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What portion of the adult US population hasn't heard of breast cancer, in your estimation?
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The dudes from Simplepickup motorboat girls for breast cancer awareness.
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What portion of the adult US population hasn't heard of breast cancer, in your estimation?
ThoseDeafMutes
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Depends how you look at it, since they're generating an income based on view-counts on the video of the event. The more popular the video, the more money for them, but also the more "awareness raised", while the donation is fixed based on the number of women to begin with.
"Raising awareness" is not just telling people that have never heard of something that it exists, but also reminding people who do know it exists, and putting it at the forefront of people's minds for a time.
clearacell
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Does it matter? If ONE person is saved due to new awareness then it is worth it.
If I was saved from a disease that I personally had no fucken idea existed (but everyone else seemed to know about) I would be forever grateful to whatever made me aware.
And this is why I don't agree with their method. It's like, you're in a public place and you don't want to come off like a bitch so you succumb to peer pressure. That's not true consent, that is fear.
User 100115
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My problem with this is complicated, but I'll explain one of the simple ones.
"Hey, can I motorboat you for breast cancer awareness? Every girl that lets me motorboat them, I donate 20 bucks!"
*Oh shit, if I don't do that, now I am going to feel like a total asshole for not doing something degrading but easy for breast cancer.*
"Sure, no problem!"
"Hey, can I motorboat you for breast cancer awareness? Every girl that lets me motorboat them, I donate 20 bucks!"
*Oh shit, if I don't do that, now I am going to feel like a total asshole for not doing something degrading but easy for breast cancer.*
"Sure, no problem!"
You're giving too much credit to the majority of their fanbase. Its a pickup channel, so I'm not sure how many fans would take an educational video seriously. I reckon many guys would just unsubscribe if they see these guys preach about the horrors of breast cancer.
Instead, they pandered to their fanbase. Even if there are two dudebros who went 'Bro. These guys love boobies. I do too. We should like donate like $5 to cancer research to save boobies and shit' 'Hell yeah bro! Boobies are fucking awesome. Lets go lift!' then it was all worth it.
Yeah, the massage video led to an uproar. They have removed it. Their videos are usually harmless and that one really stuck out. I believe its for the best. These guys know their limits now. I love watching their videos and that video made me uncomfortable too.
I'm sure there were plenty of women that were uncomfortable with getting motorboated and refused.
In the video, there were plenty of women that were down with it and seemed to enjoy it.
But yes, there were a couple who didn't laugh and made an awkward face, so your point is valid. It was a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' situation for some of them.
How did I know this would turn into a shitfest....
I see NOTHING wrong with this, it's good natured fun, all the women said YES and seemed to get a laugh out of it, and money got donated to cancer research... How in the living fuck is this a bad thing in any way shape or form?
Are you pissed over the Save the ta'-ta's as well, because it's objectifying the breasts?!?!?!
FFS: people need to lighten the fuck up, honestly what has happened to society?
I'm sure they got turned down plenty...
I see NOTHING wrong with this, it's good natured fun, all the women said YES and seemed to get a laugh out of it, and money got donated to cancer research... How in the living fuck is this a bad thing in any way shape or form?
Are you pissed over the Save the ta'-ta's as well, because it's objectifying the breasts?!?!?!
FFS: people need to lighten the fuck up, honestly what has happened to society?
I'm sure they got turned down plenty...
BBQMan
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They are appealing to their existing Audience this Video will get more awareness and more views than an educational video would.
So if they tables were flipped and this was a Prostate Cancer video where someone went around grabbing crotches how would you feel about it?
At the end of the day. Both parties in the video had fun and money was donated to a good cause.
efyu_lemonardo
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That's an interesting point, but purely between the girl and herself/any peers present at the scene. It's not like their refusal was put into the final cut shown on youtube..
And certainly (or at least I sincerely hope so) no minors were approached for this.
User 100115
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It's also social pressure, 'Man, all these people are going to think I am a total monster if I don't do this.' So there's that as well.
Along with the a bit sleazy feeling I get from these guys in the first place, and the impression that it's all just an excuse to justify the playing with boobies, and they couldm't give a fuck about cancer.
Sanky Panky
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This is precisely the problem, don't you see? are there any non-horrors to breast cancer? should we not be educating people about the horrors of this disease? perhaps this will actually lead to more action, instead of dude-bros watching women get motorboated. It is of no fault of their own, but a bigger issue in our society.
Fiction said:
Pretty much. Add to it that it would be on youtube for people to watch. They should interview the women to ask how accomplished they feel about some stranger motorboating them.
They will be also donating $100 for every 100K views for the video. It says at the end.
