SmokedMeat
Gamer™
It's this young male age group that's suddenly now getting into PC gaming and having a high and mighty attitude.
Yes, I guess your rig can be the bestest when you can keep throwing money at it.
PC: The Largest Threat to Next Gen Consoles (according to Gametrailers)
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It's this young male age group that's suddenly now getting into PC gaming and having a high and mighty attitude.
Yes, I guess your rig can be the bestest when you can keep throwing money at it.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
I don't see how it is any different from condescension on GAF between the individual console fanbases.
Vanguardofyourdestruction
Banned
Agree. Console warriors generally conduct themselves in a far more civilized and respectful manner.
geordiemp
Member
Why do 'some' PC players try to convert console players.
It rarely happens the other way around.
If there are enough players online for your multiplayer games, and you like the number of games and exclusives like League of Legends then is that not enough ?
Me and my son play 360 together, soon to be Ps4, we have 2 TVs in the living room and have fun. He also plays with his school friends in big party's.
Sorry, I just cant se the appeal of 2 steam machines and the steam community is probably more 'mature' (or maybe that just my bad preconception)'.
Although it would be interesting to compare the average age of say xbox live vs. steam. I can only guess steam would be a lot higher....
It rarely happens the other way around.
If there are enough players online for your multiplayer games, and you like the number of games and exclusives like League of Legends then is that not enough ?
Me and my son play 360 together, soon to be Ps4, we have 2 TVs in the living room and have fun. He also plays with his school friends in big party's.
Sorry, I just cant se the appeal of 2 steam machines and the steam community is probably more 'mature' (or maybe that just my bad preconception)'.
Although it would be interesting to compare the average age of say xbox live vs. steam. I can only guess steam would be a lot higher....
MutonCommander
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Great question. The Xbox wasn't a household name compared to the PlayStation yet it competed because it was a good product. Same thing will happen with the Steam Machines if they are good.
Personally I feel that a $300 Steam Machine is quite doable. It won't be as powerful as a next gen console but it won't need to be. It just needs to be close enough so that it entices buyers with its low price.
As for exclusives, there are tons of PC-only games and Valve have a fantastic portfolio of titles that they could as exclusives if they think it's necessary.
I don't believe PC gaming is a massive threat to consoles, but there's no doubt that a lot of hardcore gamers moved onto PCs from last gen, due in large part to Sony/MS dragging the gen on way too long. MS would also be in a larger threat against the One unless they throw a lot of money around for "console exclusive titles", meaning titles not available on both PC and console. Sony is in a better position unless something radical happens and they go full steam ahead on making their 1st party titles available to PC as well.
First of all, I've read enough system wars bullshit to know that's not true.
Secondly, the PC doesn't really have an equivalent to Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo. Valve is as close as it gets but it's not the same. It's really up to the gamers to promote the platform.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Well we are comparing 'Beasts of the Southern Wild" to 'The Avengers'. The big explosive summer flick is worth a watch once in a while.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
PC certainly provides the most competition to consoles, but there is a conference in being competitive and being competitively priced.
My view (as a console and PC gamer) is that the PC doesn't currently pose much of a threat to consoles insofar as the core user base (Fifa Madden CoD crowd) aren't going to shell out big bucks for something that has less ease of use for them to play games on.
My view (as a console and PC gamer) is that the PC doesn't currently pose much of a threat to consoles insofar as the core user base (Fifa Madden CoD crowd) aren't going to shell out big bucks for something that has less ease of use for them to play games on.
Fess
Member
Right from the start of the generation? I've seen a graph floating around here that shows the power of PC and consoles that shows that PC has always been behind at the start, for a while, and then moving on way ahead before the generation ends. I'll try finding it.
Edit: It was a graph by salty nvidia...
But I don't remember PC ever being this far ahead going in to a new console generation, it feels like we're lucky to get a console version that is on par this time, and I'm not even talking about framerates now. :/
What kind of gaming do you expect on a $300 PC? LOL.
Vanguardofyourdestruction
Banned
Best point in this whole thread. PC will never be able to get this casual crowd, so consoles will always hold their own.
It's silly GT distinguish between SteamMachine and PC because it misses the point of what the former is. And if console players are going to be swayed away it's going to be through the steambox 'level' and the regular desktop machine.
