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RUMOUR: Xbox One version of Call of Duty: Ghosts is 720p, PS4 version is 1080p?
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"30 GB is more than enough space for stellar Full HD content."
" Bitrates around 10-15 MB/s deliver the same image quality as 30-35 MB/s."
" Yes, HD DVD content has low bitrates but the image looks good enough"
"Nobody needs HD movies, DVD is good enough."
The list of arguments against Blu-Ray and HD content in general was endless. Its similar to the 720p is good enough statement. 56% more pixels is a bigger jump than 480p to 720p, and people thought that this was huge...
N30RYU
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Party chat up to 8 players on PS4 says that won't blow again that easily... also COD Ghosts will have dedicated servers in curent, next-gen and PCs.
This is true however we only have the current gen to go on.
XBL will most likely be the better online service though.
Phat Michael
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What are you talking about? You are saying the X1 isnt more powerful than the X360? It hasnt been improved in every way? The PS4 has superior graphics hardware no doubt - but so did the PS3.
I have both consoles pre ordered but of course the games matter - Xbox has Ryse, Killer Instinct and Crimson Dragon - all three which i really want. PS4 has Killzone for me (which is the only game im interested in on the system)
The reason i want the Xbox as my main machine is the reason its my console of choice in the current gen over my PS3 - i like the controller and xbox live is much better than the current ps system.
This next gen, if a single player game looks HEAPS better on PS4, then i will get it. If its negligible or has multiplayer then i will get it on X1.
Not everyone is limited to one machine so its not an "either/or" choice - its simply which machine will i buy this game on.
TheRealTalker
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Is it bad that I read this in Daffy Duck's voice
Cherry picked specs?! Those are the specs! That is what gives the console its power and if you want proof in the pudding look at the thread title. There you go..
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I wanted it more for the TV and media stuff anyways... It'll be an exclusives machine most likely.
Hopefully this 720p stuff is just on IW's side.
Hopefully this 720p stuff is just on IW's side.
have you played on PS4 and Xbox one? Has that even been true in the last couple of years? I thought the only real difference was cross party chat and even that is hardly 'blowing PSN away'.
Honest question, if slightly loaded. I'm not a big MP fan so all I can go on is the feature set, and they seem pretty much on par by now (and PS4 will have cross party chat like vita does)
I think that's likely, yes, but if which has the better online service is the only thing someone cares about, they should wait and actually see what those services are this time around.
Acheteedo
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And I'm doing the same thing. But you have introduced other factors into your argument, which is exactly the point I'm making, its not as simple as which is more powerful.
The developer is talking about an actual game.
Impeccable
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Guys don't worry, people are blowing this out of the water.
Who needs Blu-Ray when DVD looks soooo good??
Who needs Blu-Ray when DVD looks soooo good??
GrizzleBoy
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What precedent is that then?
That gamers will be happy to sacrifice the gameplay they've enjoyed for multiple console generations if you make the games prettier?
If that was the case, playing anything except Crysis on PC is setting a bad precedent.
plagiarize
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It's more like multiplats confirm which system is easier to leverage the power on. But we aren't ignorant to the architecture differences of the two system. PS3 was more powerful but harder to develop for. PS4 is more powerful and easier to develop for.
We know this. The confirmed system specs suggest this very heavily, and the rumours all back this up.
Xbox One exclusives show us that if you work exclusively on the system you can get good results working inside it's limitations. PS4 exclusives are already demonstrating a technical advantage.
We know how Forza 5 is achieving 60 fps and 1080p without breaking much of a sweat (pre baked lighting instead of deferred lighting for example). Ryse looks good, but its 900p vs Killzone's 1080p. vs Knack's 1080p.
Hell, compare Quantum Break (which looks lovely) to Infamous: Second Son. While we don't know anything about QB's resolution, character models in Infamous look about as good, and that is an open world game. That's coming out early next year. QB we've seen an interior in real time, and we have no idea when it's coming out.
Doctor_Thomas
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Tales From My Ass:
Considering Sony have learned from their mistakes in their hardware, marketing, focus and Microsoft are making all new mistakes, I'd be very surprised if PSN was worse than Live.
Between looking at Live on 360, what the PS3 did well and what the Vita did well, I'd say Sony are more likely to put more effort in to their online. They simply had to, no point in making a device that has so many positives to fall down at the experience the majority seem to care about.
