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[Shotgun Kiss]

So I assume it's OK to talk about the DLC here now.

If you haven't beat it yet, don't read on (I'm not putting spoiler tags in a spoiler thread).

I just finished it, and it was pretty good, though it was certainly "filler", much like case 2 and case 3. It didn't have any unique twists or revelations that contributed to the overarching story in any way, nor did it feel like it did anything particularly adventurous. Apart from the "real killer" turning out to not be a murderer at all. That was quite cool.

In terms of quality, I'd say it's on par with case 2. That is, the weakest in the game, but still enjoyable. The investigation phases lasted too long, but the courtroom segments were really good.

I wish they had threw in an extra cameo, just to really make the DLC feel special. I was half-hoping Gumshoe might be the detective. Seeing Fulbright again just felt odd. Sure, it takes place before he's exposed as the phantom, but from a player's perspective, you just can't view him in the same light anymore.

On a side-note, it's neat that you unlock young Phoenix's pink "P" sweater as an alternate costume (complete with scarf and cough mask) for beating the DLC. Nice throwback.

 

[zero shift]

Just beat the game:

- I think my tastes may have changed since high school. While I enjoyed the game it just seemed to repetitive and boring at times.

- 3D was good but I'd prefer well animated 2D ala Skullgirls

- The last half of the last case was very enjoyable.

- The 3D cell shading is very well done.

- I wish I could have seen the Phantom's face.

- This game should not be rated M.

 

[dumbyugi]

Just beat the game:

- I think my tastes may have changed since high school. While I enjoyed the game it just seemed to repetitive and boring at times.

- 3D was good but I'd prefer well animated 2D ala Skullgirls

- It annoyed me how a lot of the cases would have ended MUCH sooner in real life. Yes I know this game series isn't realistic but come on.

- The last half of the last case was very enjoyable.

- The 3D cell shading is very well done.

- This game should not be rated M.

The bolded is untrue. All of the cases would take many months in real life, murder trials don't take 2 or 3 days to be completed in real life.

 

[zero shift]

The bolded is untrue. All of the cases would take many months in real life, murder trials don't take 2 or 3 days to be completed in real life.

I guess you are right.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I just started the DLC case and seeing Fulbright is just awkward.

 

[Magnet_Man]

I just started the DLC case and seeing Fulbright is just awkward.

But he's not such a bad guy after all, right?

 

[Jintor]

So the DLC case is totally legit. I would personally rank it as probably my favourite case in all of Ace Attorney 5, primarily because I didn't see the synapse conclusion coming and I liked the overall different vibe of the case

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because there wasn't a murderer, or even an obvious murderer (lolmeans),

and you really had to tease a lot of it out of there. Not a single character wasted in that one, a real feel-good case. (Apart from the poor victim of course)

 

[spiritfox]

Holy shit it's too bad they locked the best case of the game as DLC. Loved it all, especially the characters. Loved that you get to cross-examine

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an animal again

, and some of the best dialogues during that. Totally didn't see the Thought Route twist until it happened, and also the end, since

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there's no murderer at all.

Marlon Rimes is the best character in the game. Period.

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The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright is the best testimony ever.

 

[ArtHands]

I like the game, but I really don't like how it seems they have dialed back on the gameplay a lot compared to the last entry. For example , the part where

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you get the handprint in case 4, and the Gyaxa tools rearrangement in case 5

could have been made into a mini game segments like

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putting dust on the handprint surface and blowing the dust off aka previous AA title, or swapping the tools around to form the Gyaxa logo

.

Gonna start on the DLC

 

[upandaway]

Just finished the DLC. It was really, really good.

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I loved that it did kinda the same thing that 3-2 did with the guilty verdict being passed around. And all the various other callbacks, like the animal cross-examination.

The only thing I feel weird about is that this case is probably the strongest example of going to court with incomplete evidence. It's really hard to not think about how they shouldn't be going to court with no autopsy, when it would have negated the entire first day.

