Cinemablend calls out gaming press, accuses them of living in a Doritocracy

Doritocracy and Dewtactorship.
Doritarian and Dewmocracy.

I do find it weird at this point to downplay the differences this much. Maybe if the price situation were reversed, or at least focused more on exclusives versus exclusives as it really is about the games there, but same game versus same game... You're objectively getting an inferior version on Xbox for a higher price, and the only thing that remotely evens that out are timed exclusives on DLC, which is innately bullshit anyway. I know it won't matter that much to most people, and if it REALLY did PC is generally best, but they definitely need to stop and consider if that extra hundred gets them what they want, as it certainly isn't offering more power.
 
Relevant post from another thread.

"Image quality still favours the Microsoft platform however: moving to the 360 version after a PS3 session is still like wiping away the grease from a lens." - 880x720 vs 832x624

Vaseline, Grease = 114,432 pixels
Minor, Slight = 1,152,000 pixels

I think something fishy is going on. I just... i can't see what it is... hmmmmm.
 
Well you have a fighting game "injustice gods among us", and racing game "Need for speed: rivals"

Hey guess what....I also had those on PS3 !!!

And I'm talking about first party Sony dropping the ball and not having shit for the launch to showcase PS4.

Third parties are irrelevant to me as every third party title launching with PS4 is also available on PS3.
 
Who are you to tell them what their opinion should be? Maybe they genuinely think that this whole resolution thing just isn't worth getting all worked up about.

They can have the opinion all they want that graphics/performance potential doesn't matter, just don't try and whitewash that fact that one system is stronger then the other. Beyond that, the defensiveness of some of these articles, in regards to performance differences is just embarrassing. They are not saying, "well even though there is a graphics difference, they have games X, Y, and Z", what they are doing is downplaying the difference in performance, more or less, by itself as a reason why the resolution/performance doesnt matter.

That is why it is a problem.
 
Why can't the gaming press just report the tech difference and let us determine how much it matters?

That's literally what they're doing, and GAF is freaking out about it.

What I see the press saying, "Yes, there is a difference, but in practice you probably won't notice as much as you think you will. Wait and see until you get it in your hands."

What GAF sees them saying: "These two things are literally identical and there is no difference."

On top of that, GAF is confusing op-ed with hard facts. Kyle Orland at Ars says, "this thing doesn't really matter to me that much" in a very clearly marked opinion piece, and everyone here sees it as the entire Ars organization coming out saying that factually the PS4 and XO are identical.
 
Article nailed it. Seeing the length some outlets are going to to downplay how huge of a difference 1080 to 720 is is just laughable.
 
That's literally what they're doing, and GAF is freaking out about it.

What I see the press saying, "Yes, there is a difference, but in practice you probably won't notice as much as you think you will. Wait and see until you get it in your hands."

What GAF sees them saying: "These two things are literally identical and there is no difference."

On top of that, GAF is confusing op-ed with hard facts. Kyle Orland at Ars says, "this thing doesn't really matter to me that much" in a very clearly marked opinion piece, and everyone here sees it as the entire Ars organization coming out saying that factually the PS4 and XO are identical.

That is framing a question, with a specific response to try and create a perception. IF they said, "I probably wont notice as much of a difference as others might", that would be different, but that isn't what they are doing. They are presupposing an opinion on the reader, and that is intentional.
 
Because the resolution isn't literally about how many pixels X game displays. Its a concrete demonstration of a fairly large performance gap between the two consoles, much larger than this precious generation for ,multiplatform games. It can and will manifest in other ways, not just the rendering res.

This is being treated like 1080p is some optional luxury feature like 3D support or something, when the real issue is the implied difference in performance. Its not a matter of taste or opinion. Its math.

Maybe I'm just interpreting things differently from you, but I don't see it that way at all. The Giant Bomb guys talked about Knack's framerate on the Bombcast and seemed pretty concerned about it. They did the same with Dead Rising 3 for XO. But they happened to take the reasonable stance in both cases that they should wait and see until the final consoles and retail discs are shipped rather than making a snap judgement based on all sorts of constantly shifting factors.
 
