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well we'll certainly know in a few months, hopefully sooner.
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Rumor: Titanfall also 720p?
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well we'll certainly know in a few months, hopefully sooner.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I agree, but I think he just couldn't think of the right way to get his point across. I'm genuinely interested to see how this plays out because I'm in the camp that a lot of folks are going to buy CoD on whatever they want to buy it on, and most won't even think about resolution differences. If their buddies jump from 360 to One for CoD, they will too.
The word of mouth will have to be huge for the norm to change. The PS4 vs MS marketing may have helped with that, but I still feel CoD will sell the best on Xbox partially due to sales on Xbox 360 (as it's a cross gen game) and partially because people are set in the Xbox environment.
I could be completely wrong, though.
No thats why im asking, if that stuff is decided in like meeting number one of the game or do they wait until its pretty much just optimization time and see what they can get it to? Im going off all those devs who say "we are aiming for X resolution and Y FPS" like two months before the game comes out
Correct, (apart from 2 guys who are there for reference) Proelite, Thuway and Mort are v well respected... those quotes are before Cboat arrived with his confirmation.
To be fair i think dice is just being cagey about saying so.
Are you suggesting that Gaf bans Crazy Buttoks On A Train?
BloodMoney
Banned
Why would anyone defend 720...? Especially a gaming journalist. There is no question about it, 1080 looks significantly better than 720 upscaled to 1080.
To those still talking about CoD Ghosts being 720p on Xbox One... Come on guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Run8gMVYj2Y
NullPointer
Member
Set the example.
Ok cool. I thought it was just cboat and one sentence from one post and it was immediately printed into the gaf constitution.
DrROBschiz
Member
Honestly the 720p thing doesn't bother me that much since it always looks good enough and I am still using my old 720 LCD TVs
That said I instantly recognize that you are paying more and getting less with XB1 currently across the board
More restrictions(XBL Gold Lockouts), Massively Market driven approach that will flood you with adds even when using premium services.
Higher Up Front costs, Less valuable free games, Less sales and access to budget titles/software.
I mean it seems like an updated 360 instead of a leap forward but I'll reserve final judgements until launch.
Going to be very interesting finish to the year.
That said I instantly recognize that you are paying more and getting less with XB1 currently across the board
More restrictions(XBL Gold Lockouts), Massively Market driven approach that will flood you with adds even when using premium services.
Higher Up Front costs, Less valuable free games, Less sales and access to budget titles/software.
I mean it seems like an updated 360 instead of a leap forward but I'll reserve final judgements until launch.
Going to be very interesting finish to the year.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Jesus christ, it's like dealing with climate change deniers or birthers. 1080p > 720p isn't an opinion.$400 < $500 isn't one either. Unless you think a glorified clapper for your TV is the greatest thing since touch screens, the Xbox One just does not stack up well to the competition. That doesn't mean your an idiot for buying one, or that certain exclusives don't make the investment worth it for you. It's just an objective fact that Sony's product is a better buy out the gate for the majority of gamers. Just accept it and move on, the sour grapes don't help your case.
soul creator
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Because of potentially dozens of other features (visual and otherwise) besides resolution that go into making visuals on the screen?
The post I replied to only referenced resolution by itself in his post, and I've seen other comments of a similar nature, so I keep wondering why there's this notion that resolution is the only possible worthy "jump" you can get from a new console. It's like this weird logic where Halo on Xbox wasn't a big jump over Perfect Dark on N64, because they both ran at 640x480. We all obviously know that's false, so why the "oh no, why would I buy a new system?"
Resolution is not the only way to show a next-gen jump (even on a cross-gen game). Certainly, it can be one way of doing that, but again, it's not the sole factor. It's certainly fine to desire 1080p games, but I'm just curious as to why 1080p in and of itself is supposed to be the dominant marker of whether something is next-gen or not.
It's hard to say. There are a lot of people who seem to think it won't make a huge difference, and I can quite easily understand why.
At the same time, I can see this conversation being quite common too.
