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[ShinobiFist]

Brady and Manning have also had the rules tailored to offenses, something Montana didn't benefit from

This was legal back in 1989, yet players are getting fined for hits like this (if Whitner doesn't hit him, that's a TD).

Montana also played in an era where touching the QB wasn't a penalty, unlike today, where if a defensive player looks at or breathes on Brady wrong, its a penalty.

Yet, players back then didn't have the size and speed from today's athlete. Look at Lynch and Lott. Lynch was 215 or 220 when he played with the Bucs in the 90's and Lott was 195-205lbs when he played for the 49ers in the 80's. That extra mass of muscle with speed can be brutal. Brian Dawkins and John Lynch won't be that effective in today's NFL.

 

[johnny_park]

Yet, players back then didn't have the size and speed from today's athlete. Look at Lynch and Lott. Lynch was 215 or 220 when he played with the Bucs in the 90's and Lott was 195-205lbs when he played for the 49ers in the 80's. That extra mass of muscle with speed can be brutal. Brian Dawkins and John Lynch won't be that effective in today's NFL.

This is just crazy talk. You're telling me two all-pro safeties couldn't adapt to the way the game is played today?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

This is just crazy talk. You're telling me two all-pro safeties couldn't adapt to the way the game is played today?

They would adapt, by using the new age PEDs todays players use instead of the shit they had back then and be bigger, stronger and faster.

 

[TemplaerDude]

Man, fuck peyton.

 

[WarMacheen]

Came in for this, GOAT

 

[Subitai]

Man, fuck peyton.

salt?

Brady has rings and the wife...

 

[TemplaerDude]

salt?

Brady has rings and the wife...

No salt, dawg, just sayin'

 

[daemissary]

Peyton is the greatest ever and it isn't even really close. For proof, all you need to do is look at what happened to the Colts the year Manning was out. 10-6 to 2-14 when he was the the only major change on the roster.

Pats lose Brady for a full year and they still went 11-5.

 

[timetokill]

That's because Brady is a system QB

 

[M3z_]

I'm not going to say Brady is the best, although he is definitely in the upper echelon, but the guy has had a ridiculous amount of different WRs/TEs/RBs/FBs. The guy is incredible, quit trying to discredit the man, he's one of the best QBs you are likely to see in your lifetime like it or not.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Roughing the passer still existed back then.

It wasn't called the same way as it is now though. I don't think the whole "blow to the head" thing existed yet, and neither was the hitting too low thing - that one's referred to as the Brady Rule for a reason.

Yet, players back then didn't have the size and speed from today's athlete. Look at Lynch and Lott. Lynch was 215 or 220 when he played with the Bucs in the 90's and Lott was 195-205lbs when he played for the 49ers in the 80's. That extra mass of muscle with speed can be brutal. Brian Dawkins and John Lynch won't be that effective in today's NFL.

You do know that Lott primarily played cornerback in his first 5 seasons before moving to free safety right? And he was still known as a hitter as a CB.

 

[BadAss2961]

I'm not going to say Brady is the best, although he is definitely in the upper echelon, but the guy has had a ridiculous amount of different WRs/TEs/RBs/FBs. The guy is incredible, quit trying to discredit the man, he's one of the best QBs you are likely to see in your lifetime like it or not.

The Patriots are just a good fucking team. Belichick, I guess. It really doesn't matter who they have out there -- that includes Brady.

The '08 season backs up this claim... Matt Cassel, a total scrub that hadn't started a game since high school led that team to 11 wins that year and had some monster games. Got a big contract off it and flopped immediately... Take out any other team's star QB for the year and I guarantee you they'll have a miserable season.

The Colts flirted with 0-16 when Peyton was out.

 

[Sephzilla]

The Colts flirted with 0-16 when Peyton was out.

And then Peyton returned and couldn't take the Broncos further in the playoffs then Tim Tebow did.

To be fair, you're talking regular season and I'm talking postseason. Regular Season Manning and Post Season Manning seem to be two different people, at the very least in terms of win/loss records and what not.

