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[NotSaladin]

Wrong in what way? That he would rather have a developer use the extra power to better a games design than its resolution?

Let it go. You are now bringing this thread back round in full circle.

He is wrong because he is making an incorrect comparison / argument. Multi-platform games are the same in terms of games design, nothing alters so why even bring that up. The games are meant to be identical, but one is unable to achieve that in terms of resolution.

 

[RaikuHebi]

On a side note I love the idea someone came up with of a weekly Gaf podcast going over the weeks news/issues, get some good posters on their who are willing to discuss it seriously, bring up well put posts and it could be a real useful tool to show that Gaf isn’t just a ball of hate.

I would love it. That way we can compete with them directly, rather than being talked down to.

 

[chickdigger802]

With the power advantage games could play better on the PS4.

True... but i don't think theres been an announced game where its like 30 vs 60fps for xbox vs ps4.

 

[Bronetta]

I stop listening to this joker when he said PS4 cost the same as X1 when you add the camera and plus but don't add x box live .
The same can be said for the rest of the gaming press they have become a joke and this year it's only gotten worst .

I stopped when he was faux outraged over a trophy name in God of War: Ascension.

 

[Owzers]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

I'm in agreement with the person who said Sessler is turning heel.

 

[R-User!]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

Is this basically a, "I KNOW how to do MY job! I've been doing it for 15 YEARS! Don't tell ME how to do my fucking job!!!" response?

Really?...

 

[Atrophis]

So it seems that "up-ressed 1080p" is the latest new spin/rhetoric for 720p games? I wonder how long this one will last.

5 billion transistors > infinite powah of the cloud > BALANCE > "thetruthwillcomeoutjustyouwait!" > Xbone games run in

Spoiler

up-ressed

1080p!!

….what's next? lol.

I rolled my eyes so hard at that. Upressed 1080p is 1080p source upressed to a higher resolution. It is upressed 720p no matter which way you squint.

EDIT: 15 years and he still doesn't understand resolution. Maybe he needs some time off to study.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

So it seems that "up-ressed 1080p" is the latest new spin/rhetoric for 720p games? I wonder how long this one will last.

5 billion transistors > infinite powah of the cloud > BALANCE > "thetruthwillcomeoutjustyouwait!" > Xbone games run in

Spoiler

up-ressed

1080p!!

….what's next? lol.

The Xbox One has entered a marketing agreement with Heinz 57, for their many varieties of special sauce.

 

[Shahed]

Haha of course. Books have a lot of problems obviously, but I'm hating Universal right now for putting the movie into whatever development hell that The Last Guardian fell into.

Maybe in another Age. Let the Last Guardian ride again, on the winds of time

 

[x-Lundz-x]

New MisterX spin : Each display plane has 1,3 TFLops...

God... I'm dying right here reading that stuff...

LOL wut.

Edit:
Why do I go to that site...geezus it's like a bunch of 10 year old run that place. My brain just hurts now.

 

[daman824]

Let it go. You are now bringing this thread back round in full circle.

He is wrong because he is making an incorrect comparison / argument. Multi-platform games are the same in terms of games design, nothing alters so why even bring that up. The games are meant to be identical, but one is unable to achieve that in terms of resolution.

Sure, thats the biggest flaw in his argument. But that doesn't mean he isn't making some good points. I think it just comes down to what we should view as next generation gaming.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

Yeah, great point.

But we're talking about a game. The same game on both systems.

One looks way better.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I would love it. That way we can compete with them directly, rather than being talked down to.

Evilore sanctioned GAFcast (blast from the past)
GAFcast Episode 18, 03/02/2010 - "Holy Shit They Actually Made Another One" edition

sorry for the OT. Helping these guys out.

 

[Nymphae]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

No one is saying games don't matter, why is this even being brought up as a retort to someone complaining about resolution? Some people also think console power and resolution DO matter.

 

[Dragon]

Maybe in another Age. Let the Last Guardian ride again, on the winds of time

Don't make me balefire you.

