Adam Sessler's: On Xbox One and PS4's Resolutiongate, and Day One Patches

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I do find it interesting his application of PR 101. Take a negative name and create a new name to make it sound positive.

He never mentions any resolution lower than 1080p on XBO. This resolution terms he used were "1080p" and "uprezed 1080p", meaning the new name for 720p and 900p from a PR standpoint is now "uprezed 1080p" or "upscaled 1080p".

I mean if scaling is now what we can call resolutions, I guess I've been playing high definition games since I bought my first HDTV as every single game console I connected from that point forward was upscaled to HD.
 
Claude Kenni said:
I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.
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Thank you for this wonderfully thought out post.
 
madmackem said:
Agreed they are failing to inform the customers and instead we have this it doesnt matter dance, who are they to make up the minds of the customer. Just tell it like it is its like election spin with these people.
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Thanks I guess to me I kind of see it as personal because there was a time not terribly long ago before I read GAF and you realize how many loads of bullshit you had fed to you and it pisses you off.
 
Claude Kenni said:
I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions?
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The press have fair bit more power than any forum goer in terms of speech. The fact that they are held to certain standards among people is probably a good thing.
 
BigDug13 said:
I do find it interesting his application of PR 101. Take a negative name and create a new name to make it sound positive.

He never mentions any resolution lower than 1080p on XBO. This resolution terms he used were "1080p" and "uprezed 1080p", meaning the new name for 720p and 900p from a PR standpoint is now "uprezed 1080p" or "upscaled 1080p".

I mean if scaling is now what we can call resolutions, I guess I've been playing high definition games since I bought my first HDTV as every single game console I connected from that point forward was upscaled to HD.
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wii was hd on my tv, why did nintendo bother with wii u.
 
BigDug13 said:
I do find it interesting his application of PR 101. Take a negative name and create a new name to make it sound positive.

He never mentions any resolution lower than 1080p on XBO. This resolution terms he used were "1080p" and "uprezed 1080p", meaning the new name for 720p and 900p from a PR standpoint is now "uprezed 1080p" or "upscaled 1080p".

I mean if scaling is now what we can call resolutions, I guess I've been playing high definition games since I bought my first HDTV as every single game console I connected from that point forward was upscaled to HD.
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Right.
Joe duder: I heard the PS4 can do 1080p
Ms:hello joe, so can the xboxone, it just does it in different way :D
 
W!CKED said:
Upscaling will always be inferior compared to 1:1 pixel mapping. People need to understand this. Especially in combination with ppAA like FXAA. Sessler named "BluRay" and "marketing' but he completely ignores that BluRay movies are produced in 4k or even 8k resolution and then resampled to 1080p. That's why the image quality of these pictures is flawless. Upscaling is the complete opposite, it destroys the image quality.

This isn't about "1080p". It's about avoiding upscaling for the sake of a decent image quality. I'm totally fine with The Order not rendering with 1080p because they still have 1:1 pixel mapping. 1:1 pixel mapping is all I want.

Microsoft fucked up everything. They force Kinect on us with the result that everything gaming related is completely fucked up. It was Microsoft's decision to go with eSRAM + DDR3 so start blaming them and stop acting as if the consumer is just to stupid to see the secret voodoo power behind this magical concept. This FUD train needs to stop! 720p is crap. It is unacceptable for a $500 console!
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What is this. Come on.
 
daman824 said:
Like he's going to openly talk about what really happened?

I can see it now "MS included this really hard to understand bottleneck called ESRAM and we couldn't optimize it in time to get it running at 900p. So we dropped the resolution to hit the framerate goal."

And Rubin also said that textures look better at 720p than they do at 1080p. You think he's telling the truth there too?
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He didnt say the textures look better he said some people have said, he was pretty honest in the eurogamer interview yesterday, it didnt seem like a time issue at all and they have a ms engineer on site throughout development.
 
BigDug13 said:
I do find it interesting his application of PR 101. Take a negative name and create a new name to make it sound positive.

He never mentions any resolution lower than 1080p on XBO. This resolution terms he used were "1080p" and "uprezed 1080p", meaning the new name for 720p and 900p from a PR standpoint is now "uprezed 1080p" or "upscaled 1080p".

I mean if scaling is now what we can call resolutions, I guess I've been playing high definition games since I bought my first HDTV as every single game console I connected from that point forward was upscaled to HD.
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hah, yeah uprezed 1080p don't sound that bad. 720p? resolution gap.jpg
 
Said it before a few times, but I'll reiterate here.

