Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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I'd like to make the case for another character I want to see -- and one who I fully anticipate will make the roster:
Probably more than any other possible newcomer, Palutena has EVERYTHING in her favor:
+ Kid Icarus is eligible for another representative, and Palutena is by far and away the most relevant pick after Pit himself. Heck, the Japanese name of the series has "Palutena" right in the title. She's the "Zelda" of the series!
+ Sakurai adores her. This is plainly evident from how extensively she featured into his last game, Kid Icarus Uprising -- which may I remind you, was a HUGE game, practically a trilogy unto itself, with three acts that individually could've passed for entire games in their own right. Palutena was brilliantly portrayed every step of the way. Simply one of the best and most loveable Nintendo characters in ages.
+ Nintendo promoted the shit out of her: From the interior art of the game case, to her starring role in several of the anime shorts (including the two-parter "Palutena's Revolting Dinner"), she received top billing from Nintendo in what must've been one of their largest advertising campaigns in quite some time.
+ Her design is UNIQUE! She's a staff user, she's female, and she has green hair -- a refreshing change of pace from all of the blonde chicks. Plus, she's a goddess!
+ And correct me if I'm mistaken, but it appears Pit's Mirror Shield is gone, replaced with the Guardian Orbitars. I see a couple possibilities. One possibility is Pit has now replaced his Final Smash with the Three Sacred Treasures, of which the mirror is one component. This frees up Palutena to be a playable character. The other possibility is that the move has been given to Palutena herself -- she does have a functional shield on her arm, after all.
No matter which way you look at it, Palutena is likely to be added. There's no functional reason she'd be difficult to implement. She is current and a character very familiar to Sakurai. And don't pretend Sakurai's "humility" would get in the way -- it didn't stop him from adding both Meta Knight -and- King Dedede to Brawl. Palutena isn't technically his creation, anyways, even if he did breathe new life into the character with the incredible Kid Icarus Uprising.
I, for one, eagerly await the green goddess!
I hope you are right. For one, Smash needs more women. And for two, she's not a sword user! Hurrah! Her moveset could be very unique as well, seeing as she wields a staff and, of course is a magical goddess.
Sakurai does for sure love her, but I think you are overplaying her exposure a little bit. How big was Uprising as a game? Not sure. Whatever it may be, KI surely needs another rep and Smash surely needs some more girls.
BassForever
Member
Capcom's new mobile studio will most certainly have a use for him
so hey how about skull kidSome more conservative predictions:
...plus Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer.
On a serious note, I could justify every one of those guys, but of course I don't expect them all
Fuck! Someone shop Wii Fit Trainer over that motherfucker.
MAtgS
Member
The odds of her getting has got to be above 90%. The name of the Kid Icarus series in Japan is "Hikari Shinwa: Palutena no Kagami". Yeah, her name's in the title of Sakurai last game, I'm pretty sure that counts for something.I'd like to make the case for another character I want to see -- and one who I fully anticipate will make the roster:
Probably more than any other possible newcomer, Palutena has EVERYTHING in her favor:
+ Kid Icarus is eligible for another representative, and Palutena is by far and away the most relevant pick after Pit himself. Heck, the Japanese name of the series has "Palutena" right in the title. She's the "Zelda" of the series!
+ Sakurai adores her. This is plainly evident from how extensively she featured into his last game, Kid Icarus Uprising -- which may I remind you, was a HUGE game, practically a trilogy unto itself, with three acts that individually could've passed for entire games in their own right. Palutena was brilliantly portrayed every step of the way. Simply one of the best and most loveable Nintendo characters in ages.
+ Nintendo promoted the shit out of her: From the interior art of the game case, to her starring role in several of the anime shorts (including the two-parter "Palutena's Revolting Dinner"), she received top billing from Nintendo in what must've been one of their largest advertising campaigns in quite some time.
+ Her design is UNIQUE! She's a staff user, she's female, and she has green hair -- a refreshing change of pace from all of the blonde chicks. Plus, she's a goddess!
+ And correct me if I'm mistaken, but it appears Pit's Mirror Shield is gone, replaced with the Guardian Orbitars. I see a couple possibilities. One possibility is Pit has now replaced his Final Smash with the Three Sacred Treasures, of which the mirror is one component. This frees up Palutena to be a playable character. The other possibility is that the move has been given to Palutena herself -- she does have a functional shield on her arm, after all.