 

[BadAss2961]

And then Peyton returned and couldn't take the Broncos further in the playoffs then Tim Tebow did.

To be fair, you're talking regular season and I'm talking postseason. Regular Season Manning and Post Season Manning are two different people.

Chalk it up to the Ray Lewis magic playoff run. It just wasn't going to be denied.

Without an inexplicably botched piece of coverage, Denver wins that game.

 

[Sephzilla]

Chalk it up to the Ray Lewis magic playoff run. It just wasn't going to be denied.

Without an inexplicably botched piece of coverage, Denver wins that game.

I guess that was karma for Denver beating the Steelers the year before

 

[G-Unit]

Montana, lol at people thinking payton or brady

 

[vas_a_morir]

Montana, lol at people thinking payton or brady

You can't seriously watch video of Manning and Montana and tell me Montana was better. You can't.

Same with MJ and Lebron. MJ looks like slo-mo compared to Lebron.

 

[Godslay]

And then Peyton returned and couldn't take the Broncos further in the playoffs then Tim Tebow did.

To be fair, you're talking regular season and I'm talking postseason. Regular Season Manning and Post Season Manning seem to be two different people, at the very least in terms of win/loss records and what not.

How did I miss this thread? Guess I should venture out of the fort from time to time.

 

[Sephzilla]

You can't seriously watch video of Manning and Montana and tell me Montana was better. You can't.

Same with MJ and Lebron. MJ looks like slo-mo compared to Lebron.

Because MJ's lugging around all those rings.

 

[Spinluck]

And then Peyton returned and couldn't take the Broncos further in the playoffs then Tim Tebow did.

To be fair, you're talking regular season and I'm talking postseason. Regular Season Manning and Post Season Manning seem to be two different people, at the very least in terms of win/loss records and what not.

I never get this argument.

It completely ignores the fact they played completely different teams. We don't know how Tebow would've fared against the Ravens last year during their Giants-esque miracle run.

EDIT: I don't really care too much about the argument. I do like seeing the varying opinions on who people think the GOAT is. But some of the arguments made are pretty dumb.

 

[Godslay]

The Packers lost that first Super Bowl more than the Broncos won it. The second win was legit though against a lucky as hell Falcons squad that had no business being in the SB. I don't even know if ATL gets past their first playoff game against SF if Hearst didn't get injured early on in that game.

When is the last time you watched this game?

Favre had a pick (as did Elway, GB 3 TO/DEN 2 TO), but the Broncos out played them. They ground down Gilbert Brown, TD put on a goddamn clinic, and Elway willed them to the win. Not to mention Atwater blowing up not only a Packer WR, but his own teammate . It was hardly the Packers giving away the game, Denver made the plays when necessary.

There was no stopping the team the second year though. We would have beat the Vikings ass too if they would have choked.

I never get this argument.

It completely ignores the fact they played completely different teams. We don't know how Tebow would've fared against the Ravens last year during their Giants-esque miracle run.

As much as I love Tebow, the Ravens defense is too disciplined (or was at least), to let Timmy get passed them. It would have been a slaughter imo. Same thing that happened when we played the Pats. They played disciplined, and contained the offense.

 

[Sephzilla]

I never get this argument.

It completely ignores the fact they played completely different teams. We don't know how Tebow would've fared against the Ravens last year during their Giants-esque miracle run.

It's a completely unfair argument, I just threw it out there for a few kicks mostly.

The Ravens were a better team than the Steelers that Tebow faced. Though you could also make a case that Peyton's Broncos were much better than Tebow's. Whatever. Sports!

When is the last time you watched this game?

Favre had a pick (as did Elway, GB 3 TO/DEN 2 TO), but the Broncos out played them. They ground down Gilbert Brown, TD put on a goddamn clinic, and Elway willed them to the win. Not to mention Atwater blowing up not only a Packer WR, but his own team. It was hardly the Packers giving away the game, Denver made the plays when necessary.

There was no stopping the team the second year though. We would have beat the Vikings ass too if they would have choked.