 

[bluehat9]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

Exactly. So say a multiplat is the same except for the resolution/graphics. Now does it matter? Sessler apparently still says no? He'll buy it play it on xbox?

We're not talking about exclusives here. If you want xbox exclusives, get it over the pc/ps4 and have fun. Just don't tell me that a multiplat is same/that no one cares/it doesn't really matter in the end/ and downplay the difference when one has a clear graphical advantage over the other while everything else in the game (including gameplay) is the same. Especially when you and everyone else was falling over themselves to point out any and all graphic differences last gen.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

Seriously, comments like that are incredibly irksome. (Also part of why I dislike twitter.)

If he wants to engage in a discussion about topics, engage in a fucking discussion. Don't just casually dismiss people's critique of your comments with some terribly flawed argument from [non-existing] authority.

It's why the repeated use of the word journalist in this thread makes me lol. These people aren't journalists, they're just enthusiasts who happened to luck into bully pulpit.

 

[mr teaspoon]

Again, how accusations of bias relate to this specific circumstance is of far less importance to me than addressing the claim in your post, which struck me as rather bizarre in that it seemed to suggest that bias is something that only affects children.

Why did you only quote the part before I addressed that I didn't think Sessler was that kind of guy? Did you choose to call me out on something that I specifically addressed after the quoted text because you failed to read after that sentence or because you wanted to attempt some sort of "gotcha" quoting taken out of context?

Neither, it just didn't focus on my main point, which is that Sessler isn't being biased in this instance.

I'm not saying Sessler is that kind of person, I was responding to the false notion that "that kind of person doesn't exist in society among anyone who has reached high school level" because that kind of person most certainly exists.

I'll rephrase: that kind of mindset is rare among professionals. I'm not at all claiming that random YouTubers and consumers can't or don't think like that, but among proper gaming journalism I think it is rare. And I know that's subjective, so somebody will disagree and point to X writer on X website as proof, but it's so easy to identify. C'mon, if somebody is carrying water for a company that shit is identifiable from a mile away. Although you aren't accusing him, how anybody could listen to Sessler's rationale for why this isn't a big deal and think it's coming from a place of 'I heart Xbox' is just silly.

 

[kaching]

Adam Sessler makes a great point. It is ultimately about the games and how they play. Resolution is just one of many factors.

It's an obvious, unnecessary point to make though. It's not like there won't be plenty of talk about how the games actually play once people can get their hands on them.

 

[Raist]

The irony is that if you tell MS or the "it doesn't matter" crowd that we're having 720p vs 1080p and that's a big deal, they'll be quick to "correct" you and say "but it's upscaled! you're still getting 1080p!".

That in itself is quite telling. It shouldn't matter if it's upscaled, no? Since resolution is not important at all. Be proud of your 720p guys. It's games that matter.

 

[pompidu]

Neither, it just didn't focus on my main point, which is that Sessler isn't being biased in this instance.



I'll rephrase: that kind of mindset is rare among professionals. I'm not at all claiming that random YouTubers and consumers can't or don't think like that, but among proper gaming journalism I think it is rare. And I know that's subjective, so somebody will disagree and point to X writer on X website as proof, but it's so easy to identify. C'mon, if somebody is carrying water for a company that shit is identifiable from a mile away. Although you aren't accusing him, how anybody could listen to Sessler's rationale for why this isn't a big deal and think it's coming from a place of 'I heart Xbox' is just silly.

because it is a big deal. its been 8years and the best you can muster is 720p? even worse than that is people who try to justify it.

 

[Perkel]

The thing that annoys me is that they somehow fail to mention that a higher/fps is a product of stronger hardware. It's not a result of " resolution chip" or special sauce. The cpu/gpu/ram combo is simply better. How they use that extra power is up to the dev.

If a game runs at 720p on the ps4 it will probably be able to have:

Better aa
More effects
More polys
Better physycs
Higher fps

than the same game running at 720p on the xbox one

It isn't really only that. With more time PS4 games will be able to do simply more things at better resolution.

For example PS4 has waaaaaay better GPGPU capabilities with time gap will just widen instead of closing.

