With "gamers" or with the most hardcore raging fanboys?
Because there's a difference. And it's bigger than the pixel count lol.
Cinemablend calls out gaming press, accuses them of living in a Doritocracy
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With "gamers" or with the most hardcore raging fanboys?
Because there's a difference. And it's bigger than the pixel count lol.
It wasnt about 720 vs 1080, it was about which system ran what games slightly better(which was the case 90% of the time). And then, when there was a massive difference(Skyrim) they were mum about it. The politics in the articles have always been there.
How many times does someone in this thread have to bring up what happened between 2005-2013? Seriously are you just being purposefully obtuse? I'm seriously not explaining it again. Your blatant dismissal is fucking gross.
perineumlick
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When these opinions and viewpoints are hypocritical compared to past history from said journos, is it wrong to call that out?
Glass Shark
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Can you provide an example of a member of the games press saying they preferred the 360 because the games ran better? I'd argue that if anything they preferred games on 360 because of the controller, or because of the number of people playing online. Probably any reason other than resolution.
Wow, what a completely unfitting example.
Skyrim's difference was about gamebreaking bugs, not about visual differences small or otherwise. Also, they were definitely not raging at Sony, but (rightfully) at Bethesda.
ThisWreckage
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Flip the two companies and their situations around and you'll see how fucking ridiculous the media has been. The PS3 was skewered for being too expensive and it had slightly better tech in it. The Xbox One is getting a pass for being more expensive even though it's weaker. Really? How did this happen? The Wii U has been slaughtered by the gaming press for being underpowered and because of their decision to bank on the tablet controller. Well, the Xbox One cut corners to include Kinect 2.0 and this is rarely brought up and Kinect is just accepted as part of the package. Really? How did this happen?
Sites like Polygon are fucking terrible and have about as much credibility as OXM when it comes to Sony opinions.
Sites like Polygon are fucking terrible and have about as much credibility as OXM when it comes to Sony opinions.
PeakPointMatrix
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Wait, did I miss something? Where are all of these articles defending the 720p debacle?
Glass Shark
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You didn't answer my question.
If you honestly thing that the "journalists" who use their employers website to post their slanted misleading articles
opinions
You still have yet to come up with any valid explanation as to why articles slanted against the PS3 are okay when the differences last gen are much much smaller than the differences now.
Microsoft has been disingenuous at best, and in my opinion has outright lied to their customers. Since when does anyone appreciate a media outlet downplaying and hiding this kind of behavior? 660p vs 720p and it's "extremely obvious which console has the superior version" but 1080p and 720p and no one cares?
DRM is good for consumers? Since when?
Do you even read what you're defending?
Edit: Quoted wrong post. And fuck it, you're a lost cause.
The "opinion" becomes a problem when there are double standards.
As in they are ruled by money given to them by frito lay (doritos)?
perineumlick
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I'm sure a lot of the game press favored Bayonetta on 360 over PS3 because of the controller.
NinjamicWZ
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Dew Dor Don't?
With skyrim I was pointing out that the industry does play favorites, as he seems to be trying to imply that they don't do that. The media barely covered the terrible that was the Skyrim for the PS3. Why? Because a large number of the games media loves bethesda, so they let it slide.
From what we have seen so far, seems they are playing favorites(and by favorites I mean more defensive then they normally are with these types of issues) with MS right now, as well, like they did with Bethesda.
To be somewhat fair on the Skyrim issue, I don't think anyone was sent PS3 copies for review, I seem to remember some sites saying they specifically asked for PS3 and were sent 360.
We're going to have to wait for actual reviews of the Xbox and PS4 versions of games to see what gets called out. There was a LOT of talk this gen by press on the various podcasts I listen to saying that they went 360 most of the time because it pretty much always ran better than PS3 (which was usually true). It's a bit weird to see opinion pieces/tweets from people saying that the resolution thing isn't a big deal, when technical concerns this past gen were often quoted as being why they went with one platform over another. Then again in most cases unless it was really bad a lot of places would just run the same score for a game on both platforms.
The difference here is people are looking at dropping a half grand or more so purchasing decisions are made; people have the right and should demand to know about every little thing about both to make that decision.
You would think that would be cause for alarm, and that they would have gotten their hands on a copy after launch. They did not, and outside of very few, barely even mentioned the issues on the PS3. Again though, the media likes Bethesda(for the most part) so they let it slide.
SquiddyCracker
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This is such a great post.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Glass Shark
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Sure, let me throw this gasoline onto the fire: I didn't think Microsoft's original plan for DRM on XO was that big a deal. Just like I don't think the resolution thing is that big a deal.
Maybe I've just been doing this for long enough to not get worked up over things like this before I've even touched or used the thing in question.
True, I was thinking more of the initial reviews but I agree for sure.
Talking to a wall full of Mountain Dew and Doritos is pretty pointless. I choose not to answer.
Damage controlling before using the system is somehow okay. Jnccccccc
I think a Doritocracy should be defined as government by Doritoverlords.
Glass Shark
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That's cool. Just trying to have a real discussion. I see a lot of people angry about the gaming press being "broken" without giving any concrete reasons and spouting assumptions without evidence to back them up. It gets me a little worked up, especially since I work in that field.