That's literally what they're doing, and GAF is freaking out about it.

What I see the press saying, "Yes, there is a difference, but in practice you probably won't notice as much as you think you will. Wait and see until you get it in your hands."

What GAF sees them saying: "These two things are literally identical and there is no difference."

On top of that, GAF is confusing op-ed with hard facts. Kyle Orland at Ars says, "this thing doesn't really matter to me that much" in a very clearly marked opinion piece, and everyone here sees it as the entire Ars organization coming out saying that factually the PS4 and XO are identical.
Nailed it
 
Killzone may be a decent shooter, but are you seriously going to tell me its better than battlefield! CoD, Halo? I would put it as maybe the 4th best shooter franchise at the very least and BF and CoD are going to be at the launch next to it.

Yes, I am going to tell you it is better than Battlefield (Different game type), CoD (Ghosts isn't even trying.), and Halo (4).
 
Who are you to tell them what their opinion should be? Maybe they genuinely think that this whole resolution thing just isn't worth getting all worked up about.

If they actually think that then they're blithering idiots who shouldn't be working in a field that's supposed to be inhabited by enthusiasts. Just look at the videos Digital Foundry released of the XO/PS4 versions on the Fishing in Baku level of Battlefield 4. The improvement in IQ is blatantly obvious, anyone who considers themselves even remotely an enthusiast in the medium should have zero trouble spotting the increased aliasing artifacts in the XO version. Downplaying that is a joke for these sites that are supposed to live and breathe videogames.

Either they've got their MS ad revenue streams at the forefront of their priorities, or they're clueless buffoons who shouldn't be working in the gaming enthusiast field.
 
That is framing a question, with a specific response to try and create a perception. IF they said, "I probably wont notice as much of a difference as others might", that would be different, but that isn't what they are doing. They are presupposing an opinion on the reader, and that is intentional.

The oft-cited Kyle Orland piece at Ars: "Why I'm not too worked up..."

He goes on to say you should look at the video and judge for yourself, and even that if you care about pixels and horsepower, the PS4 is the console for you.

And yet somehow everyone else reads it as "whitewashing" and the ramblings of a paid Microsoft shill.
 
The problem is that both sides tend to be fanatical in their defense of or offense against a certain entity. There is an urge to downplay the conflict in order to appear the logical voice. The closest comparison I can think of is graphics cards, where either side had its adherents. Emotional fanaticism is calmed by the fact that the hardware and software surrounding these items is remarkably accessible, making it easier to benchmark them and dismiss baseless claims of superiority. With consoles, there is a "black box" that allows mystery and confusion to be our 'secret sauce' and magical scalers.

And there's a lot at stake. Many base their gamer identity on their console of choice. It's like choosing your OS preference, hardware maker preference and favorite musical artist or movie studio all rolled into one. How people interact with the controller, OS and exclusive content can form a strong bond.

So, where simple questions like "do you want multiplatform games with higher fidelity?", "which controller do you prefer?", "which exclusives do you care about?" and which online community do you prefer?" turn into answers like "Oh, they'll fix the difference because of hardware/API", "The one has shitty bumpers!", "oh that one will come to both!", and "But the community is shitheads and paywall!"

In truth, the platforms turn out remarkably similar, so when any actual difference emerges that could reasonably drive the purchase is latched onto with great fervor and the "logical voice" has to calm the fires and insist it's insignificant, which is in direct logical contradiction to the fact that superior graphics is one of the primary selling points of the products in the first place.
 
The media's been a joke in this regard for most of the generation. They don't even try to hide their huge preference for one over the other.

This generation? This has been going on for two generations now. The gaming press flat out denied that the the red ring of death existed and completely downplayed it even when Microsoft came out and admitted it was a problem. When Microsoft raised the price of Live mid generation no one batted an eye in the gaming press. Sites like 1UP functioned as Microsoft cheerleaders and it was absolutely blatant.
 
"Image quality still favours the Microsoft platform however: moving to the 360 version after a PS3 session is still like wiping away the grease from a lens." - 880x720 vs 832x624

Vaseline, Grease = 114,432 pixels
Minor, Slight = 1,152,000 pixels

I think something fishy is going on. I just... i can't see what it is... hmmmmm.