Man, can't believe AA5 is already over... I'd love another DLC of the case where Phoenix helps Athena in Europe. But I'd buy any DLC case any way (in fact I can't really think of anyone who would buy the game but won't be interested in the DLC).

 

[Magnet_Man]

So

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we're in the spoiler thread

but I'm seeing a lot of

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spoiler tags

.

I may be new to

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Gaf

, but I'm pretty sure

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that's not how it works..

.

 

[upandaway]

So

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we're in the spoiler thread

but I'm seeing a lot of

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spoiler tags

.

I may be new to

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Gaf

, but I'm pretty sure

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that's not how it works..

.

Some people are still evidently going in here after having finished the game, without having played the DLC. It just came out. For those spoilering the main game, well, dunno.

 

[Vibranium]

Well, I'm going to abandon spoiler tags for the DLC case. I loved it, that Rimes transformation...was there steroids in those fish?

It was nice to see Pearly going on about "forensicking" haha! Also, I really liked Dr. Crab, for an Ace Attorney character (crazy hair and cute penguin hiding in it and all) he seemed very close to a veterinarian in real life. "Son of a gun!" needs to come back in style.

 

[Lusankya]

But I'd buy any DLC case any way (in fact I can't really think of anyone who would buy the game but won't be interested in the DLC).

I guess the percentage of AA5 buyers who also bought the DLC has to be really high.
And I really hope they reconsider and create a new DLC case, but that's probably stealing way too much time from the actual development of AA6.

 

[Vibranium]

And I really hope they reconsider and create a new DLC case, but that's probably stealing way too much time from the actual development of AA6.

I want tons of DLC cases too, but if working primarily on AA6 means Maya gets her butt back to the series as soon as possible, I'm all for it.

 

[The Bankslammer]

I was totally prepared to hate Dr. Crab, as at the time he seemed like the culprit, but looking like Spike and then having Sniper in his hair certainly warmed me up to him.

 

[upandaway]

Yeah Dr. Crab was pretty great, freaked me out when he snapped on Phoenix about his workfield.

I guess the percentage of AA5 buyers who also bought the DLC has to be really high.
And I really hope they reconsider and create a new DLC case, but that's probably stealing way too much time from the actual development of AA6.

There are two ideas in particular that I think were set up for by the team when making the game, even if they didn't know if they're likely to happen:

- Something with Apollo against Gavin (Gavin's already in with all his prosecution bench animation glory, and Apollo/the bracelet didn't get a lot of spotlight in the game)
- The case of Phoenix saving Athena in Europe (it was referenced in the game waaaay too much to never show up again, and I don't know if it'll fit being in AA6)

I guess it'll never happen though. At least I hope they won't take 5 years again.

 

[Frolow]

Yeah Dr. Crab was pretty great, freaked me out when he snapped on Phoenix about his workfield.


There are two ideas in particular that I think were set up for by the team when making the game, even if they didn't know if they're likely to happen:

- Something with Apollo against Gavin (Gavin's already in with all his prosecution bench animation glory, and Apollo/the bracelet didn't get a lot of spotlight in the game)
- The case of Phoenix saving Athena in Europe (it was referenced in the game waaaay too much to never show up again, and I don't know if it'll fit being in AA6)

I guess it'll never happen though. At least I hope they won't take 5 years again.

The case where Phoenix "saves" Athena in Europe seems suitable for AAI3 if that ever gets made. And that reminds me, I'd kill for an Investigations game co-starring Hobo Phoenix.

 

[Jintor]

Well, I'm going to abandon spoiler tags for the DLC case. I loved it, that Rimes transformation...was there steroids in those fish?

It was nice to see Pearly going on about "forensicking" haha! Also, I really liked Dr. Crab, for an Ace Attorney character (crazy hair and cute penguin hiding in it and all) he seemed very close to a veterinarian in real life. "Son of a gun!" needs to come back in style.

He walked this nice line of being suspicious but not being unlikable. Although Rimes was even better at that lol. Fuck, that transformation. I think the best bit about it was (aside from the barrel thing) that it actually kind of had precedent because your client more or less did the same thing, but with a moustache!

Just wish we got to see the Rappin' Redstache.

