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[luxsol]

but don't act like the rest of us are lemmings because we don't agree or care enough join you in that crusade.

who said anything about lemmings? All I'm saying is that you, as the consumer who gives in, allows these anti-consumer policies to happen. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
You have a choice in what policies they deliver.

As i said, it's very telling at how many people care about a secondary function of a console, yet something thats even more anti-consumer? So many people bend over, just because they believe that's supposed to be the new normal?

All this creates a slippery slope, because we are seeing our rights dissolved further and further, but the message so many of you give:

As long as it's bright, shiny and new, I don't care. I'm having fun down that slope.

Feh.

Honestly, as things become more and more hooked up to the internet, it's just a matter of time where people will be justifying and defending the need to pay a fee to stream over the internet or even require the internet to be of use. Stuff like the XBone's DRM is pretty much one or two generations ahead of it's time the way things are going.
And whose fault is that?
Everyone who gives in.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

All I know is that the amount of power reserved for OS better be utilized. Need all the features as they were there, minimum!

 

[dosh]

This is another thing i hate.

The console isn't even released and you guys think the battle is already over?

You know what you can do to tell Sony/MS to NOT fuck us over? DONT BUY THEIR BULLSHIT.
I'm not giving a single penny to Sony. I'm not buying a single PS4 game. I'm not buying PS+. I'm not going to buy a PS4. All because I don't like their anti-consumer policies.

Don't give in. Complain. Bitching isn't enough.
You don't need a PS4.

By buying a PS4, PS+, and PS4 games, you know what you're doing? Saying anti-consumer policies are ok.

So anyone who pays up, it's YOUR fault that anti-consumer policies happen.

So don't fucking blame Sony, MS, Nintendo, Electronic Arts, etc, for all their stupid bullshit, because it's on you guys on why they do it.

I don't know. Is it really that hard to accept that some people just don't care bout DLNA and mp3? Would you be that pissed if people complained about a system missing a feature that you never use?
It's entirely up to each individual to gauge this kind of things.

 

[travisbickle]

Yoshida: "Listen, I know the order came from us that we wanted to not support mp3s to encourage Music Unlimited subscriptions, buuuut... people are sort of angry."

I have a hard time believing they are specifically not supporting mp3 because they want to sell a $60 a year premium service that's main feature is it can be accessible on multiple devices. The service is for people who own lots of devices, having it on a games console isn't going to tip anyone over the edge, most people listen to the game music.

I think it's just coincidence that comes from the difference in streaming music online to accessing it from the HDD. Sony are accessing the HDD for your game and saving recordings to the HDD constantly, mp3 playback maybe the straw.

 

[IvorB]

Really? I think his first tweet said they were, since he specifically talked about not including them "at launch," and his second tweet basically says they didn't expect this level of demand for these particular features, both explaining their absence and implying they're no longer on the back burner.

Oh really? I only read the one which is in the OP. That says: thanks for the feedback, I'll let the dev team know. Were there more?

 

[angrygnat]

I haven't seen this many pissed off people since they announced that you couldn't turn off the DS4 light bar. Well I for one don't give a fiddlers damn if it doesn't play music. Would have been a nice feature but its not a deal breaker. Besides. Does anyone really believe they aren't going to add this functionality sometime down the road?

 

[SmokyDave]

This is a right kick in the bollocks. The PS3 was my MP3 player of choice because the sound quality was fucking nuts for a games console. I can't believe they've ballsed this up.

 

[sublimit]

You're somehow saying that a SECONDARY function of a console, that not every console ever did and ISN'T required to have, is somehow worse than getting the PRIMARY FUNCTION of a console and for something you PAID for (when buying the game) denied to you unless you pay up?

WTF???When did i say that?And who said i'm ok with online being behind a pay wall?I complained about it many times both here in GAF and elsewhere but unfortunately this is something a big part of the game community (aka XBL gamers) decided they had no problem with it as long as they were able to get their CoD and Halo doses.That ship has sailed since 2006 and there's nothing we can do about it anymore.At least PS4 gamers should be thankful that PS+ offers so much more to them than XBL gold.
However this doesn't mean that because online paywalls have become acceptable we should also accept every other dick move a company tries to pull off.Today maybe it's something small like not being able to play mp3s but tomorrow it may be something bigger.
And of course MS's initial policies were worse than this but this doesn't mean that people should accept the removal of the ability to play their music just because it's a minor secondary issue.
Seriously the only hypocricy i find here is yours because it's your line of thinking that led us to this situation in the first place.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post.

