It didn't. Four months ago, he essentially stated that graphics are bound to get better with each generation. That's expected. But people should be putting much more emphasis on what the increase in specs allows developers to do with how the games are played. Referencing 1080p and 60fps was just the quickest way to say "these systems are naturally going to produce better looking games". He could have started talking about direct x, lighting systems, textures, shaders, and all of the other graphical stuff. But saying 1080p/60fps gets the same point across. I highly doubt Sessler expected every single next gen game to run at 60fps.
Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches
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Yeah, it was cross promotion. Anthony Carboni dressed up as a shark and stuff.
please, everyone, stop trying to analyze anyone's opinions of anything related to the next gen consoles at this point.
Literally, EVERYONE IS PAID OFF TO PROMOTE ONE OR THE OTHER.
If they weren't paid off, they wouldn't have an opinion (see: giantbomb).
No, I don't have any proof. Just common sense/tinfoil hat.
Anything Sessler says with regards to 'which console is better?' is going to be laced with something injected by his wallet.
Literally, EVERYONE IS PAID OFF TO PROMOTE ONE OR THE OTHER.
If they weren't paid off, they wouldn't have an opinion (see: giantbomb).
No, I don't have any proof. Just common sense/tinfoil hat.
Anything Sessler says with regards to 'which console is better?' is going to be laced with something injected by his wallet.
If the gate is on Xbox it's probably 720p
digoutyoursoul
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Anyone want coffee? Long night ahead
Quadraphonic
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Except he LITERALLY did say that.
He literally said "They better be 60 frames per second at 1080p"
Mugatu
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Yeah, I do. That doesn't make it at all right. That was my point.
They could run ads, that's fine. But I don't see Brian Williams interrupting the night news on NBC telling me about current Comcast specials.
First off, his 1080p/60fps comment was in June. Second, you're completely misunderstanding the point he was making when saying "they better have 1080p/60fps". The point was never about 1080p/60fps specifically, and more about the fact that Sony and Microsoft were more concerned with demonstrating increased visual fidelity instead of innovative game design.
Mushroomer25
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I was fully convinced this comment was satire until you hit the second to last sentence. That's the point we've hit.
I think he's been doing that for... forever though. It's not a change, it's just he's doing it to an unpopular factual thing. He should acknowledge the specific cases where the PS4 will have better looking multi-platforms. But beyond that, not much.
I loved this panel. I went to both of the ones he did. If the XB1 can deliver better gameplay experiences on it's system despite the resolution, then gameplay > resolution. I'm gonna make excuses and say, the thing he's excusing, is that nobody has these consoles yet. Only the press does, and the online experiences aren't up. And the OS's aren't final. There's a lot that's not final yet. And for us, there's more than enough but for Sessler, it isn't.
I predict that once these things both launch, the floodgates will open. Or rather, maybe, the press will follow along with the gamers narrative.
demosthenes
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You are making a ton of assumptions just like the people that think MS is cutting direct checks to Sessler.
1080p/60FPS does not get lighting, shaders, textures and overall graphical stuff across. It doesn't. You can have a simple game be 1080p/60FPS easily. Having all of the above and more makes it more difficult to be 1080p/60FPS.
Sakura
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I'm aware of the differences in resolution and all that. I just don't understand the significance of the word gate being added to it. Why is it called a resolution gate?
NoirVisage
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thats neither here nor.. anywhere actually..This is the beef: back then the differences were shouted from rooftops..larger differences this gen can barely get a weak meh from the exact same gaming press. Why?
But why is there a need to even compare? XB1 only has shortcomings when compared to the PS4. If the other features of the XB1 convince me to buy it, then I've come to terms that I'll be forgoing that additional resolution. Frankly if it looks like an obvious upgrade from current gen (which it does), then I'm good. I don't need people trying to "educate" me on why my purchase is wrong and how I'm a blind fanboy because of my decision. There are other factors at play now.
To be clear, I know to compare is in the nature of this hobby, it's just needless bickering.
Ninja Scooter
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C'mon people, if Adam Sessler were on the MS payroll, he'd be a lot less miserable. Hell, he'd be Major Nelson.
So his point back then was "If games can't be innovative and new, they better be pretty at 1080p/60FPS"
Now he's saying "Resolution and performance don't matter. Innovation and gameplay design is what counts"
There's no reason why we shouldn't have both innovative games AND 1080p though. That's the big flaw in his argument.
