Whatever happend to the hall of fame category anyway, Zelda was the first winner in 2011 (hence why SS was up for GOTY that year). Don't think there was a new entry in 2012. Maybe it's Mario's turn and Reggie is there to accept the honor.
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Reggie confirmed for Spike VGX appearance [Up: "new look at an upcoming Wii U game"]
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What is it with Nintendo that brings out people with weird expectations regarding IPs? None of the IPs you're citing had a first installement that bombed, even the first Street Fighter had enough success to justify many ports. And that was in the 80's.It's not the only factor though, if the team/company behind it believes in the IP they will make sequels nonetheless then if after 2-3 tries the IP flops then it's buried. One memorable historical mention would be Street Fighter.
Also W101 is a terrible example because while the IP is in nintendo's hands the game is done by another studio and after they leave N might not know what to do with the ip.
People want a new series with a new ip that is given the same importance as Mario/Zelda/Metroid and they want it to be sure that will be a staple in the future portfolio of Nintendo and not only present as a mention of that kind of cool game that was released once on that +10 years old console.
Nowadays, who's pushing sequels for games that didn't perform well? Companies might plan for series from the get go, but if the first game doesn't sell those plans are just dropped.
If TW101 sold a lot, Nintendo would hire PG again for a sequel or just do it themselves. It's not rocket science.
That's an unrealistic expectation. Nintendo's not gonna come out with a game and be like "hey, we're gonna release sequels for this title for the next 30 years! Enjoy!" They have to be financially viable. Games like Metroid weren't created with the idea that they would be lasting forever. They're games, designed in the moment to take advantage of whatever ideas the creators have at the time.
And if Wonderful 101 was a tremendous success you'd better believe Nintendo would've done whatever they could to keep it going.
You are dense... here i'll give you a very practical example:
Xenoblade and X? make me understand that we'll see this franchise in the future and make me understand that you actually put budget and good people behind it and pump it like a new smash game or a new mario game, now multiply this with another 2-3 new franchises and you'll have people happy and probably even good sales.
And how much it sold Xenoblade worldwide? 500k? hardly a great success.
Nintendo hardly know what to do with their franchises sometimes... i doubt they know how to handle others.
What is it with Nintendo that brings out people with weird expectations regarding IPs? None of the IPs you're citing had a first installement that bombed, even the first Street Fighter had enough success to justify many ports. And that was in the 80's.
Nowadays, who's pushing sequels for games that didn't perform well? Companies might plan for series from the get go, but if the first game doesn't sell those plans are just dropped.
If TW101 sold a lot, Nintendo would hire PG again for a sequel or just do it themselves. It's not rocket science.
No one knew what Street Fighter 1 was at the times, the game is known nowadays because of the reflected light of SF2 but not because it wan an hit in the '80s.
After a couple of tries you put a series in the bin otherwise you would not see stuff like Lighting Returns.
EmCeeGramr
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reggo folds into the room and says "hello" to jeorff
"hello to u reggi" says geef before he falls into one of reggie's seven unmouths and dreams forever
"hi hi to spike tv this is reggae from nitnedo i have lots of stuff to show i have plumberman and dong king kong and zeldo and samus" and the audience coos and laughs a baby laugh and a tumblr away a million doodles of a noodle armed link or samus with a blushing face and giant red nose are drawed
"here is game" he vibrates and a trailo plays for the old gorilla man. an old gorilla! what a thing. a hootin and hollerin commences
"hello to u reggi" says geef before he falls into one of reggie's seven unmouths and dreams forever
"hi hi to spike tv this is reggae from nitnedo i have lots of stuff to show i have plumberman and dong king kong and zeldo and samus" and the audience coos and laughs a baby laugh and a tumblr away a million doodles of a noodle armed link or samus with a blushing face and giant red nose are drawed
"here is game" he vibrates and a trailo plays for the old gorilla man. an old gorilla! what a thing. a hootin and hollerin commences
reggo folds into the room and says "hello" to jeorff
"hello to u reggi" says geef before he falls into one of reggie's seven unmouths and dreams forever
"hi hi to spike tv this is reggae from nitnedo i have lots of stuff to show i have plumberman and dong king kong and zeldo and samus" and the audience coos and laughs a baby laugh and a tumblr away a million doodles of a noodle armed link or samus with a blushing face and giant red nose are drawed
"here is game" he vibrates and a trailo plays for the old gorilla man. an old gorilla! what a thing. a hootin and hollerin commences
very nice.