Zen_Arcade
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I see your point, but I think you're exaggerating a bit.
efyu_lemonardo
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It is a little bit sleazy, that's why it attracts attention, which is why I don't understand why anybody would feel there's something wrong with them if they didn't agree to cooperate.
Seems like personal insecurity getting in the way of doing only what you feel comfortable with.
Din ding ding....
User 100115
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How am I exaggerating? They are told it's going to be on youtube, sometimes there's a crowd, and it's a basically effortless way to make someone donate $20 dollars to research. It might be uncomfortable and degrading, but a lot of people will be completely guilted into doing it, and laugh and joke about it so as to give the impression they are totally cool with it, yay, fuck cancer.
Edit: Seriously guys? Kay, I'll leave you alone then.
Zen_Arcade
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Because most people don't donate their own money to cancer, so I severely doubt that they would assume that you were a monster for not letting someone stick their face in your boobs for $20 towards it.
It's almost as if it's an avenue to get rich.
efyu_lemonardo
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that some of the girls who agreed may have for the wrong reasons. Maybe it's a bigger problem than I'm aware of but I'd imagine it was a very small minority of the ~100 girls who agreed. Which, for me, raises the question if those girls who agreed despite being uncomfortable with it aren't partially responsible for how they acted?
It really pisses me off when they say "let's save some boobies" as if their goal is to preserve breasts and not the health of people. However I'm completely indifferent to the content of the video; they weren't doing a good deed, just trying to fondle as many willing women as they could without actually paying anyone to do it.
Well, exactly. Reminds me of Livestrong which exists for no other reason.
You could call this donating to a breast awareness campaign or a SimplePickup awareness campaign and you'd be doing the same amount of public good.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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How do I donate $100 to these guys?
User 100115
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I just find it manipulative and gross to use something as serious as cancer as a pretense for feeling up a bunch of girls. Sorry if that's weird or prudish of me.
And yeah, it is manipulative. I doubt a minority of the girls weren't feeling guilt if they thought about refusing. I also doubt they would have done it if it were for a less serious issue.
daemissary
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Another way would be to say "No, but I will take $20 from my own pocket and donate instead."
Sanky Panky
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Did you know that this is one of the main causes of unwanted sexual assaults? Did you know that women have been institutionally conditioned that if they don't put out (doing something they are not always confortable with)... they will be called prudes, uptight, or will be generally unwanted (leading to personal insecurity).
The video in the OP could simply be yet another manifestation of that.
SmackDaddy
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Holy hell, living must suck for you guys. This is awesome! They raised a bunch of money.
Also, lol. Titillation
I'd imagine the majority would see them as a bunch of creeps that are just trying to play with their boobs. It's not like everyone knew it was going to be a viral video viewed across the internet.
They didn't raise anything.
Don't run off, we are counter pointing your point...that's all.
Not everyone is as uptight as everyone else, If I was with my girl when this happened I'd laugh and so would she and she would certainly let them boat her bigguns for a good cause. But on the other side of the coin, it's easy enough to say no and walk away, people do it all the time.
It's depressing what an uptight society we have become, women want all these right's but then feel like victims at the same time for every little thing. (not all of you just generalizing) Violence is glorified in the news and TV but sexuality is hindered worse than in the dark ages at times it seems. Idk it's just all sorts of messed up.
Point is, money was donated to a good cause, in the end that's all that really should matter. At least breast cancer has a pretty face, I can't hang out my balls for Testicular cancer research :/
SmackDaddy
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Except for MUH DICKKKK!
They didn't raise any money.
Easy killer, I edited myself...
Zen_Arcade
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They're donating money, whatever. Money is still going to cancer research.
Tesseract
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heh, heh, heh.
Dude Abides
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"Raising awareness" is largely empty feel-goodism. After watching the video, it seems the money actually went to the BCRF rather than pointless "awareness" campaigns or the Komen slush fund, so that's good.
Oh for fucks sake dude.
This is a bigger issue in our society? Then do something about it. You feel that we should be educating people about the horrors of breast cancer? Then educate people, rather than complain about how others choose to do it.
There are a 100 methods of doing it. The Fighting game community did it by having people raise money to see their favorite game at EVO. Sure, not all the fans who raised $500,000 actually wanted to raise money to this cause. They just wanted to see their favorite game at the event. WWE does it by having special merch on superstars and telling people about it. These guys do it by motorboating chicks and donating money based on video views.
The first two approaches might fit your moral compass. But the fact is these groups are doing the same thing through different approaches. Stop being an armchair activist and complaining about society and the system. Do something to change it, rather than deriding how others choose to do it, especially when there's no malice involved.
Why? The laughs, high-5s and 'That's my good deed of the day' don't do it for you?
Yup.