No matter which way you look at it, Palutena is likely to be added. There's no functional reason she'd be difficult to implement. She is current and a character very familiar to Sakurai. And don't pretend Sakurai's "humility" would get in the way -- it didn't stop him from adding both Meta Knight -and- King Dedede to Brawl. Palutena isn't technically his creation, anyways, even if he did breathe new life into the character with the incredible Kid Icarus Uprising.
I, for one, eagerly await the green goddess!
RomanceDawn
Member
No seriously, this! I agree with everything aside from forget everyone else. Sakupon as so much uniqueness about him it would be a shame to lose out on the character. Sakurai mentioned him in the Japanese Melee dojo. Ultimately he felt Sakupon was too obscure... Come on! I think now is the time! Sakupon should be our retro and WFT character. I feel like Ridley has better chances than him sadly... I love and want Ridley so bad, but I certainly don't have high hopes.
Ha, looking back on that "wet dream" roster I whipped up before E3, I see I included Banjo-Kazooie characters. I guess my self-indulgent fantasy involved Nintendo reacquiring Rare, all of its IPs and key talent, and reviving the B-K brand (yep, that's right, nothing was ever made after Banjo-Tooie, mm-hmm, yep).
Fire Emblem was another interesting case. OCD required I have -some- sort of logic, however warped, to bring structure to the inclusion of eight characters, so I think I reasoned, "Four lords, four waifus." (OK, technically FIVE lords, one of which is a waifu -- we better get Lucina, dammit!)
Fire Emblem was another interesting case. OCD required I have -some- sort of logic, however warped, to bring structure to the inclusion of eight characters, so I think I reasoned, "Four lords, four waifus." (OK, technically FIVE lords, one of which is a waifu -- we better get Lucina, dammit!)
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
We almost forgot that we're pushing for palutena pretty hard.
I'm pushing Palutena so hard, she might become pregnant
...and then I'd make Sakurai pay child support. So he better hurry up and reveal her.
She's a lock anyway. Certainly the best choice for a new Kid Icarus rep.
akidnamededdy
Banned
As much as I like Palutena, I'd really like Hades to make it into Smash. Such a great villain.
Can we get both? Please....? :-(
Can we get both? Please....? :-(
Well, we got Dedede and Meta Knight in Brawl. Sakurai might put in two Kid Icarus reps.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
You sound like one of my japanese hent-animes, yeah
oreomunsta
Banned
Yes you're right that Tom Nook would fill in a representation role for AC since that series sells like digital hot cakes. Though we're not Sakurai, can we ourselves see Nook with a moveset and playstyle that fits into Smash - preferably not a clone of Villager? Sakurai has gone out of his way to differentiate similar characters, it seems to be, looking at Mario and Luigi with his flutter jump.
Lucario was indeed insanely marketable and appeared in Brawl while Diamond and Pearl were huge. But with Black and White, Lucario was effectively replaced by Zoroark, who was admittedly used less than Lucario. With X & Y, it really seemed that Mewtwo filled in that role after Zoroark. If you have a good recent example, I'm curious to know it, but Lucario hasn't been marketed in that same vein since. He did come up with Zoroark and Mewtwo as Rumble U figurines, but that's about it. He does fill in an important gameplay niche, I'll give you that.
Wolf Link would be very surprising and would bring a really interesting playstyle to the roster, but I personally think that with more Zelda characters in, the series runs the risk of over-representation, especially since it's a third Link. The same over-representation issue can be argued with Female Pokemon Trainer.
If lots of people, like you have, have also forgotten about Lucas, I can only wonder if Sakurai feels the same way or has noticed it and what that would mean for the poor little guy. =p
Wolf, I would argue, is necessary. He fills an important villain role in the roster. He, along with Fox and Falco, have big issues with similar movesets. But to touch Fox or Falco would be sacrilege to many people, so it makes sense why Wolf would then have the finger pointed at him, being the newcomer.