Customer: "I'm looking to upgrade my console for this year's Call of Duty, what's the difference between the $399 console and the $499 one?"
Sales clerk: "Well for Call of Duty, it actually performs better on the cheaper console"
Tough to come back from that...
Goodacre0081
Member
im not surprised at all, that's why I come here for news and opinions. the media is too far up the ass of publishers and manufacturers to be taken seriously, they're all too gutless to call out problems to risk getting blacklisted.
it was evident with this video from yesterday from IGN about the Titanfall exclusivity. they basically say it's a timed exclusive but to go buy the Xbone anyway.
It's not just him, and I don't think they are doing it on purpose.
Theory from my ass, it's a combination of these factors:
- They've all played every multiplat on 360 this generation.
- They are just as invested in their circle of Live friends as anybody else, probably moreso since they are so well connected
- They think of themselves as actual journalists, which means equal coverage no matter how obviously lopsided things get (look at politics for another example of this).
- They deal with 2-4 rabid fanbases at any given time (which begs the question why he dove into this one)
He isn't the worst though. I had to unsubscribe from Giant Bomb a few weeks back when they were talking about how much better Xbox exclusives are than PS exclusives. I couldn't help but think "Where the hell have you guys been since 2009???"
Does your post qualify as "open discussion" in your mind?
DrROBschiz
Member
Yeah PS4 just seems excellent across the board both at launch and for its future prospects. Includes the essentials out of the box (XB1 wont include a headset what?)
Microsoft got itself in too deep with its marketing partners man. Itll do well in America I am sure but no where near 360 as far as I can tell
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Yeah, but "perform" is a bit misguided. CoD will perform exactly the same (most likely) on both. It just may look a bit crisper on PS4 due to 1080p. I'm curious how many Best Buy or Gamestop employees will say "well CoD looks a tad bit better on PS4" and whether that will be enough to sway the guy that only buys CoD and Madden every year to play with his friends, and is coming from an Xbox 360.
I think the price point of the consoles is by far the biggest caveat, not the resolution differences.
I dont think the "its not important for the average consumer so why does it matter" argument holds water.
If I go to buy a car, im not a car expert, so things and small facts with the engine or exhaust or whatever (see cause...cause im not an expert) dont matter to me. But that doesnt mean those things dont matter AT ALL.
If I go to buy a car, im not a car expert, so things and small facts with the engine or exhaust or whatever (see cause...cause im not an expert) dont matter to me. But that doesnt mean those things dont matter AT ALL.
FunkyPajamas
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Off Topic, but... You can actually pinpoint the exact moment yosp says 'get up!' to Kaz, without even looking at him. He's the real CEO at SONY! I knew it!
The gif is reversed, so if anything he's telling Kaz to sit down
There were tears.
NullPointer
Member
I'd personally agree that resolution isn't the only factor that defines a technical leap, but what are these dozens of other on-screen features that people are supposed to care about?
And if Halo was available on the N64 too, yeah, I might ask just why people feel the need to jump to the Xbox when they could have that game in "good enough" fashion on their existing console.
I just keep seeing posts about how to the average console buyer, resolution doesnt matter. Framerate doesn't matter. And yeah, it makes me wonder just what it is that we can point to that DOES matter for the average buyer here, when it comes to these titles that they can get on their current consoles.
Yes they all have terrible HD feeds, especially ABC.
Pseudo judo
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Gat... gat... g... GAT DAYUM.
Uno Venova
Banned
Certain journalists do seem to take it hard when MS is under fire, now I'm wondering what the giantbomb crew's opinion on this are.
guys, I think this is going to cause big problems for Sony, They are putting more and more money into fullHD TV's and are making a big push into 4k Media (with tV hardware media players and film releases) but today I learned that 720p is fine, obviously sony are in big trouble now, maybe they'll bow out of the console race after 2 weeks of the generation because they went for 1080p and 720p is clearly just as good.
Yes, it's sarcasm.