Also, when will detractors of the PC as a financially viable gaming platform start using facts? It's astonishing that these arguments are still based on incomplete data being twisted about and on antiquated misconceptions.
Also, when will detractors of the PC as a financially viable gaming platform start using facts? It's astonishing that these arguments are still based on incomplete data being twisted about and on antiquated misconceptions.
MutonCommander
Banned
Good enough.
SolarPowered
Member
Only for the enthusiasts and the idea of secondary/tertiary consoles. I can't imagine many people will get all three consoles AND a PC to top it off. First party console games are really going to start mattering as PC continues to pick up timely third party ports.
geordiemp
Member
I am not trying to get involved in system wars, I have 2 Ps3, 2 360 and a steam account for a gaming laptop (when travelling).
I have seen a lot of why don't you just buy a gaming PC comments for $ 500 in many forums - just an observation.
A list like this seems odd, because there are products on there that have been on the market and floundering for the better-part of a year. Which means that it would need a fundamental change in...well, reality, to be a meaningful diversion of interest from the incoming systems. That's a weeird qualifier.
Pretty much how I feel.
games that over a 100mio of people playing worldwide.
Yea I was getting burnt out on games too. I was tired of playing bad multiplatform games on PS3 and the long updates and installs were driving me crazy lol.
MutonCommander
Banned
I honestly hope that console makers are of the same mindset. They'll never know what hit them.
I know I've said something like that once or twice before.
Speaking for myself, I get tired of reading endless threads where people complain about stuff like sub-60 framerates and sub-HD resolutions. If you're at the point where it bothers you enough to post about it on a gaming forum, you would be served incredibly well by a gaming PC.
I guess I see how it could be annoying to read recommendations like that but they're only trying to help.
Ascended Saiyan
Banned
Apple and steam are the only threats on the list.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I think the following things are true:
1) PC gaming is the biggest threat to console gaming.
2) PC gaming is a larger threat than ever before.
Neither of these things implies that it is a significant, imminent threat, about to undermine the console industry. They are just statements about relative importance and relative growth.
SolarPowered
Member
Where has this game been all my life?
Nintendo didn't know what hit them for years, but they wised up about Indie games and everyone is better off for it. Hopefully console manufacturers ARE paying a little attention.
You're joking right? The amount of threads with "I just got a Vita/PS3/3DS look how amazing it is" as titles I see on here is crazy.
Wow, how did I miss this video?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
That's not exactly the same as PC gamers mentioning PC games and PC gaming in threads that are not strictly about PC games and PC gaming. Maybe that's not what he's talking about, but that's definitely something that happens.
The majority of these posts are benign, but there are always a few insufferable ones here and there. Not saying PC gamers are the only ones making insufferable posts... but people notice these for whatever reason.
Diablo will never get those kind of sales again. Not after the product Blizzard eventually put out.
LowEndTorque
Member
meh.
This gen the Wii sold 100M+ and the 360 and PS3 are sitting at around 80M a piece. Numbers like that have never happened in the history of video game consoles. The console market is as strong and healthy as ever, and there's no logical reason to believe that won't be the case for nex gen, sans the Wii U.
This gen the Wii sold 100M+ and the 360 and PS3 are sitting at around 80M a piece. Numbers like that have never happened in the history of video game consoles. The console market is as strong and healthy as ever, and there's no logical reason to believe that won't be the case for nex gen, sans the Wii U.
The ultimate plan for the switch to Steam OS is the eventual ARM applications.
If you go over everything that Valve has said over the past year this becomes readily apparent. With a move like that, Valve does not have to worry about the inevitable decline of Windows and x86/x64 going into the future.
Gaf_SentMe
Member
A strong case can be made for a PS4/XBone/Wii U + low spec PC this upcoming gen. Doesn't always have to be about high spec PC. You can easily play a plethora of indie + exclusive RTS & MMORPG games with an adequate low-mid GPU. If I was a PC gamer (I am) trying to convince a console gamer to join PC/Steam, I would suggest a low entry point instead of "hey you have to play this game at 1080p/60fps."
I was attracted by exclusive (at the time) indie games like Hotline and Amnesia. Mind you I stopped PC gaming after Half-Life 2 & Far Cry. Now I bit the bug on a GTX 780, but quickly retracted to recoup the $ lost and will be just fine with a low-spec solution for the near future.
