Go watch RWBY. It's better than walking dead, but the awful voice acting and anime-isms are enough to make it seem worse at times.
I liked RWBY 
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Go watch RWBY. It's better than walking dead, but the awful voice acting and anime-isms are enough to make it seem worse at times.
Truth is not limited to any single thread, bro
Go watch RWBY. It's better than walking dead, but the awful voice acting and anime-isms are enough to make it seem worse at times.
I liked RWBY
Wait, that's Rooster Teeths's shtick isn't it?
I have yet to give that one a go yet. Heck, I've yet to finish the recent RvB season. =(
Oh yeah. If you don't mind some spoilers, I made a thread about it trying to outline everything wrong with it. If you can stomach everything it does wrong, even walking dead will seem less bad (but still bad)
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Dollhouse is one of the main reasons I keep watching this show. I have to imagine that whedon was involved with the over arching plot of the first season at least, and seeing how far Dollhouse got from its initial programmable prostitutes idea, makes me think that there might be some big payoffs in this show. If not then it is still at least a passable show to watch.
I still think the biggest things hurting this show are the lack of villains, and the lack of serialization. They may have waited a little too long to switch away from standalone procedural episodes.
Also, many of the episodes are weak in the opening 15 or 20 minutes, and only get good from about the middle on. I'm not sure why this is ,but I think it is a weakness in the early investigative scenes. The FitzSimmons technobabble tends to make me glaze over a little, and as a Star Trek fan, I have a stronger tolerance for technobabble than most people.
Another problem is the premise itself. The basic idea of a marvel comics show with no superpowered characters is a fairly timid premise when you think about it. I do expect this to change. Somebody (maybe Skye, with her mysterious parentage, or maybe Coulson with his mysterious resurrection) will probably get some kind of superhero advantage before long. If they weren't already planning this I expect them to implement it soon as a kind of panic move now that the ratings are tanking, and the show will be better for it.
AOS isn't realistic enough to function as a standard procedural, or as a spy show, and that's fine. It shouldn't be realistic or gritty or any of that nonsense. Instead they need to amp up the fantasy elements. Make it more Marvel, make it more comic book.
And I don't get the complaints about Skye at all. She's still my favorite character other than Coulson, and I liked her better than Coulson before the last couple of episodes. She's cute, she's funny, she has principles and won't let rules get in the way of what she believes. She's a Gryffindor in a sea of Ravenclaws and Slytherins. And she still does a better job delivering the whedonesque dialogue than anybody in the cast.
Also, many of the episodes are weak in the opening 15 or 20 minutes, and only get good from about the middle on. I'm not sure why this is ,but I think it is a weakness in the early investigative scenes. The FitzSimmons technobabble tends to make me glaze over a little, and as a Star Trek fan, I have a stronger tolerance for technobabble than most people.
Another problem is the premise itself. The basic idea of a marvel comics show with no superpowered characters is a fairly timid premise when you think about it. I do expect this to change. Somebody (maybe Skye, with her mysterious parentage, or maybe Coulson with his mysterious resurrection) will probably get some kind of superhero advantage before long. If they weren't already planning this I expect them to implement it soon as a kind of panic move now that the ratings are tanking, and the show will be better for it.
AOS isn't realistic enough to function as a standard procedural, or as a spy show, and that's fine. It shouldn't be realistic or gritty or any of that nonsense. Instead they need to amp up the fantasy elements. Make it more Marvel, make it more comic book.
And I don't get the complaints about Skye at all. She's still my favorite character other than Coulson, and I liked her better than Coulson before the last couple of episodes. She's cute, she's funny, she has principles and won't let rules get in the way of what she believes. She's a Gryffindor in a sea of Ravenclaws and Slytherins. And she still does a better job delivering the whedonesque dialogue than anybody in the cast.
Thought this would be interesting to link to. Apologies if already posted.
Screen Rant- Is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Getting Better as Ratings Fall?
Screen Rant- Is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Getting Better as Ratings Fall?