10% boost via firmware upgrade on ~2Tf hardware is moer than 10% boost via firmware on 1,3Tf hardware.

Tools will get better, devs will start to use GPGPU and gap will be bigger with each year.

 

[crazygambit]

We have seen 2 games at the very beginning of the gen! The systems aren't even out yet. Let's revisit this in a year and then the indignation would hold more water for me. MS has a lot to prove; let's see if they can deliver. If not, I will be right there with the rest of you. I don't want to hear that they can't improve, etc...let things play out is all I am saying.

That's all well and good, but if you're on the market for a next gen console now can you really afford to give MS the benefit of the doubt? Plus we know the specs already, there's no amount of secret sauce that can magically close the gap.

People in the media like Sessler are supposed to be consumer advocates, not informing their audiences of the pretty substantial difference in specs and multiplat games right now between both consoles, or trying to downplay them seems a bit shady IMO.

 

[Vagabundo]

Yeah, great point.

But we're talking about a game. The same game on both systems.

One looks way better.

there is really no contesting that the PS4 has the better IQ/resolution etc.

To some people resolution just doesn't matter and to other's they will make it not matter, because they are invested in their console of choice.

I can;t wait for launch day and I'm not getting either...lol

 

[mrklaw]

It's important to understand MS did not get into game consoles simply to sell games consoles and games. The move was a Trojan Horse (and an open one it's not like they didn't discuss this in interviews and there have been plenty of articles on it) to get into the living room with their devices, software, standards, etc.

The XB1 is the reflection of that goal made most clear - and it's pretty obvious they designed it trying to balance supporting games with a lot of media content and other functions plus having mandatory Kinect for gesture/voice based UI navigation and control (and to be honest I think they're more interested in Kinect for interface than games).

Sony took a bloody nose with PS3 shoving media content like BR in it early and pushing up the price and to be honest the PS4 is the reflection of an approach more in line with the 360 - how do we cram in the most gaming power while keeping cost low?

The 360 was a strong console but it was a temporary direction aimed at gaining marketshare vs Sony and winning the gaming crowd over they'd failed to with the Xbox.

Clearly MS felt the 360 had done its work and the next console could be designed around their broader goals vs games as a priority.

I mean the XB1 is still a very decent games console - the problem for MS is just that Sony seem (on specs and initial multi-games) to have developed a better game console.

I agree that is what they've tried to do. But they jumped too soon IMO.

Also, I'm curious what Xbox one could do media-wise that PS4 couldn't? You build a weak gaming box, you can have media and games. You build a strong gaming box, you can have media and better games. Media isn't resource intensive anymore.

And Sony don't ignore media either. While MS are chasing live TV pass through, Sony have already had DVRs in the market with PS3 (and will continue with Nasne on PS4 in Japan). They're looking into IPTV.

It isn't a case of 'sony is just doing games'. Both are going for the same living room spot, Sony just happens to be focusing the discussion on games right now.

 

[tinfoilhatman]

Apparently people with little kids like it.

The media stuff is the part that's the real joke. Gimping the architecture for the sake of cable box pass through is so MS LTTP. They launched the Zune just before iPod type device sales started to sag. They launched Surface way late in the tablet game. Now they launch a $500 + $60/year upkeep multimedia device in a world where cable subs are declining and you can get most of that other media stuff on your TV directly or from a $99 and under device with no subscription required.

Agreed, the only way I'm getting an X1 is if they release a version 2.0 with faster RAM\GPU and then use dynamic resolution(based on frame rate) or hardware profiles(like mobile devices) to determine what rez and features to run the game with based on what version of Xbox it's running on.

Beyond that I'm staying away from X1 and this is coming from someone who had a OG Xbox and 360 on day 1

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

wow. Unfuckin'believable.

 

[Iorv3th]

there is really no contesting that the PS4 has the better IQ/resolution etc.

To some people resolution just doesn't matter and to other's they will make it not matter, because they are invested in their console of choice.