BassForever
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As a Nintendo fan I am scared as fuck for them being there. That's just not their audience and could come out looking like clowns for that night. IMO Zelda U is the only game in development we know of that is worthy of that stage. Now unless they surprise us with metroid U or some new modern IP.... I am for that.... But my heart tells me Nintendo will find a way to look very silly when the night is over.
The JRPG X might turn some heads if they show it
reggo folds into the room and says "hello" to jeorff
"hello to u reggi" says geef before he falls into one of reggie's seven unmouths and dreams forever
"hi hi to spike tv this is reggae from nitnedo i have lots of stuff to show i have plumberman and dong king kong and zeldo and samus" and the audience coos and laughs a baby laugh and a tumblr away a million doodles of a noodle armed link or samus with a blushing face and giant red nose are drawed
"here is game" he vibrates and a trailo plays for the old gorilla man. an old gorilla! what a thing. a hootin and hollerin commences
This reminded me of those Dolan comics. I can totally picture one with Reggie and Giraffe.
Zelda should be reserved for E3 imo.
It's not like people wouldn't still want to see more of it at E3, even if it had a reveal this year. Heck, it would only make people more excited about it, and raise hype levels. Hype is something Wii U could use.
Anyway, I came to say: Nintendo shouldn't use a platform like this and not put their best foot forward. They've been very keen on using Nintendo Directs to deliver info, yet, we all know they are merely preaching to the choir. Well, this event will use a similar format, but with potentially many more viewers. This is their chance to appeal to the core gamers they claimed they would target with Wii U, but haven't. With the hype now steadily fixed on the newly launched consoles, the sensible thing to do here is, go big or just don't go.
A Zelda or some other big announcement/trailer with great core gamer appeal would make way too much sense. Which it why I'm not expecting Nintendo to do it. They've been quite good at making themselves less and less noticeable these days. Besides, what's the chances that a 'puppet' like Reggie actually delivering the goods?
I'd be happy with a new Bayonetta 2 trailer. But I expect to be disappointed. Nintendo just doesn't fight hard for attention. Complete obscurity seems to be a goal they are most busy chasing, these days.
This is the craziest and most outlandish post in the thread.New console announcement.
Imagine that.
Guaranteed to happen.
You are dense... here i'll give you a very practical example:
Xenoblade and X? make me understand that we'll see this franchise in the future and make me understand that you actually put budget and good people behind it and pump it like a new smash game or a new mario game, now multiply this with another 2-3 new franchises and you'll have people happy and probably even good sales.
And how much it sold Xenoblade worldwide? 500k? hardly a great success.
Nintendo hardly know what to do with their franchises sometimes... i doubt they know how to handle others.
Do you think X was greenlit out of the goodness of Iwata's heart? I would imagine it was because they saw the opportunity for sales growth and to expand the brand. It remains to be seen how X will do. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's going to bomb hard, and I'm someone who is super looking forward to it.
I'm not saying I don't want Nintendo to create new series or try new things, I'm saying it's unrealistic to expect them to just snap their fingers and create one on the "level" of Mario/Zelda/Metroid (which is a silly comparison because Metroid was dead for like an entire generation and may be dead again).
Reggie will announce that Nintendo plans to announce something with regards to the next nintendo direct which will be about announcements of announcements to come in E3. E3 will hit and Nintendo will announce that games were delayed and tell us to wait for further announcements.
True story.