Stitch
Gold Member
There was Aioli in the Sandwich. Did you ever eat garlic? Even the guards would've been able to smell them lol
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I actually want to see the show continue. To be honest, I don't watch TV and this is the only show I'm interested in right now except maybe Sleepy Hollow. I might actually like SHIELD a little better, although. I want to see Fitz and Simmons make it to love. I want to find out what happened to Coulson. I want to know Skye's secret past.
Dare I say, I'm actually starting to.... like.... this show a bit now. It's growing on me.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
What? I mean, opinions and all that, but if SHIELD had the same momentum and pacing as Sleepy Hollow has, we wouldn't be seeing declining ratings and not nearly as much negativity in this thread.
I'm a Mahvel fanboy, so I'll stick with this until the (bitter?) end. The show is slowly improving, but I wish I'd get the same excitement out of watching SHIELD as I do after watching Arrow.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Sleepy Hollow is boring as shit and everything about it is trite and overwrought, Ichabod being the biggest culprit. Writers are Marysueing the fuck out of that show.
Sorry fanboys, you know this to be true.
Sorry fanboys, you know this to be true.
My marvel fanboyness is the only thing keeping me watching this. I think this weeks episode may have been the worst one yet.
They seem to have forgotten that the first word in the title of their show is "Marvel", so make a damn Marvel show and not some low rent A-Team knock off.
They seem to have forgotten that the first word in the title of their show is "Marvel", so make a damn Marvel show and not some low rent A-Team knock off.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I've only watched the first 3 episodes of Sleepy Hollow and I like it. In fact, I even said it was better than SHIELD but watching more of SHIELD, and it's growing on me for some reason. I think a little of it might be my small crush on Simmons. She's pretty close to I would deem my type. That, and I just like Marvel and the Fringe/X-Files out-of-the-ordinary mystery of the week. In fact, in reality, SH is probably the better of the two shows but for personal taste reasons, I'm just really liking SHIELD now and I HATED it when it started. See my previous posts in this thread. I still have a lot of issues with it though. Everyone is still too pretty. In fact, I was going to gawk and bitch about Victoria Hand until I looked her up on the Marvel Wiki and discovered not only is she supposed to look like that, but I'll go as far as to say she was excellently cast as she looks EXACTLY like the comic character. Bravo to the casting on that one.
It's a S.H.I.E.L.D. show. They're doing S.H.I.E.L.D. things.
Jest Chillin
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Sleepy Hollow has 13 episode seasons locked in. They can move their pacing faster because they have less episodes in the season. In fact, those of us in the Pilots thread here on Gaf celebrated when they locked the season to 13 episodes because we all knew it meant they could push the pace, which serves an over the top show like that really, really well.
There's a lot that can be said about Sleepy Hollow but "boring" is not one. It's over the top, slightly campy, and the premise is ridiculous. That being said, the execution is amazing, the cast delivers, and it's a fun show to watch.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I keep watching Agents of SHIELD and The Walking Dead even though I know that both are shit and are sometimes difficult to sit through, just because they exist in genres I like.
Hoping they might actually become decent someday but I'm not holding my breath.
Hoping they might actually become decent someday but I'm not holding my breath.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I feel like I'm the other way. I keep hearing how amazing Walking Dead is but have absolutely zero interest in watching it. I just can't stand the zombie trend anymore. I never really liked zombies to begin with unless it was "space zombies" (like Dead Space, for example). Sleeping Hollow is not boring but I'm just more attracted to S.H.I.E.L.D. because of the genre. I really do need to catch up with SH, although.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
It makes me yawn. Literally. It's the same with Persons of Interest. I don't know if it's the slow pace, the music or the dim cinematography but it puts me to sleep.
I guess I'll check back next week then. I can't believe I'm saying this but I hope it's just advertisers being advertisers again.
So I finally caught up. I essentially dropped the show after watching the third episode, randomly watched one more over the next few weeks, watched episode 5 yesterday and then just finished episode 6 and 7 back to back.