I can;t wait for launch day and I'm not getting either...lol

It matters to everyone. Some people act like it doesn't because they are invested in live, or they prefer the controller or something. Which is a legitimate reason to get the xbox one, but don't act like suddenly the power does not matter, if that where the case we wouldn't need to upgrade consoles at all.

 

[deputyspade]

That's all well and good, but if you're on the market for a next gen console now can you really afford to give MS the benefit of the doubt? Plus we know the specs already, there's no amount of secret sauce that can magically close the gap.

People in the media like Sessler are supposed to be consumer advocates, not informing their audiences of the pretty substantial difference in specs and multiplat games right now between both consoles, or trying to downplay them seems a bit shady IMO.

Sessler has been extremely shady since E3. He was a guest judge at some Micorosoft event not long after E3. He seems to keep his criticism for them hidden so he can keep enjoying his "perks".

 

[TatteredHat]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

Time to add Sessler to the Gies-list, I suppose.

 

[$h@d0w]

@AdamSessler: "I don't give a shit"

 

[nynt9]

I am sure it has something to do w/ bandwidth and ESRAM, but if Titanfall is as amazing as it looks will people really forgo that experience because of 720p?

Personally I will, considering I have a PC and I can play it at 1080p or even higher, the game engine permitting.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

goddamn ;0
she went straight into bobsled mode after that blow..

oh my god I laughed my balls off with this comment, lol

 

[Impeccable]

Why would these people give a shit? People will read their shit no matter what and are getting their bank accounts stuffed in the process.

Win-win for these "journalists". Disheartening.

 

[Hyunashi]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

lol disagreeing on opinions = irrational hate
Its like he is taking a Im-right-you're-wrong approach in that his opinion is the only logical one :lol

The big question: How long till he is on Gies level?

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Wait, I thought after Sessler's little temper tantrum regarding not getting a free PS4 he was quitting all of this?

 

[dugdug]

Time to add Sessler to the Gies-list, I suppose.

Damn. Sess got GIESED.

 

[Azriell]

I can't tell if Sessler is being an apologist or if he actually believes this shit.

Sessler blames the attention being paid to the resolution discrepancy on companies for using "1080p" as a buzzword, and states that in the past nobody cared about resolution (I suppose this is true since there were different resolutions for PS1 games and I never heard anybody mention it back in the day). The fact that we have a name for this problem is not a bad thing, and it is not the source of the fervor. The speculation (and I say speculation only because we haven't seen the final game running side-by-side on final hardware yet) is that you will see a noticeable difference between the two versions of CoD (and others, but this is my focus for the moment). Back in the day we would have said one version looks crisper/clearer/sharper/better or blurrier/blockier/jaggier/shittier. A lot of console gamers probably weren't aware of exactly what resolution was (I distinctly remember being confused by the 16:9 option in Goldeneye and why anyone would want to play with half the screen blacked, and also learning about aliasing and AA in Game Informer), but that doesn't mean they couldn't see the shit on their screen. Similarly, I remember some people were impressed and excited when certain games starting doing 480p on PS2 (I was again confused).

Sessler then goes on to say how resolution doesn't really matter, it's all about games and game design and more subtle things like AI. I completely agree, but it's not like Sony put a useless 1080p chip into their console. It's doing 1080p because the hardware is more powerful, and the hardware will always be more powerful, and it will probably always cost the less or the same as the weaker XB1. And as for game design and aesthetics and such being the real important things: third-party exclusives are only a thing at launch anymore. Just about every PS4 game will be on XB1. Just about every XB1 game will be on PS4. Sessler's assertion that resolution doesn't matter is poorly informed, because in a few years most games are probably going to be the same on both consoles except for higher fps/resolution on PS4. If everything is the same then resolution is literally the ONLY thing that matters.

This isn't an issue that's going to go away. MS is stuck with weaker hardware for this generation, and they have to make the best of it. But what's worse is all the mixed messaging people are getting as they get ready to go out and buy their $400-500 console, probably the only one they'll have this gen (Nintendo says please buy a WiiU as well). Games press should be representing this issue better so as to better inform as many people as possible.