I was attracted by exclusive (at the time) indie games like Hotline and Amnesia. Mind you I stopped PC gaming after Half-Life 2 & Far Cry. Now I bit the bug on a GTX 780, but quickly retracted to recoup the $ lost and will be just fine with a low-spec solution for the near future.
Console and PC gaming have coexisted for years now, and the console market just keeps growing and growing, up to the point where we now have three consoles in the market with sales above 75 million units.
So, what makes you think PC will suddenly become a threat? I haven't read a good argument for that in the whole thread.
I agree, the chase for max settings is a fruitless endeavor. Arguably pointless due to diminishing returns as you push most settings higher and higher.
This generation is not like that last one. Both the 360 and PS4 were well ahead of their PC counterparts for a good while after they launched, now it is completely flipped. If you purchase a mid-range card now you will be perfect at 1080p/60fps for this generation. You may have to make some consolations like Tessleation or 32xMSAA, but you can make it work.
Well, with a console you can play every game that the console provides, not worrying about specs. So you can see the appeal of consoles to most people.
MutonCommander
Banned
One word: Valve. I will elaborate if you want me to.
Go on.
geordiemp
Member
I would love to buy a gaming PC (other than my low level gaming laptop) but I would want
1. To play on line with a controller against controller only players
2. Easy party chat and friend system
3. A system that was immune to virus, Trojans and other nasties.
4. Popular enough that my sons mates (10 yrs) demographic was heavily represented
Valves seams to be making steps with the Linux system, but I doubt they would segregate gaming mouse, controller and they new handheld thing (not being sarcastic, just cant remember the name of it)...
So I don't see anything PC wide other than good graphics, and hopefully Ps4 is at least a step in right direction..
1. To play on line with a controller against controller only players
2. Easy party chat and friend system
3. A system that was immune to virus, Trojans and other nasties.
4. Popular enough that my sons mates (10 yrs) demographic was heavily represented
Valves seams to be making steps with the Linux system, but I doubt they would segregate gaming mouse, controller and they new handheld thing (not being sarcastic, just cant remember the name of it)...
So I don't see anything PC wide other than good graphics, and hopefully Ps4 is at least a step in right direction..
Dictator93
Member
You really think x86 will have a sharp decline in the future?
I am not sure if I see that occuring...
H_Prestige
Banned
The same reasons PC is supposed to threaten consoles this gen are the exact same reasons they could have threatened consoles this gen. But it didn't. Not only that, consoles sold way more this gen than they did the prior gen.
If/when consoles go out of style, it won't be because of PC.
Brofist
Member
Wow that video of Strike Vector alone just made this topic worth it.
Sentenza
Member
No, they aren't.
Digital distribution was barely a buzzword and a vague idea at the time, and everyone was predicting the doom and gloom of PC gaming, while now DD is a gigantic and very consolidated market and PC gaming is generally considered in the middle of its full resurgence.
Plus, consoles were pioneering some advanced tech not available on the PC consumer market back then, while right now they are settling for some mid tier PC hardware available on the shelves, while a lot of innovation is fermenting on the PC front.
There are hardly any relevant points in common among those two scenarios.
Are you even trying?
SolarPowered
Member
Wii was a pretty gigantic slice of the industry this generation and most of the industry let those customers move right on without a thought. Current gen would have been a bloodbath of red ink month to month in the US alone without the Wii's software and hardware numbers. Next gen won't look anywhere near as healthy unless PS4 and the Xbone each gain larger marketshare than the Wii... which probably isn't going to happen.
Then again, PC and console feed off each other so it'd be in everyone's best interests that no one falters. They're "too big to fail". I hope you are right because filling Wii's gigantic shoes doesn't look possible just by looking at the sheer numbers.
The casual user is already migrating from x86 to ARM. The boxed PC business is imploding on itself right now as sales continue to significantly decrease.
It is important to note that custom PC and 'gaming focused' boxed companies are seeing a significant increase at the same time. For at least the next decade or so, there will always be a use for the power and business user for x86 applications.
Point is, your everyday user is already leaving. What purpose would they see in having a dedicated laptop or desktop if they only want to browse, email, tweet, and light gaming? There isn't one, and Valve is hedging their bets when it comes to the future of the industry with SteamOS and the eventual migration to ARM as well.
Man, I keep up on PC releases and I haven't even heard of Strike Vector. Voted.