Considering Sony have learned from their mistakes in their hardware, marketing, focus and Microsoft are making all new mistakes, I'd be very surprised if PSN was worse than Live.
Between looking at Live on 360, what the PS3 did well and what the Vita did well, I'd say Sony are more likely to put more effort in to their online. They simply had to, no point in making a device that has so many positives to fall down at the experience the majority seem to care about.
So I got a neogaf reputation? That's kinda cute. And I'm not even wearing an avatar. =D
One question: Why did people buy a Nintendo 64? Because a) they wanted to play a super mario game or b) they wanted to play a fucking Super Mario in 3D game?
I surely would spent 560 Dollars to play Dead Rising 3 in a technical heavily compromised state. Gameplay is just as innovative as Mario 64 back then and to add to this, it does look amazing in it's variable resolution at 25 to 30FPS. That's so good, I really don't understand how it does not make you buy that console. It's a complete new concept presented in an outstanding technical coating. You NEED to be there day1. /rant
SneakyStephan
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This gif makes my head hurt as my eyes keep trying to adjust to the out of focus upscaled image (in vein, as it's just blurry, nothing to adjust to)Transplanted the HUD elements to account for that...
I hate scaling blur SO much
Shh, if you say his name 3 times he'll be summoned back to the earth to ruin games journalism for 7 weeks.
I like the cut of your jib.
Damn your overly long but gramatically correct sentences.
which is of course fine. But for those of you that buy both machines - do you see yourselves buying multiplatform games mostly on PS4 (assuming they are better)?
If so, thats bad news for MS as it reduces the income they get from license fees on third party games.
Captain Bluey
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Anyone seen this?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-call-of-duty-ghosts-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
The article is titled: Call of Duty: Ghosts runs at 1080p and 60fps on Xbox One and PS4
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-11-call-of-duty-ghosts-runs-at-1080p-and-60fps-on-xbox-one-and-ps4
The article is titled: Call of Duty: Ghosts runs at 1080p and 60fps on Xbox One and PS4
MysticGoujon
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They aren't all of the specs though, are they? and 50% more CU's doesn't make a 50% stronger GPU. Etc. Anyway, I've said all I need to say in this thread. We'll never all agree, and thats cool, discussion and differing opinions are good.
Powerstar golf and killer instinct are both confirmed 720p already, titanfall also rumored, Ryse 900p and Dead rising 3 is Dynamimic resolution.
It's not just IW.
See here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=86116324&postcount=8069
Tflops, Pixel fill rates, Texel fill rates memory bandwidths are not opinions they are facts.
If Rockstar choose to do the next GTA game on next-gen consoles, they'll be able to do all that and they'll achieve their goals easier on PS4 than on Xbone, with lower cost to the developer and the player. That's the disappointing part about how MS designed Xbone and if they want to convince players to pick up their box over the competition they will have to bring out some serious arguments, not wish that players overlook lower resolution.
It's also from June 11th and based entirely on a PR statement.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I see the thread has gone some places and some people are in flat out denial over this. It's best to just ignore threads like this if you're a diehard Xbone fan who can't take it.
There are more sources pointing to this being true than not so I would take this one pretty seriously vs your average rumor.
There are more sources pointing to this being true than not so I would take this one pretty seriously vs your average rumor.
A Serious Man
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Yes. Old. Things change.
This makes me sad and a little irritated towards MS. If the person(s) responsible for Xbox One's specs still works there, they don't need to be involved with anything MS makes again. What a huge fuckup by MS. I'm no fanboy, but I have preferred most of my gaming on Xbox and Xbox 360 due to the games looking or performing a little better. PS4 is getting all my love this upcoming gen. Good job alienating your core, MS.
Uno Venova
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Unfortunately 720P - 900P will be the norm according to boat.
*Incoming salty opinion*
To be honest, as someone who has an XOne pre-ordered with a sizeable quantity of games alongside it (Ghosts and Battlefield 4 being two of them) and has ridden the wave of negative and positive news that has followed the initial reveal, it's starting to become exhausting trying to stay positive now. It just seems to me that whenever the XOne begins to surround itself with a positive buzz, something, like this COD rumour, comes along and bursts the bubble. What's even more infuriating, is that no-one from Microsoft, or even Infinity Ward is attempting to tackle the issue head on.