Yeah, it's getting better. I was more invested than I thought I'd be at the premise of a possible (even if unlikely this early in the game) character death during episode 6. The team is working together and solving problems that aren't as simple as "I do my specialty and then it's done". They're being more forceful. Especially Coulson, who's starting to feel more like a lead character.
We've had episodes focusing more on Skye, Fitz, and Simmons (I actually want to keep their names separate now). Coulson is actually starting to question Tahiti. Next person to get more development out of seems like Ward, who's slowly coming into his role as the big brother of the group.
The pace is picking up, and it feels like the plot is getting tighter. I think the Eagle Eye episode was the weakest for me specifically because they ran around everywhere before randomly getting it done. The gravity element episode was the second weakest. Episodes 2, 6, and 7 have been my favorites so far in no particular order.
Yeah, it's getting better. I was more invested than I thought I'd be at the premise of a possible (even if unlikely this early in the game) character death during episode 6. The team is working together and solving problems that aren't as simple as "I do my specialty and then it's done". They're being more forceful. Especially Coulson, who's starting to feel more like a lead character.
We've had episodes focusing more on Skye, Fitz, and Simmons (I actually want to keep their names separate now). Coulson is actually starting to question Tahiti. Next person to get more development out of seems like Ward, who's slowly coming into his role as the big brother of the group.
The pace is picking up, and it feels like the plot is getting tighter. I think the Eagle Eye episode was the weakest for me specifically because they ran around everywhere before randomly getting it done. The gravity element episode was the second weakest. Episodes 2, 6, and 7 have been my favorites so far in no particular order.
Hours Left
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Just saw this week's episode, another marked improvement.
I'd actually say that this was more than just okay, it was genuinely good. All the characters were fleshed out appropriately, and it moved the main narrative along in an interesting and meaningful way. Plus, I like it when they put characters together that don't usually get scenes with each other, ala Fitz/Ward and Simmons/Skye.
The budget seemed higher too, and the dialogue was pretty good. Lots of small moments too, like Fitz smelling the sandwich before he pulled it out of the bag and May's eyeroll.
Keep it up SHIELD.
I'd actually say that this was more than just okay, it was genuinely good. All the characters were fleshed out appropriately, and it moved the main narrative along in an interesting and meaningful way. Plus, I like it when they put characters together that don't usually get scenes with each other, ala Fitz/Ward and Simmons/Skye.
The budget seemed higher too, and the dialogue was pretty good. Lots of small moments too, like Fitz smelling the sandwich before he pulled it out of the bag and May's eyeroll.
Keep it up SHIELD.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Yeah, this one felt like a proper SHIELD show. The only things missing are some better action (it still feels like a 90's TV show) and a real, interesting story that gives the plot some purpose beyond the mission of the week. Skye's mysterious parents are not engaging enough to carry this show.
In a perfect world, Strike Back's team would move into this show and turn it into the SHIELD ASSKICKING HOUR. Great banter, blockbuster quality action with a shoestring budget and gripping plot progression would make for a terrific SHIELD show. Alas, so far they are half assing it.
In a perfect world, Strike Back's team would move into this show and turn it into the SHIELD ASSKICKING HOUR. Great banter, blockbuster quality action with a shoestring budget and gripping plot progression would make for a terrific SHIELD show. Alas, so far they are half assing it.
Yeah, a Marvel show with no superpowers holds no interest for me. Don't care. Coulson being alive for no reason is also bad. I tried to give this show a shot, but I fall asleep every time I try to watch it. I wanted it to be kind of like Heroes. That would make a good show.
Oh well, new Marvel/Netflix will be good probably.
Oh well, new Marvel/Netflix will be good probably.
There's a reason that Coulson is alive, we're just not being told what it is yet. Having an over-arching plot running through the show isn't a bad thing. Did you forget that Heroes had stuff they didn't explain right away? Also there were superpowers in this show, remember? There were episodes about people with them. Besides, Iron Man didn't have any super powers in it and that was good. This episode had some comic book tech and secret agent stuff.