 

[Poltergust]

I lost it when Rimes went all Popeye in the DLC case. That transformation rivals Means' transformation.

And then The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright testimony... XD

Seriously, I think I would rank the DLC case above every other case in the game. It was just... fun, and there was no loss of tension in any of it (which is case 5's main flaw).

Oh yeah, if we were to shorthand the name of the DLC case (like 1-3, 5-2, etc.), is 5-D1 a good name?

 

[spiritfox]

He walked this nice line of being suspicious but not being unlikable. Although Rimes was even better at that lol. Fuck, that transformation. I think the best bit about it was (aside from the barrel thing) that it actually kind of had precedent because your client more or less did the same thing, but with a moustache!

Just wish we got to see the Rappin' Redstache.

Yes. For all the animated scenes they really missed out not having a final closing scene with the new show. I was surprised it just ended like that.

 

[Poltergust]

Yes. For all the animated scenes they really missed out not having a final closing scene with the new show. I was surprised it just ended like that.

Other than that, though, I think that the animated scenes worked really well for the DLC case. Especially when DePlume and Athena sang their pirate songs lol.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

The case where Phoenix "saves" Athena in Europe seems suitable for AAI3 if that ever gets made. And that reminds me, I'd kill for an Investigations game co-starring Hobo Phoenix.

This actually sounds to me like a flashback AA6 case involving Franziska in Europe.

As for more DLC, it'd be hilarious to me for a case that's exactly Scuttlebutt's rejected script embodying the Dark Age of the Law with the previously suggested positions of Hugh as the defense and Robin as the prosecution.

Having just finished the DLC case, I absolutely loved it. Despite her off-putting appearance, DePlume is probably one of the best witnesses in the series because of how confident she is, because she absolutely doesn't lie, which made me like her.

Great case, though I guess this means that the wait for PLvsAA starts... right.

Yes. For all the animated scenes they really missed out not having a final closing scene with the new show. I was surprised it just ended like that.

Yeah, I fully expected a final anime scene to wrap everything up. Aside from that, these were no doubt the best anime scenes in the game.

 

[Jintor]

I lost it when Rimes went all Popeye in the DLC case. That transformation rivals Means' transformation.

And then The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright testimony... XD

Seriously, I think I would rank the DLC case above every other case in the game. It was just... fun, and there was no loss of tension in any of it (which is case 5's main flaw).

Oh yeah, if we were to shorthand the name of the DLC case (like 1-3, 5-2, etc.), is 5-D1 a good name?

DL-5 Incident

 

[Vamphuntr]

Beat the DLC case. It was OK plot wise but the "puzzles" were bad. It felt very easy. Often they give you the answer before you actually had to click on the right area of a picture or present the right item. Like the scarf for instance. They tell you the scarf shouldn't be there then show you a picture of the body with the scarf and ask you what is wrong in the picture lol. A bit too much handholding. I was excited when I saw the forensic kit but it was barely used.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

Beat the DLC case. It was OK plot wise but the "puzzles" were bad. It felt very easy. Often they give you the answer before you actually had to click on the right area of a picture or present the right item. Like the scarf for instance. They tell you the scarf shouldn't be there then show you a picture of the body with the scarf and ask you what is wrong in the picture lol. A bit too much handholding. I was excited when I saw the forensic kit but it was barely used.

True, but that's pretty much the whole game, right? I actually think this case was a bit harder than others, for myself, with a couple of moments where I go stuck (one of them was during Phoenix Wright dis testimony when I wasn't re-pressing at the right spot, though).

Spontaneous though, but I think that the "Synapse" sequences could be used for more than just a case's climax big reveals. I guess it's more impactful that way, but I feel that there are other moments where it could be used as a way to connect smaller moments in the bigger picture together.

Or maybe that's just nonsense. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what new mechanics, if any, they develop for the next game. I'm kinda surprised that Apollo's Perceive wasn't used in the DLC case.