Non-answers from Phil ('we don't know, because we aren't directly involved in the development') and Albert ('Activision will tell us when they want us to know') serve nothing other than to stir the rumour pot faster and instil even more frustration in those of us who are trying to believe Microsoft haven't produced a lemon. I don't believe for a second that you guys (Phil and Albert) don't know how the final build of Call of Duty will perform on final retail hardware. Considering the Call of Duty series is one of your flagship, third party titles, I doubt very much you guys sit at the sidelines oblivious to how the development of the game is coming along. Considering Microsoft are throwing some of their marketing weight behind the game, you will no doubt have close ties to the development process. And, I assume you will have XOne engineers going back and fourth to Infinity Ward's development team and helping them acclimatise themselves with the XOne hardware and SDK - Just like you have done with, albeit, first party published titles Dead Rising and, probably Ryse - so, you will no doubt be getting first hand, technical updates from those guys. So there is NO WAY Microsoft doesn't know how the game will perform.
Irritatingly, I sort of understand the PR approach they (MS) are taking and why they won't officially comment on this. Call of Duty isn't their product, so, probably for legal reasons, they won't make an official statement about it. So, instead, they dance around the issue. However, I'm sure they could try and at least drop a hint of 'I Wouldn't worry' or 'wait till this date and see for yourselves' to try and at least diffuse the situation a little bit instead of the non-answers they have provided thus far - assuming the rumour turns out to be false. Then we have the stance that Activision may take, assuming it's turns out to be true, then it will most certainly affect pre-orders of the XOne version. And, arguably, affect XOne pre-orders too. So, they would probably take the stance of 'lets say nothing' or the neutral 'we don't comment on rumours or speculation'. But if it's not, and I certainly hope this is the case, just come out and TELL US! Diffuse this shit storm.
Right now, in my eyes at least, the inaction and poor response so far by both Microsoft and Infinity Ward/Activision is seeding the idea deeper that the XOne is severely undercooked. Not to disrespect the dev team at Infinity ward, but if there was one game everyone expected to run @1080p and at 60fps on both XOne and PS4 it was the call of duty series. Now unless there is a legitimate reason for the Ghosts game to be running under par compared to the PS4 version, such as an immature SDK (potentially meaning the game 'could' be 1080p with more dev time and better tools), then it potentially means that we can expect future games to suffer the same treatment.
Now, I know for a fact that graphics + resolution doesn't equate to superior gameplay. But the rational gamer inside me does question my £430 purchase decision to buy a console which may be lame before it even exits the start line.
Microsoft NEED to react to this sooner rather than later.
To be honest, as someone who has an XOne pre-ordered with a sizeable quantity of games alongside it (Ghosts and Battlefield 4 being two of them) and has ridden the wave of negative and positive news that has followed the initial reveal, it's starting to become exhausting trying to stay positive now. It just seems to me that whenever the XOne begins to surround itself with a positive buzz, something, like this COD rumour, comes along and bursts the bubble. What's even more infuriating, is that no-one from Microsoft, or even Infinity Ward is attempting to tackle the issue head on.
Non-answers from Phil ('we don't know, because we aren't directly involved in the development') and Albert ('Activision will tell us when they want us to know') serve nothing other than to stir the rumour pot faster and instil even more frustration in those of us who are trying to believe Microsoft haven't produced a lemon. I don't believe for a second that you guys (Phil and Albert) don't know how the final build of Call of Duty will perform on final retail hardware. Considering the Call of Duty series is one of your flagship, third party titles, I doubt very much you guys sit at the sidelines oblivious to how the development of the game is coming along. Considering Microsoft are throwing some of their marketing weight behind the game, you will no doubt have close ties to the development process. And, I assume you will have XOne engineers going back and fourth to Infinity Ward's development team and helping them acclimatise themselves with the XOne hardware and SDK - Just like you have done with, albeit, first party published titles Dead Rising and, probably Ryse - so, you will no doubt be getting first hand, technical updates from those guys. So there is NO WAY Microsoft doesn't know how the game will perform.
Irritatingly, I sort of understand the PR approach they (MS) are taking and why they won't officially comment on this. Call of Duty isn't their product, so, probably for legal reasons, they won't make an official statement about it. So, instead, they dance around the issue. However, I'm sure they could try and at least drop a hint of 'I Wouldn't worry' or 'wait till this date and see for yourselves' to try and at least diffuse the situation a little bit instead of the non-answers they have provided thus far - assuming the rumour turns out to be false. Then we have the stance that Activision may take, assuming it's turns out to be true, then it will most certainly affect pre-orders of the XOne version. And, arguably, affect XOne pre-orders too. So, they would probably take the stance of 'lets say nothing' or the neutral 'we don't comment on rumours or speculation'. But if it's not, and I certainly hope this is the case, just come out and TELL US! Diffuse this shit storm.