I think his point was that 1080/60fps is the baseline that everyone expects next gen to meet, and that isn't enough by itself to sell consoles. He wanted that baseline in addition to new IP, which I fully agree with. That's not what his argument is now from the sounds of it, he's rolling that minimum baseline expectation way back.
RazielCuts
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Does GAF even play 'games'?
Oh COME ON, Adam! You were the one that poked the bear with your vague childish tweets, you. And instead of holding your hands up, having some humility and saying 'Hey, that was pretty silly of me, eh guys?' you're just going to dig deep and condescend ever more childlike as if we were the ones in the wrong?
Man, I actually used to respect you. What is going on, just take the fall and admit wrong doing. And more importantly, explain the situation. Look at that video Jim Sterling posted today, he's talking about you. Answer him, for all of us.
We simply want the press to report facts without spinning them. Simply saying "ps4 version is this resolution and xbox one version is this resolution."
Adding "But that doesn't matter" can be considered as spinning the overall message.
I mean, would you be a bit upset if someone in the press declared that the "xbox one is done because of this"? Maybe not, but you would disagree, no?
NullPointer
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Agreed!
I'm not seeing much about the consoles, but there are exclusive games on both consoles that can do 1080p/60 fps, right? If I'm not mistaken, Forza 5 on XB1 and Killzone on PS4. So, again, he didn't say it doesn't matter, he just said it wasn't a big important part as game design to him. He just wants to discuss that more than resolution. Not that it doesn't matter.
BigJoeGrizzly
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I sure hope so, because I think something like improved AI and physics is more "next-gen" than simply increasing the resolution. Not to say that I don't expect consoles to improve in graphic fidelity each generation, but all I've seen up to this point early on for next gen (stressing the term "early") are current gen games (with current gen gameplay mechanics) with better graphics. There's got to be more evolution beyond simple visuals to take games to the next level.
shinobi602
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Because they're direct competitors. Game media have a duty to inform consumers of every detail for each, including differences in the games.
Mushroomer25
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Reference to Watergate, and the mainstream media's tendencies since to put -gate at the end of big scandals. FEMA-gate, NSA-gate, etc.
No one is being paid off. The origins of the biases that exist in the media are far more subtle and complicated than a sack of cash.
Glass Shark
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It's much more fun to believe in conspiracies than it is to believe in ignorance or negligence.
It's a common thing to label controversies stemming from the Watergate scandal.
freenudemacusers
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Well, the entertainment and devices division doesn't have a lot of money floating around.
SenjutsuSage
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He still seems to care about that which matters the most, the games themselves. I agree with him entirely that things such as resolution are taking priority due to marketing, something that Microsoft isn't entirely free from blame for of course, and that things such as game design, or how all that extra computational power is being used to make things such as AI better, are far more important.
Resolution is just one aspect of a game, and many would argue it isn't the most important aspect. For those where it's a really big issue, or the biggest issue, period, those people will vote accordingly with their wallets, and that favors a PS4. However, there isn't anything inherently wrong with what Sessler is trying to say, even if people might disagree with him. He's a gamer also. Perhaps as serious a gamer as anybody here. He doesn't work to please any one particular side. He gives his opinions, and people can either accept that opinion, or they don't have to, but sometimes I get the feeling that people think this guy somehow owes us anything more than providing his personal opinion on a particular subject related to gaming. We know what he says isn't the law. It's up to each individual to determine for themselves whether anything he's saying makes any sense to them or not.
It's not some massive cover-up. You can trust that every advantage that the PS4 version of a game has over the Xbox One version for any game of significance this generation will be information that is both known and widely discussed. There's zero doubt about this. It will be put out there, but there will be people who, accurately, feel there are larger, more important considerations than simply what resolution a game is running at. There will be those that feel otherwise, and that's fine too.
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thepotatoman
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weeeeezy, most here get your choice, I certainly do. Your choice isn't the issue nor is anyone who makes the same choice. The issue is, if you are on the fence, all differences should be on the table. The power/ price difference should be pointed out clearly as any other differences should be on ANY competing product. That's not what's happening here. A performance/price difference can/will be a big factor to someone on the fence.
Consumers should know one is cheaper, more powerful and will give the best experience in almost all multiplat games. The media are not being consistent or comepletely honest. Last gen the 360 was touted for it's superior multis. Now it's too early, but as of right now PS4 looks to have superior multis.