Edit: Relating to the DLC case, my mind went in some crazy directions at times. When it was discovered that Azura Summers had the same heart condition as Sasha, for example, I thought about the possibility of both of them being the same person. Which would mean that Azura wasn't actually "killed" by the orca and would also mean that Jack wasn't killed, either.

First thing that came to mind when those pills were handed to Phoenix Wright for Sasha was "multiple personality disorder."

 

[Frolow]

I lost it when Rimes went all Popeye in the DLC case. That transformation rivals Means' transformation.

And then The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright testimony... XD

Seriously, I think I would rank the DLC case above every other case in the game. It was just... fun, and there was no loss of tension in any of it (which is case 5's main flaw).

Oh yeah, if we were to shorthand the name of the DLC case (like 1-3, 5-2, etc.), is 5-D1 a good name?

I'm just gonna call it 5-6 from now on.

 

[LiK]

just finished it, OMG SNIPER IS ADORABLE! Any gifs of him?

Also, Rimes' transformation and meltdown was the fucking best.

Really loved it. Really strong story.

 

[Higgins113]

Best use of that sprite ever

 

[789shadow]

Holy fucking shit Rimes' transformation.

My sides.

 

[Zalman]

Just beat the DLC case. Pleasantly surprised, didn't expect it to be this good. Rimes was a crazy character, but he ended up becoming very likable.

A minor issue I have with it is the Orla cross examination. It didn't really need to happen. Phoenix could've gotten his point across without it. In fact, I already realized that Rimes was the boyfriend so it felt really weird when they ordered a recess just to figure out what was going on.

I did like it overall though. Pearl was actually useful in this case. She seemed really shoehorned in the main game, like last-minute fan service. Good thing this changed that.

 

[PK Gaming]

Aaahh, it feels good being able to post in this thread again haha.

Anyway, thoughts on the DLC case

The good:
-It was definitely one of the funnest cases to play through. The characters in this case were all extremely good.Talking to each and everyone one of them was a treat. It might be one of the rare cases where I like everyone almost equally. I also must have watched the Swashbucklers video like 8 times.
-THE SWASHBUCKLERS THEME IS AMAZING. BOTH OF THEM WERE! The music in this case was top notch.
-The musical exchange between Athena & Deplume is one of my favorite exchanges in the entire series.
-Deplume is one of the best ace attorney witnesses, she's do damn likeable. And those animations!
-Rimes is a likeable and sympathetic character.
-The parallels between the 2 incidents were neat. 2 trainers, 2 orcas, 2 incidents, 2 heart conditions (ok that's contrived but whatever)
-The dissin of Phoenix Wright. Need I say more?

The bad:
-There was no killer... there was no killer! Even though Rimes was a great opponent, taking him down didn't feel satisfying. There wasn't an elaborate murder method, the victim just slipped and fell... A far cry from the majority cases where the victim is usually killed in the most ridiculous way. I didn't feel any sense of hype when I finally took him down. And his breakdown was awful. They should have ran with his rapping gimmick :/
-Rimes was done for when you found out he could control Orla with the walkie-talkie, but the game wastes your time with the teeth mark BS. Didn't like that.
-Rimes being the culprit was way too obvious, like extremely obvious. I wish the case didn't make him so damn obvious.
-The final thought-train sucked. It was offensively simple, and lacked the gravitas of the previous cases. It was just so damn obvious since the other options were dumb.

Overall:
Everything (Investigation 1, Trial 1, Investigation 2) but the 2nd trial was amazing. The the 2nd trial was merely ok, and the conclusion was undercooked.(it's pretty much the antithesis of case 5-2, where everything but the last trial sucked)

Good stuff regardless though, definitely one of the more enjoyable cases i've played through.

 

[Jintor]

-The final thought-train sucked. It was offensively simple, and lacked the gravitas of the previous cases. It was just so damn obvious since the other options were dumb.

I have to entire disagree here lol - the final thought train was awesome, the only one in the entire game where I hadn't come to that conclusion ahead of time.

 

[BassForever]

I have to entire disagree here lol - the final thought train was awesome, the only one in the entire game where I hadn't come to that conclusion ahead of time.