Right now, in my eyes at least, the inaction and poor response so far by both Microsoft and Infinity Ward/Activision is seeding the idea deeper that the XOne is severely undercooked. Not to disrespect the dev team at Infinity ward, but if there was one game everyone expected to run @1080p and at 60fps on both XOne and PS4 it was the call of duty series. Now unless there is a legitimate reason for the Ghosts game to be running under par compared to the PS4 version, such as an immature SDK (potentially meaning the game 'could' be 1080p with more dev time and better tools), then it potentially means that we can expect future games to suffer the same treatment.
Now, I know for a fact that graphics + resolution doesn't equate to superior gameplay. But the rational gamer inside me does question my £430 purchase decision to buy a console which may be lame before it even exits the start line.
Microsoft NEED to react to this sooner rather than later.
GribbleGrunger
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silver.tongue
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You should go where you think you're gonna have more fun, buddy, but what you said has not been true for a long time now...
cookie-monster
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I have to ask about this again, because nobody could answer last time. Given the weird jaggies seen so far, is it really 1920x1080, or is there some horizontal scaling going on? To me, 1080p means 1920x1080, but to PR, I'm guessing not necessarily.
silver.tongue
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That and the Xbone upscales everygame to 1080p with a custom chip... people are discussing the native res of the game.
Based on the assets available to him (Xbox One actual game, PS4 video footage) the Xbox One version should look significantly better, if you want to get technical.
Dictator93
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I think they imagined their core were the same people who bought the Wii for some reason.
Q
Queen of Hunting
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this thread just needs to be locked now lol
Glad I'm buying the consoles only for exclusives.
To be stuck in the childish mindset so many here are....I do not envy you. I've laughed at all the entertaining posts though.
Keep only playing a few/half the good games coming out (whichever side). There are some good exclusives at launch.
I'll stick to more than twice the power on my RIG for multiplats and gobble up the exclusives too.
To be stuck in the childish mindset so many here are....I do not envy you. I've laughed at all the entertaining posts though.
Keep only playing a few/half the good games coming out (whichever side). There are some good exclusives at launch.
I'll stick to more than twice the power on my RIG for multiplats and gobble up the exclusives too.
Your right, all xbox fans should leave any thread relating to xbox and its games so the Sony shills can continue to shit all over everything.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I agree. These are the kinds of comments we're going to start seeing. XBL "blows away" PSN is laughable these days.
It's as funny as people downplaying PS4's massive games advantage.
We have a strong rumor and without reading the tons of pages added since last night there are already bitter comments coming that are off topic. You know, the signs of someone who is frustrated and insults when in a tense situation?
You can stick around and play referee or whatever you think though.
All I will say in regards to that is
1. It's from early June...lots can change
2. None of the direct quotes from the developer actually mention 1080p....just 60fps...
It's 1920x1080. The resolution and 60fps is taking the extra oomph Xbox One brings, so corners are being cut.
Call of Duty on XBL is the laggiest piece of shit.....
Daffy Duck
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WHY ARE THE SUPPRESSORS HEXAGONAL?!?!?!?
Can we please not use photographs to compare resolutions? They're a sampling of a continuous signal. Graphics rendering isn't like that.
That aside, I find it really crazy that we're discussing whether 720p is 'OK'. For next-gen. In 2013. For a cross-generation game.
That's a farce. 1080p ought to be the minimum standard for early games on next-gen, not to mention port-me-ups. 12 months ago I'd have figured it'd be a given for all games well beyond that too.
In Pop-GAF parlance...I cannot.
That aside, I find it really crazy that we're discussing whether 720p is 'OK'. For next-gen. In 2013. For a cross-generation game.
That's a farce. 1080p ought to be the minimum standard for early games on next-gen, not to mention port-me-ups. 12 months ago I'd have figured it'd be a given for all games well beyond that too.
In Pop-GAF parlance...I cannot.
killatopak
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Actually it does and it's not just the CUs but every aspect of PS4's GPU is better than Xbox One's.
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