Now that would be hilarious and sad at the same time xD
But I don't expect anything new to be shown, maybe a pic from Mario 3D world and SSB3DS
Baron Aloha
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Reggie to walk on stage w/ Phil Spencer, announce unprecedented partnership.
equippedwithtowel
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Whatever happend to the hall of fame category anyway, Zelda was the first winner in 2011 (hence why SS was up for GOTY that year). Don't think there was a new entry in 2012. Maybe it's Mario's turn and Reggie is there to accept the honor.
IIRC Gabe Newell won it for Half Life/Steam.
Or maybe that was just for Half Life 2 getting game of the Decade...
Holy shit.New console announcement.
Imagine that.
Do you think X was greenlit out of the goodness of Iwata's heart? I would imagine it was because they saw the opportunity for sales growth and to expand the brand. It remains to be seen how X will do. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's going to bomb hard, and I'm someone who is super looking forward to it.
I'm not saying I don't want Nintendo to create new series or try new things, I'm saying it's unrealistic to expect them to just snap their fingers and create one on the "level" of Mario/Zelda/Metroid (which is a silly comparison because Metroid was dead for like an entire generation and may be dead again).
A Zelda-level hit takes a while to build, but considering Metroid's sales at this point that's perfectably obtainable for a new IP.
You guys thinking Nintendo is going to pay for a Bayonetta 1 port are crazy. What could such a port realistically sell? At best, it should be a free pack-in for the first printing of the game, and available on the e-Shop for 10-20 bucks.
I expect Nintendo to show nothing. I am a rock. I am an island.
I expect Nintendo to show nothing. I am a rock. I am an island.
Do you think X was greenlit out of the goodness of Iwata's heart? I would imagine it was because they saw the opportunity for sales growth and to expand the brand.
You don't say?
If you won't create an opportunity of growth for a new brand with at least another game how the hell do you think it has even the slightest and minimal chance to grow?
A Zelda-level hit takes a while to build, but considering Metroid's sales at this point that's perfectably obtainable for a new IP.
Yeah that's true, Other M bombed pretty hard didn't it? And yeah I agree.
You guys thinking Nintendo is going to pay for a Bayonetta 1 port are crazy. What could such a port realistically sell?
Yeah it's not like they just funded the sequel to the game in question that:
a) costs 100x more to make than a port of Bayonetta 1
b) is a guaranteed mega bomba
PhoenixDark
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I doubt it.The JRPG X might turn some heads if they show it
They'll either show Mario Kart or a SSB trailer. And neither will end up being the news or shock of the night. Different audience.
You guys thinking Nintendo is going to pay for a Bayonetta 1 port are crazy. What could such a port realistically sell? At best, it should be a free pack-in for the first printing of the game, and available on the e-Shop for 10-20 bucks.
I expect Nintendo to show nothing. I am a rock. I am an island.
I don't think it would cost them much to port at this point in time. It shouldn't even take that long to port either. They should at least go for an eShop release if anything.
I doubt it.
They'll either show Mario Kart or a SSB trailer. And neither will end up being the news or shock of the night. Different audience.
They probably will but it's a pretty unwise decision. The audience won't care so it will end up being a wasted opportunity.
EmCeeGramr
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Didn't Xenoblade sell way more than 500k WW?
foxuzamaki
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I doubt it.
They'll either show Mario Kart or a SSB trailer. And neither will end up being the news or shock of the night. Different audience.
X is a huge open world(will possibly be the largest console open world this gen) with giant mechs that transforms into mecha motorcycles and mecha tanks, if they show it right, it will DEF turn heads with that crowd.
Didn't Xenoblade sell way more than 500k WW?
I don't think we ever got numbers for NA so there's no exact number but it's definitely at least half a million.
It sold more than that, what's your source for bringing up a 500k figure? That game had high enough demand to warrant a reprint a few month ago. If the developpement was smartly budgeted it might even made a bit of profit.And how much it sold Xenoblade worldwide? 500k? hardly a great success.
Some people knew SF1 at the time and even put enough money in it to warrant ports.No one knew what Street Fighter 1 was at the times, the game is known nowadays because of the reflected light of SF2 but not because it wan an hit in the '80s.