Yeah I'm not sure how you honestly had guessed there were two different Orcas before that point.

 

[spiritfox]

I have to entire disagree here lol - the final thought train was awesome, the only one in the entire game where I hadn't come to that conclusion ahead of time.

I guess he meant the options were too easy, not the conclusion. But that was so out of the left field that who would've guessed?

 

[Jintor]

Clearly if I had been paying attention to the bite marks I would've come to the conclusion ahead of time!

 

[rekameohs]

I'm just gonna call it 5-6 from now on.

I'll call it 5-S, since they call it "Special Episode". It's also probably my favorite case in the game. I'm in the camp that loved that Thought Train. I didn't get either 5-5's or 5-S's before the game tells you there, and I just loved that feature in general.

 

[BassForever]

Clearly if I had been paying attention to the bite marks I would've come to the conclusion ahead of time!

The song was a bigger hint then the bite marks, Sasha said multiple times the Orca can only learn one song, yet we had seen an orca sing one song and the "same" orca sing another song.

 

[PK Gaming]

Yeah I'm not sure how you honestly had guessed there were two different Orcas before that point.

They dropped a ton of hints

The 2 songs: Orla could only learn one Swashbuckler song, but Deploma testified to hearing a different one.
Azura's death: I seriously doubt that they wouldn't put the Orca down after Azura died, since everyone assumed it killed her (Which is silly in and of itself. Did nobody do an autopsy report?)
The different bitemarks: This one's not-so-obvious but when paired with the previous evidence, it should tip you off. Athena/Phoenix flat out tells you that the key to solving the case involves the discrepancy between the teeth marks.

Frankly, i'm surprised you guys didn't see it coming a mile away. Not trying to brag or anything, but my friends all came to the same conclusion...

I guess he meant the options were too easy, not the conclusion. But that was so out of the left field that who would've guessed?

Yeah some of the options were laugh out loud dumb. Like, choose between "Bite marks" or "Fingerprints"

zzz

 

[Jintor]

The song was a bigger hint then the bite marks, Sasha said multiple times the Orca can only learn one song, yet we had seen an orca sing one song and the "same" orca sing another song.

Lol I completely forgot.

I didn't really think about why it was such a big deal. Dumb Orcas! Can't relearn songs!

Azura's death: I seriously doubt that they wouldn't put the Orca down after Azura died, since everyone assumed it killed her (Which is silly in and of itself. Did nobody do an autopsy report?)

As Fulbright mentions at the beginning of the case, they don't do autopsy reports for cases of wrongful death resulting from animal mishandling, which it appeared to be since it looked like Azura got eaten by an orca

 

[BronsonLee]

Man, this just makes me salty I sold my 3DS.

Oh well. Maybe I'll borrow it from him later

 

[PK Gaming]

Lol I completely forgot.

I didn't really think about why it was such a big deal. Dumb Orcas! Can't relearn songs!



As Fulbright mentions at the beginning of the case, they don't do autopsy reports for cases of wrongful death resulting from animal mishandling, which it appeared to be since it looked like Azura got eaten by an orca

Why didn't it occur to Dr. Crab or anyone that she was having a heart attack or some issue then? He states:

"I saw her grasping her chest in pain!" and she falls off the orca as a result, but he doesn't inquire into at all. Everyone just accepts that the Orca killed her, without any evidence to support it. Her body doesn't have a single bite mark or bruise (outside of the bite marks on the walkie-talkie) and not a single person even tries to come up with a justifiable explanation for death. Did the coroner just not bother to conduct an examination of her body? Did her body just disappear into hammerspace...? I liked the incident, but it just bothers me. It's like everybody took stupid pills. I'm cool with taking concessions for the plot, but this is too big to just ignore.

 

[Jintor]

This is Ace Attorney. Come on now. If people did sensible things there wouldn't be a game.

 

[PK Gaming]

This is Ace Attorney. Come on now. If people did sensible things there wouldn't be a game.