Green Bay went into that game way too overconfident. They should have mopped the floor with the Broncos but instead they got cocky and everyone made mistakes a Super Bowl team shouldn't make.

 

[Spinluck]

As much as I love Tebow, the Ravens defense is too disciplined (or was at least), to let Timmy get passed them. It would have been a slaughter imo. Same thing that happened when we played the Pats. They played disciplined, and contained the offense.

I enjoyed watching you guys play that season. I wish I was on GAF that yr for the lols.

 

[Derrick01]

Haha yeah. Eli with his 9 TDs/15 INTs and barely over 50% completion percentage so far this season. Not to mention a 0-6 team.

That seems like a pretty average Eli Manning season except for the completion %. People forget just how sub-par of a QB he is because he had 2 playoff hot streaks (and the luckiest catch in super bowl history). Apparently that's enough to make a hall of fame career.

 

[Sephzilla]

That seems like a pretty average Eli Manning season except for the completion %. People forget just how sub-par of a QB he is because he had 2 playoff hot streaks (and the luckiest catch in super bowl history). Apparently that's enough to make a hall of fame career.

If they could merge Regular Season Peyton with Post Season Eli he'd be unstoppable.

As much as I love Tebow, the Ravens defense is too disciplined (or was at least), to let Timmy get passed them. It would have been a slaughter imo. Same thing that happened when we played the Pats. They played disciplined, and contained the offense.

It also didn't help that the Pats had a pretty good offense and Denver's defense that year wasn't anywhere close to as good as people like to pretend it was.

 

[Spinluck]

It's a completely unfair argument, I just threw it out there for a few kicks mostly.

The Ravens were a better team than the Steelers that Tebow faced. Though you could also make a case that Peyton's Broncos were much better than Tebow's. Whatever. Sports!

I see. That shit through me off. Lol.

 

[BadAss2961]

You can't seriously watch video of Manning and Montana and tell me Montana was better. You can't.

Same with MJ and Lebron. MJ looks like slo-mo compared to Lebron.

lol.

LeBron is way too soft to ever hang with MJ. That fragile psyche has been exposed many times.

 

[Pre]

Tom Brady, along with the newly-retired Ray Lewis, ranks among the NFL's most overrated players. He would be far less impressive with another team. No one else in the league has gotten the kind of consistent protection that he has all these years.

Also, the ring argument is tired. Following that logic, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino.

They would adapt, by using the new age PEDs todays players use instead of the shit they had back then and be bigger, stronger and faster.

ding ding ding

 

[Sephzilla]

I'm not much of a Tom Brady fan but I think it's silly to call him over-rated. The guy's been in five Super Bowls, won the Super Bowl MVP twice, and has two regular season MVPs. The guy is legit.

That said, I'd take Aaron Rodgers before either Brady or the Mannings.

 

[cashman]

Troy Aikman is a better QB than Marino you guys.

 

[Godslay]

Green Bay went into that game way too overconfident. They should have mopped the floor with the Broncos but instead they got cocky and everyone made mistakes a Super Bowl team shouldn't make.

Rewatch it. You don't run for 157 yards, 3TDs and get the MVP because the other team is cocky and makes mistakes. You get that because you dominate the line of scrimmage, grind the defense down, and have the greatest ZBS runner so far. Green Bay couldn't stop the TD. Favre's turnovers certainly helped, but go through the play by play, it's littered with TD gashing that defense.

I enjoyed watching you guys play that season. I wish I was on GAF that yr for the lols.

Yeah, that was a great season on GAF. Haters every week.

It also didn't help that the Pats had a pretty good offense and Denver's defense that year wasn't anywhere close to as good as people like to pretend it was.

In the regular season game prior versus the Pats, Tebow gave them a bit of trouble and it was a good game for about 2 quarters iirc. Then they figured out how to contain him, remained disciplined, and beat Denver soundly. The playoff game was a bit different in that they jumped out to a huge lead, and then just played good defense against him the rest of the game. Defenses don't stand a chance if they have to drag their asses back on to the field and the offense doesn't give them a cushion or time to rest.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Also, the ring argument is tired. Following that logic, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino.