After a couple of tries you put a series in the bin otherwise you would not see stuff like Lighting Returns.
And you're wrong on what happened with FFXIII, it sold well. FFXIII-2 less so but it ate less money to be made. They clearly made LR on a budget to ensure its profitability.
Your expectations are just cray cray, buddy.
Why waste a chance showing Smash Bros when you can display new games? It's true that X may not appeal to that crowd but if they focus on certain aspects of X that makes it unique compared to those other jRPGs then I think it stands a chance even against Bayonetta 2, which I feel will struggle even more than X. Show multiplayer, boss battles, mech battles etc. and you stand a chance of getting the attention of those gamers you want. I'm sure if you've played Xenoblade then you know how much better the characters and story were compared to the most recent Tales and Final Fantasy games. I don't like Final Fantasy or Tales but I loved Xenoblade for being different.
Being unique, being better than FF or Tales of, showing off mech and boss battles- you are seriously overestimating how much any of that would affect the appeal of the game. If they had a substantial time allocation on the show, then I'd be all for them showing off X. But that's far from the case. It makes no god damned sense to show off a game in the grim hopes that it'll turn a few heads when you have other titles that are far more suited for that audience. It would be a waste, plain and simple, and if Nintendo has any semblance of competence, they're going to keep X out of there.
It sold more than that, what's your source for bringing up a 500k figure? That game had high enough demand to warrant a reprint a few month ago. If the developpement was smartly budgeted it might even made a bit of profit.
There is no worldwide LTD figure available. But realistically, it would probably be somewhere around there.
ShockingAlberto
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Mario/Zelda/Metroid is a really big range of importance.It's not the only factor though, if the team/company behind it believes in the IP they will make sequels nonetheless then if after 2-3 tries the IP flops then it's buried. One memorable historical mention would be Street Fighter.
Also W101 is a terrible example because while the IP is in nintendo's hands the game is done by another studio and after they leave N might not know what to do with the ip.
People want a new series with a new ip that is given the same importance as Mario/Zelda/Metroid and they want it to be sure that will be a staple in the future portfolio of Nintendo and not only present as a mention of that kind of cool game that was released once on that +10 years old console.
If I had money to bet on this, I'd definitelly go for something higher than 500k. Maybe not a million but in the realm of "successful JRPG in the current market". Gotta be closer to 700k.There is no worldwide LTD figure available. But realistically, it would probably be somewhere around there.
Kissenkopf
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X is a huge open world(will possibly be the largest console open world this gen) with giant mechs that transforms into mecha motorcycles and mecha tanks, if they show it right, it will DEF turn heads with that crowd.
Why do you think X will be bigger than Just Cause 2? Because thats how big it has to be and I don't say that happening. Heck, I guess it will be smaller then Xenoblade.
Someone should bomb Geoff with tweets to get some kind of tease about Nintendo at VGX.
Being unique, being better than FF or Tales of, showing off mech and boss battles- you are seriously overestimating how much any of that would affect the appeal of the game. If they had a substantial time allocation on the show, then I'd be all for them showing off X. But that's far from the case. It makes no god damned sense to show off a game in the grim hopes that it'll turn a few heads when you have other titles that are far more suited for that audience. It would be a waste, plain and simple, and if Nintendo has any semblance of competence, they're going to keep X out of there.
And this is all great assumption but it's nothing more than an assumption. What titles are far more suited for this audience? SSB? No, SSB is suited mainly for a the core Nintendo fans. Mario Kart? lol...Bayonetta 2? Maybe but it won't turn heads after the first one barely did. That leaves Zelda and X as the only good choices. Focusing on X's multiplayer aspect is key. You're comparing it to jRPGs that follow the same trend in almost every iteration, which it's not.
If I had money to bet on this, I'd definitelly go for something higher than 500k. Maybe not a million but in the realm of "successful JRPG in the current market". Gotta be closer to 700k.
Current market conditions would not foster such numbers; that's a very optimistic prediction, sadly.