1080p The ideal until 4K is practical.

900p Very acceptable.

720p, Playable, not a deal breaker, but not the ideal.

As for the idea that it's an impossible standard, eh, no. That's not to say it's easy peasy, but if a console is having to go down to 720p already, it could be a little bit of a problem long term.
 
peterb0y said:
What is this. Come on.
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What? If they had gone with GDDR5 and the same die size they would have had more GPU compute than the PS4. They choose this setup, to the detriment of games.

Throw out the Kinect stuff, and bam, same or lower price and a better games machine.
 
jadedm17 said:
1 minute of self-promotion
3 minutes of talking
.5 minutes of promoting netflix
1.5 minutes of talking
.5 minutes of self-promotion

This is the future? wtf
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So you wouldn't promote your sponsors or your other work you have out there, the one being in question a thank you regarding the charity drive they just did?
 
madmackem said:
wii was hd on my tv, why did nintendo bother with wii u.
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Yeah, why did they even bother? They should have just sold us the Wii again with a gamepad. Hell, according to Sess's logic here, Microsoft should have just repackaged a slightly more powerful 360 and sold it with Kinect 2 this generation ala Gamecube-to-Wii because who gives a shit.
 
peterb0y said:
What is that post even saying in the context of this thread though.
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I interpret it as: Microsoft is at fault for delivering a sub-par games console. So they deserve the criticism from the people that care about getting the best possible games at the price.

If they had gone with a more gaming focused platform these defenses of "nobody can see the difference, at most it's negligible" wouldn't be needed.
Edit: We know at least in some instances that these are disingenuous statements, based on past statements. Or look at Patrick Klepek that changed his tune within 12 hours.
 
madmackem said:
He didnt say the textures look better he said some people have said, he was pretty honest in the eurogamer interview yesterday, it didnt seem like a time issue at all and they have a ms engineer on site throughout development.
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"I asked if Xbox One would achieve 1080p with the next installment in the series. "Very possibly. We put new technology into this game before we even had the consoles. So we had no idea how well that technology was going to work on the consoles. Now that we are finally getting the consoles we can start optimizing those features better. So I imagine... for an example, if you look at Call of Duty 2 over Call of Duty 4, which was our next game, it’s a significant improvement.

“The analogy I've used in several interviews is… the first game on a console is sort of like a first date. It’s very awkward as you try to learn what each other’s interests are. That’s how making a new game on a console is.”

The reason Rubin gives for the difference in resolution, then, is unfamiliar architecture and the optimization process to maintain that 60 frames per second experience." -- from IGN

Sounds pretty clear to me. Will they hit 1080p on their next try? Maybe. Cod isn't a graphical showcase by any stretch of the imagination. But Rubin clearly stated that that 720p was due to optimization issues. And based on certain insider information (CBOAT). It's currently a lot harder to optimize games on the the xb1 than it is to optimize them on the ps4 due to a moderately confusing memory setup.
 
NinjamicWZ said:
Yeah, why did they even bother? They should have just sold us the Wii again with a gamepad. Hell, according to Sess's logic here, Microsoft should have just repackaged a slightly more powerful 360 and sold it with Kinect 2 this generation ala Gamecube-to-Wii because who gives a shit.
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That's not what Sessler is saying at all.
 
This guy has been defending MS and XB1 since the first day of its unveiling even with all of their anticonsumer policies and DRM.Is anyone really surprised that graphic differences suddenly don't matter to him anymore?

Also i like how the majority of gaming press was so eager to point the graphical differences of multiplatform titles this gen (when the 360 had the advantage) but now that the tables have turned differences don't matter anymore,"it's all about the gamez!"Yes Cinemablend was spot on with the term Doritocracy describing the state of games journalism.
 
sublimit said:
This guy has been defending MS and XB1 since the first day of its unveiling even with all of their anticonsumer policies and DRM.Is anyone really surprised that graphic differences suddenly don't matter to him anymore?

Also i like how the gaming press was so eager to point the graphical differences of multiplatform titles this gen (when the 360 had the advantage) but now that the tables have turned differences don't matter anymore,"it's all about the gamez!"Yes Cinemablend was spot on with the term Doritocracy describing the state of games journalism.
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Sess= all games media. Come on man.
 
BigJonsson said:
Last gen they touted the HD generation, there is no reason not to be at 1080p now
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Yes, there was a clear critical dismissal of many Wii games due to the graphical differences between it and the 360/PS3.