Yeah I know. It's almost as if these journalists had no problems stating the obvious advantage for the 360 over the PS3 in regards to many 3rd party multi-platform releases.

But now that PS4 has the distinctive advantage the same journalists don't want shower the same sort of praise and just scoff as a "minor / slight" advantage.

Few months ago, journalists all over the web had no qualms to tear at Microsoft for that always online / DRM stuff that after much deliberation they ultimately relented and reverted.

So what has changed since then to downplay any noticeable PS4 advantage over the XB1 as minor or insignificant. It's this kind of bullshit journalism. I dislike.

When the ad revenue has more seniority over telling the truth and being honest of the fact there is a clear advantage involved. Journalistic integrity is in question and is now a matter of "Is this guy being paid off to minimize the differences between these two consoles running the same game and two different native resolutions"

I don't have any preference, I want a XB1 for Forza and a PS4 for inFamous, but I tire when there seem to be a noticeable bias in usual tech and gaming websites as of late.
 
That's literally what they're doing, and GAF is freaking out about it.

What I see the press saying, "Yes, there is a difference, but in practice you probably won't notice as much as you think you will. Wait and see until you get it in your hands."

What GAF sees them saying: "These two things are literally identical and there is no difference."

On top of that, GAF is confusing op-ed with hard facts. Kyle Orland at Ars says, "this thing doesn't really matter to me that much" in a very clearly marked opinion piece, and everyone here sees it as the entire Ars organization coming out saying that factually the PS4 and XO are identical.

Then they should stop with the comment I've bonded. The rest of the is their opinion - the line ' you probably won't...' Is like asking someone a leading question in a survey.

Good point on comment v editorial tho.
 
That's literally what they're doing, and GAF is freaking out about it.

What I see the press saying, "Yes, there is a difference, but in practice you probably won't notice as much as you think you will. Wait and see until you get it in your hands."

What GAF sees them saying: "These two things are literally identical and there is no difference."

On top of that, GAF is confusing op-ed with hard facts. Kyle Orland at Ars says, "this thing doesn't really matter to me that much" in a very clearly marked opinion piece, and everyone here sees it as the entire Ars organization coming out saying that factually the PS4 and XO are identical.

The problem is that they are saying this after a generation of making a massive deal out of much smaller differences between PS3 and 360. Suddenly when the positions have changed a much larger difference between them is not a big deal.

That's why people have called them out.
 
Why can't the gaming press just report the tech difference and let us determine how much it matters? All I see is (fact that PS4 is 1080p, XB1 is 720p), but (jounalist's opinion that is doesn't matter). Everywhere, ugh. Almost no one wants to come out and just state the facts.

THIS THIS THIS!!!!


Far too often gaming journos inject their--frankly--unwanted opinion in their reporting.

I don't give a damn that you don't think there's a difference between 720p and 1080p. I neither wanted nor asked for your opinion. Just report the facts and let the readers decide what to think.
 

THIS THIS THIS!!!!


Far too often gaming journos inject their--frankly--unwanted opinion in their reporting.

I don't give a damn that you don't think there's a difference between 720p and 1080p. I neither wanted nor asked for your opinion. Just report the facts and let the readers decide what to think.

So, a variety of identical outlets, providing dry specs? What differentiates the "journos"… oh yeah, their unwanted opinions.
 
GAF is the only place I remotely trust when it comes to gaming news, and even that has proven to be a mistake at times. At the very least I'm not instantly confronted with having to doubt the motivations behind the person giving out the information.
 
Then they should stop with the comment I've bonded. The rest of the is their opinion - the line ' you probably won't...' Is like asking someone a leading question in a survey.

Good point on comment v editorial tho.

But the thing is, literally all of this is coming out of the opinion side. Either op-ed pieces or press folks' personal Twitters and Tumblrs. No one is out there reporting as hard news, "There is no difference between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 resolution. We have always been at war with Eastasia."
 

THIS THIS THIS!!!!


Far too often gaming journos inject their--frankly--unwanted opinion in their reporting.

