, you know, it'll be close.

They only need 17 republicans.

 

[e_i]

No way this passes in the House with GOP votes. One way or another, the Hastert rule is going down.

Except the Hastert rule never existed.

 

[methane47]

This all might be over and the GOP gets basically nothing for it.

And by get "nothing" you mean... get all the budget cuts they've wanted for the past few years and then some?

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

They only need 17 republicans.

Whoops! Yeah what the hell was I looking at.

 

[commedieu]

http://www.channel4.com/news/us-shutdown-no-compromise-from-tea-party

I thought to myself, they must be insane.

you owe me a fucking monitor.

...erm..it was a oled one... 4.k....

It turns my stomach.

 

[Drkirby]

And by get "nothing" you mean... get all the budget cuts they've wanted for the past few years and then some?

What budget cuts are they? Just what is in this 'clean' Senate bill? Could someone link the text?

 

[kess]

Except the Hastert rule never existed.

Exactly. Which means we had a government shutdown over basically nothing.

 

[Mr. E. Yis]

There's going to be some major meltdowns at the House vote.

 

[helloresolven]

Except the Hastert rule never existed.

Okay, then it is Boehner's Rule.

 

[Ether_Snake]

If the house doesn't pass it and the US goes into default we will begin to see the end of the tea party having any kind of influence in politics again. At most they'll evolve into an obnoxious third party that no one pays attention to.

How so? It will embolden them.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

And by get "nothing" you mean... get all the budget cuts they've wanted for the past few years and then some?

If I understand the proposed Senate bill right, Dems will be able to modify those cuts before January. We're still in a ridiculous and damaging period of budget austerity, but changing the sequester is actually a better outcome than my best-case scenario when this nonsense started.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

How so? It will embolden them.

It doesn't matter if it "emboldens" them if everyone is too pissed off to vote for them. The only way the Tea Party really "wins" here is if they managed to extort some of the concessions they wanted in a CR bill.

 

[jamesinclair]

They only need 17 republicans.

20

You can assume 3 dumbass dems will vote no

 

[PhoenixDark]

20

You can assume 3 dumbass dems will vote no

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

Uh...lol

 

[smokeandmirrors]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

A challenger appears.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

 

[commedieu]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

how does one even respond...

 

[Riki]

how does one even respond...

Easy: "Who's dick are we talking about?"

 

[Glorified G]

Rep. King went hard against Sen. Cruz. "He's a false prophet. He's a phony" lol

 

[Wallach]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

Sounds like it's time to prove you're not a pussy, jamesinclair.

 

[empty vessel]

And by get "nothing" you mean... get all the budget cuts they've wanted for the past few years and then some?

Yep. The GOP wins even when it loses. The GOP has by far been more successful at achieving its policy objectives than Democrats. If Democrats consider sequestration a win, they are stupid. And to get rid of it, they have to hurt Americans by reducing social security and medicare benefits. As far as I can tell, the GOP is doing extremely well. Whether it will cost them politically in the future is a different matter, but, for now, they are undoubtedly winning.

 

[Thatonemoor]

Something my friend on facebook posted. Enjoy the brain hurt.

 

[Riki]

Yep. The GOP wins even when it loses. The GOP has by far been more successful at achieving its policy objectives than Democrats. If Democrats consider sequestration a win, they are stupid. And to get rid of it, they have to hurt Americans by reducing social security and medicare benefits. As far as I can tell, the GOP is doing extremely well. Whether it will cost them politically in the future is a different matter, but, for now, they are undoubtedly winning.

A case of being way too greedy.

 

[jamesinclair]

I'll bet you dick pics that all House democrats vote for the senate bill.

I preferred ban bets :/

 

[mclem]

Red next to black is a friend of Jack, red next to yellow can kill a fellow.

Alas, poor Ulysses.

 

[Dan]

There is no moderate republicans left. It's either establishment republicans or tea partiers.

I would settle for establishment Republicans reclaiming their party.

And no, there's no way to remove the crazy tea partiers because of this little tidbit:


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115189/gop-cant-survive-without-tea-party

Holy shit, yowza. We're fucked.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

It doesn't matter if it "emboldens" them if everyone is too pissed off to vote for them. The only way the Tea Party really "wins" here is if they managed to extort some of the concessions they wanted in a CR bill.

Or gerrymander their way. Into office again