This thread is going to go the way of The Newsroom's thread soon, I can feel it. Got to the point where I couldn't go in there any more because 2 seasons in people still couldn't stop talking about how they hated the show from the very beginning despite watching every week. I liked the show and that thread was just toxic.
poppabk
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I think that Coulson's secret return from the dead will tie in to the reason he has his own team and they can get away with breaking in to the computers, shooting a guy with a tranquilizer etc. Probably that someone in SHIELD is behind the centipede stuff and so they need a team that is operating outside if the main hub to track them down.
Weapxn
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I posted this in the Thor thread too, but I just found this to be interesting...
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movi...anthony-hopkins-on-marvel-hiddleston-odin/#/0
peanutbutterlatte
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Just throwing this out there... Loki controls people with the staff. Coulson got stabbed with the staff...
I liked this last episode. Like others have said, it's the first time this has legitimately felt like a SHIELD show. And the Triskelion namedrop was the first reference on I've actually enjoyed hearing.
Highlight for me was the scene between Simmons and Sitwell, particularly because of her delivery:
"What brings you to this restricted hallway so late at night?"
"I could ask you the same thing."
"No... don't."
:lol
also, for reasons I can't adequately explain, I always thought Fitz and Simmons were siblings, making some scenes in this and the previous ep very odd to me.
Highlight for me was the scene between Simmons and Sitwell, particularly because of her delivery:
"What brings you to this restricted hallway so late at night?"
"I could ask you the same thing."
"No... don't."
:lol
also, for reasons I can't adequately explain, I always thought Fitz and Simmons were siblings, making some scenes in this and the previous ep very odd to me.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
This is a nuance that people who aren't already committed pan-franchise fans really do not grasp and, to a certain extent, cannot be expected to grasp. I understand what you're saying, and so do a lot of the comic book guys, but the people who just watch the movies and watch the cartoons really do not know what this means. I am not trying to be argumentative. It's similar to people not understanding why only the people who dressed up threw popcorn when the elves showed up at the Battle of Helm's Deep.
Soon Tahiti will appear as canon on the main 616 universe.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I do think that the show is getting better, but Skye is just getting worse and worse. She'll probably be the reason I stop watching, even though I am starting to like the other characters. ANY organization, be it business, government or clandestine group, would drop anyone to the curb after a) being caught leaking information back to a hacker group they were previously affiliated with and b) hacking into classified and redacted files meant only for the eyes of their top brass. The show is really doing itself a disservice keeping her on because now it makes the entire S.H.E.I.L.D. organization look really stupid for not dealing with what is clearly a massive security threat. So far, the only way they have dealt with it is a shrug and something to the effect of "but she's part of our family now, I guess?"
I know the show is trying to get us to sympathize with Skye now by having her take the "moral high ground" (to an operation that I guess they just forgot to put in an extraction plan? I didn't really get why they just left them there), but it's having the opposite effect for me. I hope they either kill her off (unlikely, seeing as how much they are putting into this mysterious parentage back story for her), or fix how everyone else is reacting to her.
I know the show is trying to get us to sympathize with Skye now by having her take the "moral high ground" (to an operation that I guess they just forgot to put in an extraction plan? I didn't really get why they just left them there), but it's having the opposite effect for me. I hope they either kill her off (unlikely, seeing as how much they are putting into this mysterious parentage back story for her), or fix how everyone else is reacting to her.
It was a suicide mission. They didn't forget to include an extraction plan, there was never going to be one; Ward and Fitz were meant to be expendable.
I guess, but it didn't seem that difficult to get them out. They just kind of showed up with the plane. That's fine if they want to go with that as the solution, but the show isn't dealing with the consequences of their actions. SHIELD didn't want them to go in for a reason, and even if it was "it's just too risky," they completely ignored orders, which should have a consequence. Like I said, SHIELD seems really incompetent for not enforcing anything. At least to me, that's how it appears.
Jest Chillin
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A) Assumes that Coulson notified brass that Skye was the leak in the first place B) If any action were attempted towards Skye or the rest of the team, would have Coulson going to bat for them as even he wasn't notified despite having clearance. Hand vs. Coulson with Fury as the final say would end up going Coulson's way 9 times out of 10.