Why do you think X will be bigger than Just Cause 2? Because thats how big it has to be and I don't say that happening. Heck, I guess it will be smaller then Xenoblade.
What?
why do you guys do this to yourselves?
Nintendo has dropped the ball in terms of meeting the hype all year.
Add to that Geoff's track record and you have letdown central.
and yet we will have someone be let down and the Nintendo is doooooomed brigade will grow stronger.
Stop getting hyped from Nintendo...it only leads to pain.
Nintendo has dropped the ball in terms of meeting the hype all year.
Add to that Geoff's track record and you have letdown central.
and yet we will have someone be let down and the Nintendo is doooooomed brigade will grow stronger.
Stop getting hyped from Nintendo...it only leads to pain.
foxuzamaki
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Why do you think X will be bigger than Just Cause 2? Because thats how big it has to be and I don't say that happening. Heck, I guess it will be smaller then Xenoblade.
Someone should bomb Geoff with tweets to get some kind of tease about Nintendo at VGX.
cause xenoblade was pretty huge, like people underestimate how big it is, the wiiU destroys the wii in power in every single way, if takehashi's team works on this like they worked on xenoblade, it will surely amaze people, theres no way its smaller than xenoblade, why would that even cross your mind lol
This is how I reacted. The rumored announcement of Mii for Smash Bros would be panned hard. I'm not as pessimistic, though. Other Nintendo franchises could pass with that audience - F-Zero and Star Fox, for example. But neither would produce as much hype as a Zelda or Metroid.As a Nintendo fan I am scared as fuck for them being there. That's just not their audience and could come out looking like clowns for that night. IMO Zelda U is the only game in development we know of that is worthy of that stage. Now unless they surprise us with metroid U or some new modern IP.... I am for that.... But my heart tells me Nintendo will find a way to look very silly when the night is over.
I would be shocked if they rebooted F-Zero, though (GX sales weren't great).
Is this seriously what you guys are talking about? Is it typical for trailers of new shows to be shown here?
I mean, has it been confirmed they will show something? Because I'm fully expecting absolutely nothing.
Nothing confirmed, but it would make sense for a trailer(s) to be shown.
Is this seriously what you guys are talking about? Is it typical for trailers of new shows to be shown here?
I mean, has it been confirmed they will show something? Because I'm fully expecting absolutely nothing.
Reggie said in the last GTTV episode that Nintendo "might be there and might do something special". Later it was confirmed that Reggie was indeed going to make an appearance at the show. We know nothing else. Historically VGX (or rather the VGA's) has been an arena for big reveals. No Nintendo releases in the past though.
foxuzamaki
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Is this seriously what you guys are talking about? Is it typical for trailers of new shows to be shown here?
I mean, has it been confirmed they will show something? Because I'm fully expecting absolutely nothing.
Because we know how the video game business works
Lets be honest, it'll be a game or a clip or a piece of news no will care about.... except for the 4 or 5 super hardcore Nintendo fans who'll any Nintendo news as good news.
It's a shame that people are still blind to this after what Nintendo has done with Wii U. It'll be something we already know or if it's new it will be something we expect. There will be no surprises.
Maybe we'll find out what X is actually called
Turns out. It's called Y
PhoenixDark
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You believe the WiiU is capable of having the largest open world game, over the PS4 or XB1?X is a huge open world(will possibly be the largest console open world this gen) with giant mechs that transforms into mecha motorcycles and mecha tanks, if they show it right, it will DEF turn heads with that crowd.
If I had money to bet on this, I'd definitelly go for something higher than 500k. Maybe not a million but in the realm of "successful JRPG in the current market". Gotta be closer to 700k.
That is really unlikely, considering the US Gamestop-only, limited run-only shenanigans. Japanese numbers are at 140k, while rounding up to 200k for both US and Japan seems fair, if a bit generous. The game didn't do all that fantastically in Europe either, in part because of early supply constraints. Last update was 50.000-ish in France last year, and that's the strongest market for this kind of game, so 400k WW might be close.
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