This one probably drives this kind of stuff more than anything else. Narrative trumps reality. These guys need a close fight to drive site clicks, just like regular news media likes to paint false equivalence all over politics.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
I think what people fail to realize is that the significance of this is not that Xbone is 720 and PS4 is 1080.
The significance is that if it's true it's proof positive that everything MS has been saying along the lines of Xbone being as powerful as the PS4 is a flat out lie. It's that overall performance gap that is going to be significant throughout the life of the console, and it translates into more than JUST resolution. Resolution is just the first part of it.
The significance is that if it's true it's proof positive that everything MS has been saying along the lines of Xbone being as powerful as the PS4 is a flat out lie. It's that overall performance gap that is going to be significant throughout the life of the console, and it translates into more than JUST resolution. Resolution is just the first part of it.
Neuromancer
Member
They've got PCs for their multiplatform games, they won't care one way or another.
I agree. Forza/Ryse are only on X1. KZ:SF is only on PS4. BF4 doubles the player count which will make for a huge gameplay change. But if none of those games appeal to you, then there might not be much of a reason to jump to next gen quite yet.
I don't know what the change is for COD or TF. If those are expected to be the reason people will buy the X1, then it's reasonable to ask why people will buy the X1 instead of just playing another year on the 360.
Goodacre0081
Member
the Tim Dog meltdown has been outrageous. did he make good on his threat to post his Xbone cancellation?
geordiemp
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At this point, I'm 99% convinced Penello and CBOAT are the same person. The CBOAT persona and periodic leaks are so he can look at his wife and kids in the face without feeling shame.
Resident_UA
Member
Yes I do. Lol
I know most people don't care but it bothers tech savvy people (i.e. early adopters).
call_kotaku
Member
A lack of power is a lack of power, it stands to reason that resolution isn't the only manifestation of the power difference between the two machines, or how small the difference between current and next gen might be.
Again, neither Titanfall or COD look like graphical powerhouses, they're very obviously cross-gen games. Not being able to do 1080p/60fps is embarassing.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
That's quite funny. I actually thought he was being serious until he mentioned skyping with the COD Dog lol
A bit extreme but he has a point.
KaiserBecks
Member
It's still more than 4 months until the game is out, why are we even talking about this?
titusandronicus
Member
Honestly, a gaming journalist defending 720p in this instance is pathetic. It isn't that 720p is 'bad', it is that on one console, a multi platform game is 720p, and on the other is 1080p. It is a significant difference, and the console that runs is better is 100 dollars less. Plain and simple. To argue that it isn't that big of a difference is one thing, but to act like it doesn't matter because TV companies offer heavily compressed 720p video is just absurd. Would be like saying that it doesn't matter that Nintendo doesn't have a proper account system because Bandcamp doesn't. Completely separate things.
And anyone, be it a 'gamer' or journalist, who thinks of themselves as holier-than-thou true gamers because they don't care about pixel counts and just play games for fun needs to pull their head out of their ass. As someone who has played video games since the SNES days, still plays old games, and has owned technically 'inferior' systems such as the Wii, I value the fun/experience over cutting edge tech. Though the performance of a game relative to many other factors such as price and the opportunity cost of buying said game and/or platform to play it on also affects the enjoyment of it, just as any other factor does. Everything counts.
And anyone, be it a 'gamer' or journalist, who thinks of themselves as holier-than-thou true gamers because they don't care about pixel counts and just play games for fun needs to pull their head out of their ass. As someone who has played video games since the SNES days, still plays old games, and has owned technically 'inferior' systems such as the Wii, I value the fun/experience over cutting edge tech. Though the performance of a game relative to many other factors such as price and the opportunity cost of buying said game and/or platform to play it on also affects the enjoyment of it, just as any other factor does. Everything counts.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Especially yesterday was TitanFall release date announcement day and it was completely overshadowed
What a bad statement. Unless it's raw video, you simply can not compare direct feed to video.
Kibbles
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"You can Skype with the dog" killer app
Sword Of Doom
Member
Oh my god. "You can actually Skype with the dog". Haha