Remember that Coulson is way up there in Rank/Clearance. So far we only know of two people who rank above him in Maria Hill and Fury thought there could be others (like an Internal Affairs like department). In any case, there's not many in SHIELD that could outright cut people from Coulsons team without going through him. But this is the point of the "rogue" storyline. The more Coulson and his team buck the system rather than toe the line, the more leverage others will have in holding them responsible.
You make some good points, but wasn't there a line where Victoria Hand mentions something about wondering where Coulson got the information about there not being an evac plan? I might be misremembering that, but still it would lead to some kind of internal investigation, right?
I guess my problem is that they aren't even addressing any of the "rogue" stuff. They just kind of do it and then it's over.
To be honest, Shield never came off as a really hot agency. In Avengers, one douche was playing Gallaga when he was supposed to do some important job, The higher brass is a bunch of nutjub idiots that Fury can barely keep under control. In Item 47, they hired a pair of thieves because why not, since they managed to get a gun to work. And now Victoria Hand was basically going to sacrifice a team for no real reason.
Honestly, Coulson basically says that he is keeping her around for her talent. In my mind, this is an entirely believable reason, because shield is not made up of the best of the best. It's made up by mediocre to good, with a few shining stars like Fury and Coulson. In light of that, Skye hacking what is ultimately useless information is not a serious enough offense to ditch her.
The necessary evil of any superhero story is that for a single man to be able to rise up to confront an evil, the proper authorities have to be largely incompetent.
No most people understand its SHIELD. Thats the major issue. I can count the good SHIELD stories from the comics on one hand. Most of them with involvement from a hero or Fury. I think the Ultimate comics and the MCU have brought them to the center stage as a quick way to build up the hero supporting cast. But just that; a supporting cast. When you try to give them the main role in a world where powers are still new and you can't just bring in a hero to do mission its just a mundane spy story.
Jest Chillin
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When Coulson confronts her she said it was need to know. Then they argued back and forth, him saying he had clearance and would have wanted to tell his team, her saying Black Widow and Hawkeye always go in with no extraction and claiming that telling the team would've made Fitz freeze up in the field.
So far, the team's had two instances of disobeying orders. Not jettisoning Simmons and Skye and Simmons hacking into information above their pay grade. This is going hand in hand with Coulson realizing the extent to which they're hiding info about his own death from him.. so my guess is the next questionable order/mission they get from SHIELD will bring things to a head. It's all an attempt to build suspense.
Lone_Prodigy
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Team Simmons.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Include me on that team.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
I think Coulson has been replaced by a clone of some sort.
Like, maybe, SHIELD has clones of all of their level 8 agents - so they can replace them if need be?
The clones would have all of the knowledge of the originals, but there might be some differences in their behaviour.
Like, maybe, SHIELD has clones of all of their level 8 agents - so they can replace them if need be?
The clones would have all of the knowledge of the originals, but there might be some differences in their behaviour.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
I thought Skye saying he's "acting like a robot version of himself" was a huge hint that Coulson has been replaced with a Life Model Decoy.
Yes. It's incrementally been better each episode.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The posts are so terrible, Papa. I thought we were tight. This is like a fucking dagger in my torso.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Coulson has suffered minor bruises and cuts, and has bled. We don't know how they'll decide to handle LMD's in the cinematic universe. Maybe they'll be actual robots with a flesh layer for bleeding. Maybe they'll be biomechanical. Or they could be wholly organic clone bodies, with stored memories flashed into the clone brain.
There could be a dark ethical turn if they go with clones who are essentially real human beings but are treated as temporary or disposable since memories can be re-inserted as often as needed into a new clone.
There could be a dark ethical turn if they go with clones who are essentially real human beings but are treated as temporary or disposable since memories can be re-inserted as often as needed into a new clone.
Yeah it's gotten a little bit better. Last 2 eps had some character development. The Whedon -like dialogue is still there.
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