Yeah this is the same series where a guy decides to become a lawyer to save his friend, and whips, animals and animelytical psychology is permissible in court. I really get that, but i'm not going to overlook something that major. There's a clear divide between silly writing (Damian Tenma got possessed) and shaky writing (The prosecution thinking that Machi killed Mr. Letouse)

I still love the case, but that sequence was definitely shaky, even by AA standards.

 

[Jintor]

I really don't think it's beyond belief that people in the AA universe would stick to established protocol in the face of apparently worrying evidence.

Everyone's up on the Dissing of Phoenix Wright, but that testimony clearly establishes that the onus is on the defence to disprove witness statements. Which is stupid. But whatever!

 

[Doorman]

Just finished up the DLC case. Overall as a standalone case I think it was handled about as well as could be expected, like others have said all of the major characters in this one were pretty memorable and likable in their own ways. I ruled Marlon out as a suspect early on because he didn't seem to fit the bill for prior Ace Attorney villains...then again I didn't expect him to suddenly level up out of nowhere, at which point he still looked less like an Ace Attorney villain and more like he slipped and fell out of One Piece.

The only real gripe I have with the case is that so many of the twists, especially near the end, seemed written up to make sure that nothing bad happened to anybody with the exception of the two victims. Azura dies and everyone thinks the orca did it BUT WAIT it was just a heart condition and nobody was at fault, everyone instantly believes it. Still back in the day they thought Ora killed her so they had to put her down BUT WAIT they happened to have a spare orca to take her place BUT WAIT they never even put down the first orca in the first place and she's in the orca equivalent of witness protection. You feel threatened that Crab keeps talking about euthanizing Orla BUT WAIT he never planned to do that and was going to somehow trick people into thinking he killed it with sleeping pills...? Marlon is pinned with the murder of Shipley BUT WAIT it was actually just an accident and he's actually a stand-up guy who tried to save him movie-style. By the end of it I felt like I was prepared for it to come out that Jack Shipley was alive all along somehow.

There was a point in the case where I considered the possibility of their being two orcas prior to the Logic Line segment, but I don't remember what caused me to think that and I dismissed it pretty quickly. When it came up again I felt like "huh...my random hunch was actually on for once."

 

[PK Gaming]

Why can't we call the case 5-DLC?

We can amend it if they add another DLC case.

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They won't

 

[Hyoukokun]

Yeah I'm not sure how you honestly had guessed there were two different Orcas before that point.

I'd guessed it, actually, but not because of any of the evidence in-game. SeaWorld is probably one of the real-world inspirations for the park, and they have multiple killer whales that all go by the stage name 'Shamu' when they are out in front of an audience. Because of that, I was on the lookout for a 'there are actually two whales!' twist the whole time.

I actually had DePlume pegged as the villain initially - even after things started to point to Rimes, I figured there was a chance that she had set him up so that she could write a muck-raking sequel to her last book. I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't her.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Goddamn, the DLC was pretty fucking lame. The (too little) characters weren't terrible but not better than generic either. Rimes being the killer was good but then it went back into sleep mode. (And none of the other revelations were that interesting) They gave him some crazy new design but in reality he didn't really do shit or properly fight - outside of tedious dragging at the end- , just standing there while you figure shit out. And half of the ,,showdown'' is silent on top of that...

 

[Meia]

I have to entire disagree here lol - the final thought train was awesome, the only one in the entire game where I hadn't come to that conclusion ahead of time.

This was one of the things that just amazed me in the game. Even when you get to a point that should be summarizing the case, you discovering something that just leaves your damn jaw on the floor was great. Guessing this is what happens everytime in the past games when Phoneix stumbles upon the solution, and seeing it as he does probably has us all have the exact same facial reaction he does when he's shocked.



I'm not sure what I was expecting with the idea of a DLC case, but one of the strongest cases in the entire series most certainly wasn't it. That second orca reveal, holy shit...


I also for one find the idea that there really wasn't any "killer" here refreshing, as it's very different than any other case before it really. Just that that option is on the table has the potential to make any other new cases interesting, as I've been playing "Which of these characters I'm talking to is the killer now?" This was also kind of played with with Fulbright in the last case.