 

[Ulumsk]

I'll just use the same workaround I used with the PS3(mixer/splitter), but this is weak. This should be a feature in the box.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I agree with what you're saying, but for one thing. Regardless of any anti consumer policies; nobody needs a PS4. We want one and we aren't willing to wait- we like shiny new things and we are willing to throw logic and reason out the window to get them (to some extent).

I don't think that is something to be proud of... on the contrary.

this is how americans have lost their unions btw get offered some small benifit or raise or easy hiring if you aren't unionised , like putting a dog's medicine in a treat, only the medicine is a sterilisation pill

 

[Forearm Star]

Came in thinking this was an additional $50 a month and was outraged.
Reread OP and noticed it was a yearly sub for $50 a year, which works out to about $4.15 a month. Added with PS+ and this is $42 a year which work out to about $3.50 a month.

If they would have marketed this as just $2.99 a month, I would have bite and wrote this off same as a hulu plus, or netflix subscription. I am def part of the problem. Thanks for helping me see the error of my ways.

Going to go rethink my finances now.

 

[Perkel]

At least it's an awesome service

In all 4 countries where it works

 

[Bundy]

Shu is not playing around

 

[MMaRsu]

Shu is not playing around

Yes he is.

 

[Principate]

Really? I think his first tweet said they were, since he specifically talked about not including them "at launch," and his second tweet basically says they didn't expect this level of demand for these particular features, both explaining their absence and implying they're no longer on the back burner.

The FAQ said a straight no in comparison other statements where it said the features would be comming after launch. He has not actually clarified this issue and has pretty much left it up to persnal intepretation.

Until he is more clear I wouldn't assume anything. Until they change the FAQ (which isn't exactly hard) or provide a mre clear response don't start celebrating yet.

 

[Acquiescence]

Get on that shit Sony. In this day and age you can't have a system like the PS4 not play mp3 files.

 

[Bundy]

Yes he is.

Well, he is playing KILLZONE: Shadow Fall on the PS4. That's for sure!

 

[luxsol]

WTF???When did i say that?And who said i'm ok with online being behind a pay wall?

Sounds like you did... and then you say things like this

That ship has sailed since 2006 and there's nothing we can do about it anymore.At least PS4 gamers should be thankful that PS+ offers so much more to them than XBL gold.

Yeah, ok.

However this doesn't mean that because online paywalls have become acceptable we should also accept every other dick move a company tries to pull off.Today maybe it's something small like not being able to play mp3s but tomorrow it may be something bigger.

I totally agree, and that's the whole point of my bitching and not buying anything relating to the PS4. Obviously, i seem a little extreme on my stance (not buying video games is extreme? funny), so i can't really fault those that do buy a PS4 and PS4 games... as long as they don't pay for online.

And of course MS's initial policies were worse than this but this doesn't mean that people should accept the removal of the ability to play their music just because it's a minor secondary issue.
Seriously the only hypocricy i find here is yours because it's your line of thinking that led us to this situation in the first place.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post.

Maybe you should have read the rest of my posts, since i think i made it pretty clear I'm against taking away previous features too. I'm just amazed that people care more about a secondary feature than a primary feature on a gaming console, especially given the fact that people consider it to be anti-consumer (which it isn't, since they're not forcing your already existing media library to be used on anything but on whatever you can). It's like saying Sony is anti-consumer for not supporting Super-CDs, DVD Audio, or even being able to play CDs on the PS4. It's not anti-consumer, it simply just lacks those functions. You can't expect them to put everything on their console, but for things like this... yeah, they're fucking jerks, but anti-consumer? Nah.
Putting the online portion of a video game you paid for behind a pay wall? That's anti-consumer as hell, considering the fact that the money you paid for the game supports and directly funds everything found in the game (DLC found on the disc and day one DLC? very arguably anti-consumer).

 

[MoogleWizard]

Shu is not playing around

I hope this is a hint at a future firmware update that enables MP3 playback. It's such a shitty move to remove the feature to try to force people that care about it to subscribe to some shitty streaming service just so they can listen to music they already own.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Let's not overreact, folks. It will be in, even if not at launch. Sony aren't insane. OMG, get the shill!!

 

[ViciousDS]

Shu is not playing around

Huh.... wow wasn't even expecting a follow up to his last tweet

 

[Oersted]

The FAQ said a straigh no in comparison other statements where it said the features would be comming after launch. He has not actually clarified this issue and has pretty much left it up to persnal intepretation.

Until he is more clear I wouldn't assume anything.