I don't give a damn that you don't think there's a difference between 720p and 1080p. I neither wanted nor asked for your opinion. Just report the facts and let the readers decide what to think.

Is it just COD:GHOSTS or are there other examples of such extreme resolution difference between Xbone & ps4 multiplats?
 
The oft-cited Kyle Orland piece at Ars: "Why I'm not too worked up..."

He goes on to say you should look at the video and judge for yourself, and even that if you care about pixels and horsepower, the PS4 is the console for you.

And yet somehow everyone else reads it as "whitewashing" and the ramblings of a paid Microsoft shill.

The same guy wrote an article saying how bad Vita games would look upscaled to 1080p. And he used a movie watching distance guide and speciously applied it to Videogames.

He's a hypocrite and dishonest.
 
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As true now as it was then.

They have done that for other consoles.

Stupid.
 
So, a variety of identical outlets, providing dry specs? What differentiates the "journos"… oh yeah, their unwanted opinions.

Spot on. If you don't care about opinions and viewpoints, there are plenty of publisher press release feeds you can subscribe to for your news.
 
But the thing is, literally all of this is coming out of the opinion side. Either op-ed pieces or press folks' personal Twitters and Tumblrs. No one is out there reporting as hard news, "There is no difference between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 resolution. We have always been at war with Eurasia."

Except they're leveraging their ability to post on news sites for increased exposure (sans twitter, I could care less that people post on Twitter (See: TimDog)).

These aren't personal blogs - they're posting them on news outlets.
 
I personally dont feel the 180 p difference between bf 4 on ps4 and xbone is wild but i do have some questions about how instead of ms defending the lack of power with technical arguments you have journalists not even mentioning the 100 dollar difference that the technically inferior product is drudging along with it
 
Spot on. If you don't care about opinions and viewpoints, there are plenty of publisher press release feeds you can subscribe to for your news.

There isn't an opinion here. One is 500 one is 400. One is 720p. One is 1080p. Their opinion is it doesn't matter now even though it did matter previously. They're hypocritical and dishonest. And you making up excuses is just as bad.
 
This generation? This has been going on for two generations now. The gaming press flat out denied that the the red ring of death existed and completely downplayed it even when Microsoft came out and admitted it was a problem. When Microsoft raised the price of Live mid generation no one batted an eye in the gaming press. Sites like 1UP functioned as Microsoft cheerleaders and it was absolutely blatant.
Technically that's only one generation as this coming one hasn't even seen its biggest pieces drop, but yes, it's been an ongoing issue for longer than the current generation alone. Since the dawn of console cheerleading, and warfighting perhaps. The kids who grew up with Sega vs. Nintendo are now the majority representative of the gaming press in its modern form, and while money has come into the mix and has corrupted and corroded a fledgling industry, previously existing biases and propensity towards such things didn't help in the slightest.

I certainly remember such BS cropping up in the days of the PS2/GC/Xbox wars. I doubt the gaming press was ever worth a damn, even though there was potential and pretensions to otherwise.
 
Except they're leveraging their ability to post on news sites for increased exposure (sans twitter, I could care less that people post on Twitter (See: TimDog)).

These aren't personal blogs - they're posting them on news outlets.

That's your mistake — assuming that IGN, GameSpot, Polygon, Giant Bomb, et al. are just "news outlets". They're not. They run reviews, features, and, yes, opinion. All clearly marked. Just like every other serious newspaper or magazine in any area of coverage.

Again, if you want just pure news, just sign up for press releases.
 
I think in a vacuum the resolution thing isn't a big deal. However, we don't operate in a vacuum and there are many other things that are also at play here. Resolution is just the literal number of pixels we see and is perhaps the most understood metric to the layman, however, frames per second are being affected and even effects and post processing is being affected as well. All of this for a system that is $100 more expensive, and generally speaking doesn't invest a lot in first party titles. So even the arguement Nintendo and Sony fans fell back on for years, "but the games!", isn't a strong suit for Microsoft. Post launch I think the Xbone may have a serious drought until March when Titanfall is scheduled for release. Where as by March PS4 may have Driveclub, MLB and Infamous plus a large amount of downloadables not coming to Xbone like Transistor and The Witness possibly.