Which is part why a lot of the "graphics don't matter" platitudes ring false. At best, you can say they don't matter once they get to a certain point.
 
daman824 said:
That's not what Sessler is saying at all.
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I know what he's saying and where it goes. Trains of thought need to be rode to the station. What he's saying is that resolution doesn't matter, and by saying that he's saying that tech doesn't matter, but gameplay and game design does... but what he doesn't seem to realize is how much creative freedom a lack of limitations affords the design process.
 
Claude Kenni said:
I have no idea why so many here are developing a persecution complex in regards to the PS4 and gaming journalism. You're the majority, what reason is there to constantly look for and often imagine ways that you think your stance isn't being expressed enough by people who are free to have their own opinions? It seems every day now that an article or journalist's opinion will be posted here and get mobbed for not praising the PS4 enough. Many times the stance will be wildly misinterpreted and that misinterpretation will be ran with. People are acting like there's a steady stream of journalists saying that the power difference "doesn't matter" when I don't know if I've actually seen that said a single time.

When the power of the consoles is discussed it seems that anything less than unrealistically glowing praise of the PS4 is perceived as "downplaying the power difference". Oftentimes the very reasonable opinion is expressed by a gaming site that the obsession some have with the power difference is a bit overblown in regards to determining how much each console will sell. Yet this stance is never considered and saying anything even close to it is written off as "bias" or apologism. Any attempt to discuss the power difference in a wider context where it's treated as anything less than the most important thing ever is immediately discounted. I'm not sure how anybody could not see how out of control the focus on power on this site is. Sure it's worth discussing and a big issue but it's simply not something worth discussing more than everything else combined.

The accusations of bias are becoming completely out of control. There's simply no reason for such a bias to exist in the vast majority of cases people are claiming there is. It's making discussion of articles very difficult as many members here feel a need for every opinion posted to absolutely line up to their own and any attempt to challenge a narrative that has been established here is shut down immediately. That discourages critical thinking, I'm not sure why so many desire views to be homogenized to align with their own when there are multiple valid ways of thinking in nearly every situation. There is no conspiracy in the media to favor one console-maker and thinking such a thing borders on craziness. I welcome diverse views and it's a real shame that some here don't.
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I agree thats why I stay out of these threads like the plague, surprise stuff like this doesn't get locked when it gets out of hand, lol. good post.
 
It is not about 720p vs 1080p, or 30FPS vs 60FPS. Those are design choices. It is about which console gives the developers the better set of design choices to pick from. Adam Sessler does not realize that if a developer wanted to, they could reduce the resolution of a PS4 1080p game down to 720p and use the freed up power on more of the things that he says he wants like AI and animations. The resolution is simply an indicator of the relative power of the two consoles.

It is like he is reviewing two cars where the first car could reach the beach on a tank of gas, while the other could only make it to the local museum. He then obsesses over the fact that he'd rather go to the museum anyway and fails to mention that the first car had a much farther driving range, and could go to the museum if it needed to.

The fact is that the PS4 has more capabilities than the XB1. The market will decide the best ways for those capabilities to be used. If the public values resolution then that is where most of the resources will go. If on the other hand the public values better AI, sound, 3D goggles... then those capabilities will get more of the console's power. No matter what that choice ends up being, the PS4 has more computing power to devote to it.

If you are reviewing game consoles for viewers that will be making buying decision this holiday season, then the relative hardware strengths of the consoles is the best criteria to use. To apologize for any current known console deficiencies with the hope that some mythical games will come out a year from now to compensate for those deficiencies is not journalism. It is fantasy.
 
daman824 said:
Sounds pretty clear to me. Will they hit 1080p on their next try? Maybe. Cod isn't a graphical showcase by any stretch of the imagination. But Rubin clearly stated that that 720p was due to optimization issues. And based on certain insider information (CBOAT). It's currently a lot harder to optimize games on the the xb1 than it is to optimize them on the ps4 due to a moderately confusing memory setup.
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I figured they might possibly hit 1080p next time, until Mort said what he did about what's possibly happening to the series starting next year. Now I'm not sure at all.
 
Brashnir said:
Post of the year. That shit is making GAF practically unreadable.
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The question is, will it be more or less unreadable in a year when the Xbox One has pulled ahead of the PS4 in sales and GAF angrily tries to figure out why the more powerful console hasn't emerged the clear winner?