I worked in the marketing industry. He is using a standard rebuttal.

 

[Liamario]

I worked in the marketing industry. He is using a standard rebuttal.

Clearly, he's saying a lot without saying anything. We are no closer to getting these features patched in.

 

[IvorB]

Shu is not playing around

I struggle to believe this tweet. Surely they collect usage statistics from all the consoles in the wild. Still, it's encouraging that they are looking at this seriously.

 

[Dead Man]

DLNA in concept is great. The reality is sadly that setting up a DLNA compliant system is more work and headaches than just streaming it directly.

I had a DLNA network at home. Worked like magic. Except my SmartTV could not communicate with my DLNA server. And subs never worked, neither embedded nor external. Also, transcoding is a bitchprocess that takes up a shitload of resources.

Now, i have a NAS wired to my network. 256MB ram and 2GHz processor, just streams the data to my various players (phones, HTPC, PS3, TV) no worries. Works flawless.

Yeah, I care about MP3 capability much more than DLNA, I never managed to get it working, now I just stream across a home network to a laptop that is connected to the TV via HDMI.

Hell, the only reason I want MP3 support is for custom soundtracks, which seem an awesome feature on 360.

 

[ChryZ]

Shu is not playing around

... as much as I like Shu, it's just a spiel. You can't tell me they don't know which features are used by PS3 owners. I bet the media features were already on their to-do list, just not top priority.

 

[Sweep14]

Clearly, he's saying a lot without saying anything. We are no closer to getting these features patched in.

Well I'll allow him the benefit of the doubt. Shu is not a marketing guy

I really think that Sony focused on Game and social fonctions, in accordance with their vision explained in february and were not expecting those reactions about the lack of media functions at launch.

He tweeted that he would talk about this with the PS4 Dev team and that's what he apparently did less than 24 hours after his first message. Those functions way not be there in the next firmware but they will come

 

[Wereroku]

... as much as I like Shu, it's just a spiel. You can't tell me they don't know which features are used by PS3 owners. I bet the media features were already on their to-do list, just not top priority.

What makes you think they track it? I have never submitted media data to Sony so they may not know how many people use it. Truth be told my data would not help as i have never used these features.

 

[mrklaw]

Beats me. DLNA was originally a Sony project, which makes this even stranger. There´s probably a ill-conceived business reason behind this, maybe internal politics of Sony, but it really doesn´t make sense even from Sony´s perspective. At least not obviously so. Sony´s been really great at being open to developers and content creators, and this does seem totally contrary to that. And to the policies that were put to place pre and post PS3 launch.

EDIT:

This might be just an oversight too. Things do get left out just because somebody forgot to write something to a doc or a powerpoint somewhere. Maybe they were so focused on being a gaming machine for gamers that it was just... forgotten?

Baffling, and I hope they are quick to come around.

apply occam's razor to those two possibilities. Isn't it more likely that they simply didn't have time to put it in? It isn't just the codec support, they'd need a database, trawl the metadata, UI to navigate - a proper little player. Maybe they just didn't have time to squeeze it in.

Saying they wanted to push their service is a little too conspiracy theory. In that case, why does PS3 have netflix etc when they also have their own video store? and pushing a sony music service means people can't play their Sony Music CDs that they have ripped. there is no logical reason to exclude it other than cost (and that seemed enough for Nintendo..). Maybe when they add it you'll need to activate it online like with the DVD/bluray feature so they can cover the license fees?

 

[Impeccable]

I struggle to believe this tweet. Surely they collect usage statistics from all the consoles in the wild. Still, it's encouraging that they are looking at this seriously.

I don't, they are quick and responsive.

 

[Curufinwe]

I struggle to believe this tweet. Surely they collect usage statistics from all the consoles in the wild. Still, it's encouraging that they are looking at this seriously.

How would they track mp3 usage?

 

[DBT85]

What makes you think they track it? I have never submitted media data to Sony so they may not know how many people use it. Truth be told my data would not help as i have never used these features.

They only need data from a very small amount of people to get a good idea.

 

[ChryZ]

What makes you think they track it? I have never submitted media data to Sony so they may not know how many people use it. Truth be told my data would not help as i have never used these features.

There are other ways to research this stuff: questionnaires, surveys, focus groups, etc.

 

[ViciousDS]

They only need data from a very small amount of people to get a good idea.

Yes except if the small amount of people don't ever use it or the fact that your pan Id doesn't track listening to music or playing files transcoded on yourplayer on your pc to the ps3

 

[klausbert]

I'm not getting a PS4 until i know it supports DLNA and MP3s. I used both features extensively. How else could i have played Gundam Extreme Vs, it was missing some of the most awesome Gundam themes, but you could replace the Music with your own.