It's not about rings alone. It's not just about stats or win-loss records either. It's total body of work, which rings are a part of.

 

[Sephzilla]

In the regular season game prior versus the Pats, Tebow gave them a bit of trouble and it was a good game for about 2 quarters iirc. Then they figured out how to contain him, remained disciplined, and beat Denver soundly. The playoff game was a bit different in that they jumped out to a huge lead, and then just played good defense against him the rest of the game. Defenses don't stand a chance if they have to drag their asses back on to the field and the offense doesn't give them a cushion or time to rest.

You're right. I was simply pointing out that Denver's defense that got lit up by New England was the same one that got torched by Green Bay earlier that year. I just get annoyed by the Anti-Tebow crowd that says Denver's defense carried him that year when that defense still finished in the bottom half of the league.

Also, the ring argument is tired. Following that logic, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino.

Common sense logic. You need to look at the overall body of work. Championships are a huge part of that overall body of work. It's really hard to be considered an all-time great when you never finished a season as the best.

 

[Sephzilla]

double, sorry

 

[Godslay]

You're right. I was simply pointing out that Denver's defense that got lit up by New England was the same one that got torched by Green Bay earlier that year. I just get annoyed by the Anti-Tebow crowd that says Denver's defense carried him that year when that defense still finished in the bottom half of the league.

The ball didn't carry itself in the endzone, or into FG position for those wins. Tebow gave just enough to pull the wins out. On the other end though, the defense did come through with critical plays to keep them in the game. The most glaring example was the Bears game, where the defense kept the game close, we were gifted with Marion Barber running out of bounds to save the clock, and then later coughing up the ball via Dumervile iirc, to then allow us to win. It was a screwed up symbiotic relationship, but it produced some wins.

When it failed though, it failed miserably. Against the GB, Lions, NE, etc. Great season though. One of my favorites outside of the SB runs.

 

[Derrick01]

Troy Aikman is a better QB than Marino you guys.

I heard the other week that he only had 1 season above 20tds. That kind of blew my mind.

 

[Pop]

They play to win Super Bowls.

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady

 

[Spinluck]

They play to win Super Bowls.

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady

So does every other player?

 

[Godslay]

They play to win Super Bowls.

Montana
Bradshaw
Aikman
Brady

Yeah, last I checked Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were right up there with Peyton Manning. Good call.

 

[youngwerther]

Brent Favre is the best quarterback of all time.

 

[OnPoint]

Brent Favre is the best Wrangler spokesperson of all time.

Yeah. There it is.

 

[Derrick01]

Brent Favre is the best quarterback of all time.

Well I do like watching joke QBs throw endless picks, so I agree.

 

[youngwerther]

Well I do like watching joke QBs throw endless picks, so I agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxSzxIxPrY

 

[bender]

I heard the other week that he only had 1 season above 20tds. That kind of blew my mind.

He played with the all-time leading rusher and the league wasn't near as pass happy so it's not that surprising. Still, Aikman isn't even the best QB in Cowboys history.

 

[NeoGeoOwner]

Oh hell yeah he is. There will never be a better one.

Yours.

Franck

 

[Gillian Seed]

Peyton is the best easily! He makes everyone around him on offense better, and is the smartest player of all time. Marino is the best pure passer of all time though.

 

[Sanjuro]

Peyton is the best easily! He makes everyone around him on offense better, and is the smartest player of all time. Marino is the best pure passer of all time though.

Peyton is better than Marino. Marino made everyone better (not great). Peyton has been in ideal situations more often than not.

 

[The Mana Legend]

No Quincy Carter is.

 

[The Mana Legend]

No Troy Aikman love here?

I am a Cowboys fan.

I have seen every single Cowboys game since I was 4 years old.

Aikman kind of was super fucking overrated.

 

[UraMallas]

That was a great ovation for Manning. Very classy Indianapolis and I mean that.