Doctor_Thomas
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Ha, wow.
If everyone felt this way, the Xbox would still have always online DRM.
Good thing for us consumers that Microsoft didn't listen to people like you then and ended up changing that DRM bullshit.
Please do tell me which websites you write for.
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thepotatoman
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Sports games are all native 1080p on both platforms as far as I know.
xaosslug
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reposting for truth and in case joshrholloway didn't catch it.
DF is the only one that's been specific about resolution, but it's definitely come up in plenty of other reviews. I don't know how many I saw where they referred to one version (usually the X360 version) as "looking better" or "sharper", or "running better" than the other. They just didn't get into specifics. Why else would all the fanboys have been going on for years and years about why their system was better? Because for multiplats, it usually was better.
You're a joke - you demand evidence (links to articles) from other people in this thread (which is readily available in this same thread) yet when asked to explain why DRM is good for consumers you respond with "Lol who cares?". No one needed to touch or use the thing in question to understand that the DRM they were imposing would hinder our ability to use/trade/share games.
These people who we're (less us, more the general public) supposed to be able to look for making an educated purchasing decision are holding double standards for reasons yet to be determined, and all you're doing is being an apologist for them.
Journalists literally slammed the PS3 for everything you could possibly imagine >including resolution deficiencies< in multiplatform games but now because it's Microsoft who's weaker, liying/lied, DRMing, and more expensive, everything is chill-bro MS can do no wrong?
It goes all the way back to Madden 2008 running at 30 fps on the PS3. Where is a similar article to this about CoD running at half the resolution on Xbone anywhere but on Digital Foundry?
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=167595
If the opinions posted conflict with what the writer has said in the past, with no reason as to why they've changed,or are factually wrong, then it's dishonest. Honesty and consistency are key elements in journalism.
Constant defense of the Xone's weaknesses looks like the journalists in question are being swayed by Microsoft's money. This would at the very least be a perceived conflict of interest which should be avoided as it puts the writer's integrity in harm.
We haven't seen direct comparisons, though. Wonder what they're giving up to hit that 1080p mark?
When people give you examples, you either say "I see it differently" or "Not a big deal"... So any evidence presented to you, you ignore or try and say it is just their opinion. Well that opinion frames their views on things, so that alone leaves enough of a cause for thinking that the games media isnt pro consumer focused, much at all.
BotoxAgent
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Lol, yeah right
DidntKnowJack
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It's about time people opened their eyes to the double standard that's been on display for years. It was frustrating for me all the way through the PS3 early years. Every time a new, exclusive PS3 title came around and I was really into it, I'd eagerly listen to what my favorite podcasts had to say about them - and they'd either be ignored, referred to as mediocre or down right bad, or barely mentioned at all.
My favorite example regards when Uncharted 2 hit, and we were all excited by it, we were all talking about it, and Garnett Lee didn't even bother playing it. He eventually did about 6 months to a year later, and just nitpicked the shit out of it. Meanwhile utterly mediocre titles like Gears of War 3 or Halo 4 practically had entire shows devoted to them.
So this Doritogate stuff doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I'm happy that it's starting to open people eyes to the reality of the situation in game's media. I'm not saying their all paid off shrills, but they do have a clear Microsoft bias.
My favorite example regards when Uncharted 2 hit, and we were all excited by it, we were all talking about it, and Garnett Lee didn't even bother playing it. He eventually did about 6 months to a year later, and just nitpicked the shit out of it. Meanwhile utterly mediocre titles like Gears of War 3 or Halo 4 practically had entire shows devoted to them.
So this Doritogate stuff doesn't surprise me at all. In fact, I'm happy that it's starting to open people eyes to the reality of the situation in game's media. I'm not saying their all paid off shrills, but they do have a clear Microsoft bias.
Thank you. I'll be sure to avoid it.
Pretty much. Nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them. Tough balance between honesty and maintaining relationships.
Puppet Shadow
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Forgot about those, ya that makes sense. I hope for Microsoft's sake that FIFA is 1080 on both. Europe doesn't need any more reasons to go with Sony.
Post 369, bud. They cared. Read it, deal with it, etc.
ThisWreckage
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Like I said earlier, 1 UP Yours was a podcast that functioned as a Microsoft cheerleading session. The only way there was ever positive Sony discussion was when Shane was on the podcast and he was jumped on by the other three every time he was on there. People like Luke and David Ellis were so blatant that it was sickening.
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thepotatoman
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To be clear, journalists were right to talk endlessly about the price point even when Sony tried to sell it as a $400 v $500 comparison, they were right to say that rumble does matter when Sony said rumble didn't matter, and they were right to report that most multiplatform games ran better on 360 than PS3.
I just don't get why they just say they don't care about every single issue people have with the XBO. I swear I've heard more talk about PS4 switching to a multiplayer pay wall than every XBO problem combined.
I just don't get why they just say they don't care about every single issue people have with the XBO. I swear I've heard more talk about PS4 switching to a multiplayer pay wall than every XBO problem combined.
SolidSnakex
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Now this is from the same guy less than two months ago
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-09/10/vita-tv-and-microconsoles
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
A lot of truth in this post. Remember Sessler's PS4 is really $450 once you factor in Plus and thus the price difference isn't that big of a deal?