Guess what? So far not many hinting about pointing to possible superior multis and even saying a technical difference 1080p native vs 720p and "upresed 720p" is not different AND makes no difference. Making it worse, saying only people pixel counting can see the difference. All you have to do is turn your 360 to 720p and look at the UI and see that's blurrier than when the 360 is set to 1080p. Everytime my ps3 switches to games I see the UI difference.
If you were undecided on any competing product, wouldn't you want all the information before purchase? How would you take a concern of yours being brushed aside without any discussion?
Mushroomer25
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When were these differences "shouted from the rooftops"?
Exactly. People seem to be more interested in turning this than more than it is to satisfy their inner console warrior bloodlust.
boredandlazy
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That's not my point. My point is that it's much easier for people such as Mr Sessler to dismiss the obvious differences in the various versions of the same game if he's not the one ponying up the cash to be able to play it.
Sword Of Doom
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I can't believe the kinds of bullshit these guys are saying. I don't understand why they're so threatened by 1080p vs 720p. Why do they feel the urge to convince everyone it doesn't matter? How is MS being given a free pass for this? The power, or the lack of power of the XB1 will effect everyone as the generations progresses. This is why this issue is important. It will have a direct effect on the limitations of next gen games the same way the amount of RAM current gen consoles have had an effect on current gen games. So it's not fanboy bullshit when people are genuinely concerned about this.
Sakura
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Oh it's an American thing, I see. Had never heard of that practice by media before. Thanks.
Zombie James
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Does GAF even play 'games'?
Talking down to your audience isn't going to help.
This is just another example of the gaming press being a total embarrassment to the industry. It should be the job of the press (any press) to get and report the facts. If something sounds off, like a $399 system significantly outperforming a $499 system, you investigate. Go talk to Infinity Ward and ask them why they couldn't do 1080p on the Xbone (Eurogamer sort of did this). Call up Microsoft and ask them how they got themselves into this position and how they plan to fix it. If they give you bullshit answers, you keep asking more difficult questions. What you don't do is pretend like these problems don't exist or don't matter while at the same time moving the goal-posts. This is almost approaching Fox News-levels of sticking your head in the sand.
Fuck.
Does GAF even play 'games'?
He definitely doesn't deserve the subscribers he's getting, he's full of it.
Wonder what he would do when he can no longer make a living off this (I mean, he complained about his livelihood being threatened by Sony, so I'm guessing he's got nothing else but this).
Metroid-Squadron
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To a lot of people they don't. I know it's not what you guys want to hear but it's true.
He did exactly that though in a video.
demosthenes
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Just watched the June video again.
The point was about that. The point was that Sony/MS are making a big deal about 1080p/60FPS. Sessler says they better be that and that Sony/MS should be talking about other stuff other than that because that should be the standard. Now impress us with NEW THINGS.
ArkkAngel007
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Just curious, but why can we get all up in arms about everything above our dairy holes, but no one in the industry or the media can say a lick?
I don't agree with his...tact, for lack of a better word, but we're no better.
IHaveCandy
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I think it's been pretty obvious that Sessler has been trying to keep things artificially 50/50. Kind of like when there is a Superbowl where one team is clearly better than the other. The media has an invested interest to try and make the game more evenly-matched than it really is.
sleeprockss
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Nowhere does he say that you should buy a Xbox One over a PS4 for multiplatform games or that you should buy an Xbox One over the PS4. At this point you would be ignoring facts to say that the Xbox One's multiplatform games (going off of the precedent of Ghosts and BF4) run better than the PS4's. He's just saying that, yes the ps4 is more powerful but you shouldn't scream doom and gloom for the Xbox One based on it's launch titles. He also points out that at the end of the day games are what matters and just because the Xbox One is less powerful it doesn't mean that there won't be worthwhile experiences on it.
Also I can see how he would change his opinion on every game being 60 fps and 1080p because neither console looks like that's where it's priorities lie. The PS4 seems like it could achieve it for most games but I haven't seen any confirmation of 60 fps for games like Infamous: SS and The Order.
paparazzo
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Oh, the mental gymnastics.
"But it's all about the games!"
No shit. We're comparing the SAME game here. I'm no Sony apologist, but I recall the PS3 being heavily criticized for having inferior ports for a long time and Sony fanboys were laughed at when trying to downplay the differences, and rightly so. The cognitive dissonance is strong here.
"But it's all about the games!"
No shit. We're comparing the SAME game here. I'm no Sony apologist, but I recall the PS3 being heavily criticized for having inferior ports for a long time and Sony fanboys were laughed at when trying to downplay the differences, and rightly so. The cognitive dissonance is strong here.
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