Adding all those things up paints an unattractive picture for the Xbone, and I feel those things aren't being addressed in the media.
 
When you report objective facts that make one side of something look bad, that side tends to accuse you of being biased, even if you're reporting the truth as-is with no slant at all. You see this in politics all the time- it's what Colbert's "reality has a well-known liberal bias" line was referring to. So mainstream media outlets will frequently fall into the trap of downplaying issues that make one side look significantly worse than the other out of fear of being discredited by that side as a liberal rag or Xbot or whatever.
 
So, a variety of identical outlets, providing dry specs? What differentiates the "journos"… oh yeah, their unwanted opinions.

If they want to differentiate themselves, then keep their opinions in their op-eds. I don't need them coloring news stories with their often biased opinions. That's FoxNews tier bullshit.
 
That's your mistake — assuming that IGN, GameSpot, Polygon, Giant Bomb, et al. are just "news outlets". They're not. They run reviews, features, and, yes, opinion. All clearly marked. Just like every other serious newspaper or magazine in any area of coverage.

Again, if you want just pure news, just sign up for press releases.

We want consistency, ethics and integrity. Thanks though for the repeated suggestions that are irrelevant.
 
There isn't an opinion here. One is 500 one is 400. One is 720p. One is 1080p. Their opinion is it doesn't matter now even though it did matter previously. They're hypocritical and dishonest. And you making up excuses is just as bad.

I don't buy the argument that's going around now about how much the press seemed to care about resolution in the previous generation. Other than Digital Foundry, whose bread and butter it is, I don't really recall much hemming and hawing over 720 and 1080 in recent years. If anything, it has been about frame rate.
 
I don't buy the argument that's going around now about how much the press seemed to care about resolution in the previous generation. Other than Digital Foundry, whose bread and butter it is, I don't really recall much hemming and hawing over 720 and 1080 in recent years. If anything, it has been about frame rate.

People care about resolution in every piece of display electronics. Hence why Apple has made billions on retina devices.
 
I'm waiting for one of the bigger sites like IGN or Gamespot to weigh in on this. Either of those would have big effect if they sided with gamers on this.
 
The oft-cited Kyle Orland piece at Ars: "Why I'm not too worked up..."

He goes on to say you should look at the video and judge for yourself, and even that if you care about pixels and horsepower, the PS4 is the console for you.

And yet somehow everyone else reads it as "whitewashing" and the ramblings of a paid Microsoft shill.

From his article:

I can't get too worked up over what seems like an incredibly minor difference in practical graphical output.

Again, framing his opinion with an answer as to why it isnt a big deal.

Then:

we're reaching a point of somewhat diminishing returns when it comes to improving a gaming image just by throwing more pixels at it.

This sentence has implications in it that pixels are all that the differences in resolutions represent in the games we have seen differences in, it also shows a difference in performance potential as well. Again, framing the question with an answer that frames the consoles as performance wise, not enough to matter. The Ps4 shows more potential for performance, not just resolutions, based on what we have seen.

While he says early on that "to him" he isn't worried, he creates a narrative that underplays the differences. Beyond that, if he looked, historically the system with the better/more games wins anyways, so his warning comes across as a reason to lighten the load on the xbox one.

Also, he uses a graph that has been argued to death as inaccurate. There are a lot of people who can see a difference at 7-10 on a 40' TV the differences between 1080p and 720p. Again though, it isn't as simple as more pixels. The performance potential from the Ps4 is greater, so until we see more, you cant say "it probably wont matter", without showing that there is at least a method to the message.

There is no upside of trying to make the differences seem like not a big deal. Creating a narrative that there wont be a noticeable difference is not a help to consumers, when he doesnt know that answer, and all we know is, that the PS4 performs better for multiplat titles.
 
Gamers: 1080p/60FPS here we come, embrace the future!

Games Press: You know, those things don't matter anymore. They did this gen where i bought all my multiplatform games on 360 because they ran a little better, but i've moved on from those metrics

Gamers: what?
 
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