FranXico said:
In his XPlay days, all he did was trash the PS3 and PSP.
I don't think he changed, he just happened to be on "the right side" at that time.
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Absolute bullshit. Adam gave glowing reviews to Sony exclusives on a regular basis, and was a tremendous fan and supporter of Ratchet & Clank (and Insomniac in general), Sly Cooper, Team Ico, Uncharted (and Naughty Dog in general), and many of the smaller indie projects Sony supported through the years, especially ThatGameCompany's work.
 
daman824 said:
Sessler would not make the same conclusions you made in your previous post. In fact, your post was pretty hyperbolic.
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No it wasn't. Tech doesn't matter = Tech doesn't matter. Respectfully, I can't argue with you about What Would Sessler Do because I'm a non-believer.
 
MattKeil said:
The question is, will it be more or less unreadable in a year when the Xbox One has pulled ahead of the PS4 in sales and GAF angrily tries to figure out why the more powerful console hasn't emerged the clear winner?
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you think xbox one will outsell ps4 within a year?
 
peterb0y said:
Sess= all games media. Come on man.
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He's the epitome of the current state of affairs among much of it, however.

Don't let his occasional feel-good rant fool you, he's been a professional ball washer for Microsoft for a decade now. His continued asshattery doesn't surprise me, but what has surprised is the reaction of most of the media after the XBONE reveal, E3, the 180, and every piece of news up until today.

Everything from "We don't know the full story" to "secret sauce" to "why are people preordering the PS4?" to outright defense of the DRM, then applause at the 180, to "have you seen Titanfall?", etc. until today with "resolution doesn't matter".

Microsoft is deeply ingrained in the videogames media, be it through the media's desire for a close battle, individual writers being devout fans of XBOX, or straight cash money. I really don't give a shit why it is the way it is because the end result is the same - useless "journalism".

The XBOX ONE costs $100 more than, and is significantly less powerful than, the PS4.
The media is tripping over itself t downplay that simple fact, and it's pathetic.
 
MattKeil said:
Absolute bullshit. Adam gave glowing reviews to Sony exclusives on a regular basis, and was a tremendous fan and supporter of Ratchet & Clank (and Insomniac in general), Sly Cooper, Team Ico, Uncharted (and Naughty Dog in general), and many of the smaller indie projects Sony supported through the years, especially ThatGameCompany's work.
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We're talking about when he was in XPlay, and by the way you can see here how much they respected and supported ThatGameCompany's work.
 
Papercuts said:
Sessler never said tech doesn't matter.
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Sure he did, by building his entire philosophical point here on game design/development and gameplay not benefitting from a lack of limitations and ease of development that are indicated by the ease of which resolution and framerate standards are achieved. It shows a complete lack of understanding and vision.
 
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bigboss370 said:
you think xbox one will outsell ps4 within a year?
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it's a possibility, especially seeing as how journous seem to downplay the bone's lack of power/the fact it's $100 more and we can't forget they write the
professional/unbiased
articles the masses read.
 
NinjamicWZ said:
No it wasn't. Tech doesn't matter = Tech doesn't matter. Respectfully, I can't argue with you about What Would Sessler Do because I'm a non-believer.
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Actually yes it was. He never said tech didn't matter. He argued that when a company releases a game console that is ten times stronger than the last one they released, the talk shouldn't only be about what a dev can do to maximize graphics. The talk should be about how a dev can use that power to better their games design. For example, Uncharted and The Last of Us were both incredibly linear. If ND wanted to, they could now open the next installments of both franchises up quite a bit (something that would greatly benefit TLOU imo) while still creating a great looking game. And BF4 console multiplayer now has 64 players making the console version finally worth someones time. Imagine what developers like Bethesda could do with the increase in power for the next fallout or elder scrolls games. Better animations, larger areas, less loading when going outside/inside, more populated cities, larger cities, ect..

While you may or may not agree with him, his point is that we should expect a large improvement in game design this coming generation, and that instead of putting such a large emphasis on resolution (GAME IS UNPLAYABLE IF NOT 1080p!), we should focus on how the developers (both first party and third party) will make better games with the increased power. And I don't think he's even comparing the xb1 and ps4 in this regard. He's saying that no matter what happens with the resolutions for games on both consoles, the games will easily be a step up in the graphics department so we need to pressure developers to improve their games in ways that aren't quite as popular on sites such as GAF.

There are a few flaws in his argument, but he had to make it in a short amount of time and plans on elaborating later so I'll cut him some slack.
 
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