 

[airjoca]

Anyone think they might've dropped some features in order to have a stable and ready OS for launch, with nothing but the essential and the already promised features?

 

[Bojanglez]

I don't accept people saying the feature has been 'removed', it is a new OS being built to be ready for a set date, it will evolve over time.

The worrying thing is they should have a roadmap for features and they should be able to (within reason) inform people what is on it.

 

[Frumix]

Anyone think they might've dropped some features in order to have a stable and ready OS for launch, with nothing but the essential and the already promised features?

No, they're a company and want your coin. Never trust a company. They're aliens from the planet of Shekel.

 

[HueyFreeman]

I love shu - but the guy is very good at playing a social media based audience, GAF included (and in particular)

Until we see something on the ground that shows media features are back in or planned, I'd remain pretty speculative. Interestingly, sony hasn't actually responded to consumer reaction once, given it's all been so positive. MS has been the (extremely) responsive one. This is kind of a proving ground for Sony, what do they actually do with this reaction? Granted it's not on the level of the DRM, but It's a gradient towards the same effect: selling MU subs in self interest, likely cloaked in "protection of content owners."

 

[ksdixon]

dors this affevt custom soundtracks?

 

[IvorB]

How would they track mp3 usage?

Your PS3 is reporting back to Sony HQ every time you turn it on and connect to the internet. It transmits usage statistics as well as other info. Pretty sure it can indicate how many times features such as .mp3 player has been used.

 

[MMaRsu]

dors this affevt custom soundtracks?

Duh

 

[djplaeskool]

The more I think about it, the more I believe the system's ability to share and broadcast gameplay might be making the ability to play one's own music problematic. I know I've been accosted by Twitch Cops before about playing music on a livestream that I don't have implicit licensing to broadcast. Technically, there are a bazillion DCMA violations waiting to happen. Limiting this to MU subscribers ensures users and Sony are compliant. If more access to personal media is made available, it will probably have to jump through a number of hoops. Perhaps playing personal stuff in the background is disabled when streaming, or that audio channel is simply not captured in the process. Things like that.

 

[DBT85]

Yes except if the small amount of people don't ever use it or the fact that your pan Id doesn't track listening to music or playing files transcoded on yourplayer on your pc to the ps3

If the small (5000 people) sample said nobody used it, then in the grand scheme of things nobody uses it. It's a sample big enough for the userbase they have.

As for the PSN ID not tracking anything, I would be surprised if both Sony and MS don't get some kind of usage data back when you connect to the internet. Maybe not "how many MP3s played or streamed" but it's certainly not outside of the realms of possibility.

 

[JP]

Not used custom soundtracks for years as they sort of got in the way of games for me but I can understand why people may not like this move. My personal opinion is that MP3 is a terrible format to support and they'd be far better off supporting other formats before MP3 but I suppose MP3 is the lowest common denominator.

 

[phuturist]

... as much as I like Shu, it's just a spiel. You can't tell me they don't know which features are used by PS3 owners. I bet the media features were already on their to-do list, just not top priority.

I don't understand why everyone assumes he meant "WE HAD NO IDEA YOU GUYS WANTED THAT WHAT THE HELL". I read it as "We heard you. We talked with the dev team about it." and that seems like a good thing to me.

 

[maverick40]

Perfect for me! I have a subscription to music unlimited so I am sorted. It is a fantastic service

 

[FranXico]

I don't understand why everyone assumes he meant "WE HAD NO IDEA YOU GUYS WANTED THAT WHAT THE HELL". I read it as "We heard you. We talked with the dev team about it." and that seems like a good thing to me.

They better make the sensible decision to schedule it into their upcoming firmware updates.

If so, I hope Shu makes an official announcement in the blog.

 

[MogCakes]

So basically, this thread.

FAQ: no MP3/ DLNA support
GAF: FUCK that shit
Shu: We have heard and I will discuss with dev team
Some of GAF: There is hope
Some of GAF: I don't believe it
Rest of GAF: SHU IS AWESOME
Shu: I have discussed with dev team. We like that you use PS3's multimedia
Some of GAF: There is hope
Some of GAF: I don't believe it
Rest of GAF: SHU IS AWESOME

 

[freefornow]

Shu is not playing around

Why do I read that as if Don Mattrick had said it:
"We have a console that plays MP3's and does media streaming. It's called PS3"