Someone thought it was Komen in the comments and said how 80% of the money would be wasted, and they corrected them by saying how the majority of the money will actually go to research, as the charity was highly regarded by an independent third party firm that analyzes the distribution of wealth in charities. They also posted the link for others to donate.
Assholes are more private than breasts. Some women like to emphasize their breasts, no one wants to emphasize their assholes.
They donated $2k, and they are donating an extra $100 for every 100k views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOrUAjOyCg
Cancer awareness.
There's a reason there's an important distinction between raising and donating. Let's take the sex out of the picture:
Starbucks posts to Facebook and says that for every Like they get, they'll donate a dollar to charity. Fine. They get a hundred thousand likes and donate a hundred thousand dollars to charity. But why were the Likes necessary? They could have donated without them.
The Likes were necessary because they were the commodity being purchased for the donation. Suddenly it's not about the charity, it's about Starbucks's engagement numbers.
In this case, the commodity being purchased was the chance to fondle breasts.
Zen_Arcade
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Yeah, and the women in the videos agreed to it. I know this is hard for some people on GAF to understand, but not everyone has the same opinions and personal beliefs as them, and God forbid they actually might have found a bunch of women who actually didn't give a shit about getting motorboated.
No one is getting hurt, and money is going to breast cancer awareness that wasn't going there before. But yes, everyone put a bad spin on it because they aren't raising the money in the exact ways you'd prefer.
Sanky Panky
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Aside from what I do in real life, me "doing something" about the greater issue in our society is talking about it here on GAF, where it seems there is a persistent aversion to the factual notion that women continue to be objectified. These "awareness" campaigns perpetuate the issue, and fail to educate anyone.
Case in point...
Dicer said:
The minute someone says that we should be educating about the disease, instead of perpetuating the objectification of a body part of humans... you are labeled as "uptight". These conversations follow a very narrow script. Sexual liberation for women was NEVER about being able to freely have strangers play with their breasts for money or a cause. It was about them not being treated as fuck objects, and discovering that they are also fully entitled to sexual pleasure.
Uh...this might be news to you but they can't put women in their videos unless they sign the consent form.
If they refuse, they need to blur out the faces or risk getting sued. They have done blurred faces before.
Where in my post does it say that the women were unaware that it would be put online? Does every video ever put on the internet go viral? If I were approached (for whatever reason), I'd assume it was a couple of dumbasses making a video that will get 30 hits.
efyu_lemonardo
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Here's where we have a slight difference of opinion. I agree there is definitely a sleazy side to this campaign, but I also think the deal with "cancer awareness" isn't about awareness at all, it's about changing people's attitudes. Everybody knows what cancer is, and breast cancer is one of the more familiar types. That's not the problem. The problem is there are still individuals living in the 21st century who feel uncomfortable approaching the topic and making it part of their day to day lives. I imagine the main reason for this is fear. Getting told by a doctor you should start doing annual checkups for cancer means you have cancer on your mind a lot more often than if you don't do those checkups. But it also means the chance of early detection and a successful recovery are enormously higher. Same goes for getting the right treatment, even it when seems like the scarier option at the time. The Angelina Jolie thread mentioned here is a perfect example of that.
With where medicine is today, many (maybe even most) cases of fatal or crippling breast cancer have more to do with negligence on the part of the patient than lack of knowledge and options for treatment. That's why I believe these issues shouldn't be presented as ruthless killers, they should, in fact be treated with humor, with lightness! Not because they aren't serious, but because presenting them in a fearful manner evidently increases avoidance.
This would be the most sincere and admirable reaction, if a girl was feeling conflicted.
I haven't said anything opinionated about the fact that they fondled breasts, just that they fondled breasts.
I'm talking about why incentivized donation is bullshit and isn't "raising money."
Can Crusher
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User 100115
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I just also feel it's a bit rude to have my entire point broken down to basically 'lol stop being such a prude' when I am as open about sex on this board as anyone.
But again, I am obviously not going to change any minds here, people are going to keep saying the same things over and over about 'society today' and 'no fun allowed' so it's pointless.
Zen_Arcade
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There can be more then one incentive for doing something.
Script? lol
Not every man treats women like "fuck objects" and here is a shocker...some women actually enjoy being treated as such. The problem is things are painted a very broad stroke, and that people all don't feel the same way.
You know, these guys could have made just another video in the style they have been, but the decided to do some good, and now we have people shitting all over it.
Fucking miserable.
My point was, they could have said no and walked away, you made it all about guilt...
sixteen-bit
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Colon cancer awareness next?
efyu_lemonardo
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I'd love to have a discussion on the differences between men and women, with regard to how society treats their bodies. Not sure this thread is the right place for that, though.
But if you have anything to add in reply to my post above (addressed to Fiction and daemissary), I'd love to hear it.
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