 

[qirex]

Moneyhats/Doritos aside there's another angle that pretty much all media does, which is that a close fight is more interesting to readers. The mainstream press was calling Cory Booker/Steve Lonegan a "close race" when Lonegan never polled less than 10% behind Booker.

A competitive console space means more page views/ad impressions so in addition to not wanting to lose Microsoft press privileges game writers also have a stake in making this a "war."

 

[le.phat]

New MisterX spin : Each display plane has 1,3 TFLops...

God... I'm dying right here reading that stuff...

KEEP DIGGING

Wow... that´s amazing stuff! 3x D-planes with 1.6TFlops each... resulting in 4.8.
Hmmm... local cloud with my Windows 8 PC? Would be nice!

i have to admit, i visit that place almost daily. I think i found my fetish....

 

[Cow Goes Moo]

Does he open most of these types of videos, with "fanboy wars"?

 

[Nymphae]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

wow lol.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Maybe it's the fact that MS is hooking him up that he doesn't want to speak negatively about the Xbox One. It's really not that hard to figure out why he is being so careful about his language towards the weaknesses of the system in comparison to the PS4. If he removes his bias and speaks the truth, then he probably feels he'll lose his favor with MS and lose his perks.

Unfortunately many in the gaming journalism world are too tainted with early access and hookups from publishers and console makers to even make an unbiased review.

Are there any unbiased sites nowadays who won't sell their soul for dollars and speak the truth (other than GAF of course).

I def think a review site on here would be great since bias would quickly be pointed out.

 

[Philthy]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

I think it has more to do with the people in the thread not having much criticism other than some expletive expletive Sessler xplay bloobloo expletive sell out Morgan Webb was hotter expletive bloo bloo.

Bandwagons on an internet forum are always a mess. You can't give a shit at that point. None of it is legit beyond a few rational posters.

 

[Mael]

I can't tell if Sessler is being an apologist or if he actually believes this shit.

Sessler blames the attention being paid to the resolution discrepancy on companies for using "1080p" as a buzzword, and states that in the past nobody cared about resolution (I suppose this is true since there were different resolutions for PS1 games and I never heard anybody mention it back in the day).

BULL SHIT.
I was there and so were many people.
The jump to 640 x 480 was widely advertised as was the jump to HD.
If anything the 1080p resolution target is less advertised than 8/16/64 bits/HD buzzwords were ever used.

 

[Zombie James]

Sessler's comment on this thread and subject:

"@AdamSessler: well @kanaye_ I've been doing this for 15 years. After the first 10 years of irrational hate you just say "I don't give a shit"

Irrational hate? Whu.. What? That's not how you spell criticism.

 

[Marleyman]

Maybe it's the fact that MS is hooking him up that he doesn't want to speak negatively about the Xbox One. It's really not that hard to figure out why he is being so careful about his language towards the weaknesses of the system in comparison to the PS4. If he removes his bias and speaks the truth, then he probably feels he'll lose his favor with MS and lose his perks.

Unfortunately many in the gaming journalism world are too tainted with early access and hookups from publishers and console makers to even make an unbiased review.

Are there any unbiased sites nowadays who won't sell their soul for dollars and speak the truth (other than GAF of course).

I def think a review site on here would be great since bias would quickly be pointed out.

What perks would he be getting from MS?

 

[Polioliolio]

I always liked Adam, but he does seem quite hypocritical here.

 

[daman824]

I think it has more to do with the people in the thread not having much criticism other than some expletive expletive Sessler xplay bloobloo expletive sell out Morgan Webb was hotter expletive bloo bloo.

Bandwagons on an internet forum are always a mess. You can't give a shit at that point. None of it is legit beyond a few rational posters.

Yep.

 

[RaikuHebi]

BULL SHIT.
I was there and so were many people.
The jump to 640 x 480 was widely advertised as was the jump to HD.
If anything the 1080p resolution target is less advertised than 8/16/64 bits/HD buzzwords were ever used.

It's still kind of out there though. Don't TVs still have HD1080/FULLJD stickers on them?