I'm enjoying this convo, by the way ^^
Actually once Black 2 and White 2 where coming out, they advertised him in a way. He was in one of those animated Black 2 and White 2 promos. Lucario was revealed to have a Mega Evolution as well. I think they kinda gave up on Zoroark since he didn't really catch anyone's attention or become big like Lucario did and still is.
The Pokémon question is an interesting one. As of Generation VI, nothing really jumps out at me as "this gen's Lucario." You could, of course, literally have Lucario transform into his Mega form upon entering the stage, and represent a recent concept in that fashion. But that might not be enough.
Personally, I'd love another Pokémon Trainer -- one representing the latest generation, while Red continues to represent the first. It's doubly appropriate since X and Y let you choose from the Kalos starters and the Kanto starters.
So you'd have Pokémon Trainer Red, returning with Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard...
...and then with equal symmetry, and the type advantage, would be Pokémon Trainer Y (the female Yvonne -- gotta have those knee socks), and she'd have:
+ Chespin -- The cutest starter, he could incorporate his spines into his attacks
+ Braxien -- The coolest middle form, she could wield her pyromancer wand
+ Greninja -- The most popular final form, he would be a badass frog ninja
They obviously don't command the sort of popularity that the original starters do, but again, just by virtue of the fact they're the latest and XY allowed you to choose from two sets of starters, means they should take priority over any random combination of previous generations.
Personally, I'd love another Pokémon Trainer -- one representing the latest generation, while Red continues to represent the first. It's doubly appropriate since X and Y let you choose from the Kalos starters and the Kanto starters.
So you'd have Pokémon Trainer Red, returning with Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard...
...and then with equal symmetry, and the type advantage, would be Pokémon Trainer Y (the female Yvonne -- gotta have those knee socks), and she'd have:
+ Chespin -- The cutest starter, he could incorporate his spines into his attacks
+ Braxien -- The coolest middle form, she could wield her pyromancer wand
+ Greninja -- The most popular final form, he would be a badass frog ninja
They obviously don't command the sort of popularity that the original starters do, but again, just by virtue of the fact they're the latest and XY allowed you to choose from two sets of starters, means they should take priority over any random combination of previous generations.
Choppasmith
Member
I know it's been said before by a few people including me but I'd be happy with every character from Uprising getting in. But yeah, that's never going to happen.
I'm all for Palutena, I doubt Viridi would make it because her whole look would work great as a Red Team color for Palutena.
The idea I'm hoping for is Pit, Palutena, and Hades all with their own sets of the game's weapons since there's SO MUCH to choose from. Also I imagine Sakurai making Palutena very fragile. Slow and strong kinda like Zelda but not heavy and very easy to knock away. Should make sense to those who've played it.
The other two characters I'm really hoping for? Ghirahim and Shulk, I know the latter has especially good chances, but I'm worried Sakurai will just stick him in as an Assist Trophy.
I'm all for Palutena, I doubt Viridi would make it because her whole look would work great as a Red Team color for Palutena.
The idea I'm hoping for is Pit, Palutena, and Hades all with their own sets of the game's weapons since there's SO MUCH to choose from. Also I imagine Sakurai making Palutena very fragile. Slow and strong kinda like Zelda but not heavy and very easy to knock away. Should make sense to those who've played it.
The other two characters I'm really hoping for? Ghirahim and Shulk, I know the latter has especially good chances, but I'm worried Sakurai will just stick him in as an Assist Trophy.
Really?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
You'll say that if it's anything non-3DS.
Nintendoga
Member
Is Yellow Devil a fake out for the Ridley reveal later today?
BassForever
Member
Ha that's actually pretty cool, the stage hazard is the yellow devil attacking like he does in the game. It's really an obvious thing to do yet I didn't think about it til seeing that image.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Hey, thats pretty something
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
So is it a stage hazard? Meh... I was looking forward to the Mega Man stage.
"Pic of the day. Dismantle! Unite!! Yellow Devil!!!"
That looks really cool
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Unite?
Wonder Red confirmed!
Wonder Red confirmed!
I highly approve of this. I've wanted another Pokemon Trainer since forever (it being Serena/Yvonne would be awesome).The Pokémon question is an interesting one. As of Generation VI, nothing really jumps out at me as "this gen's Lucario." You could, of course, literally have Lucario transform into his Mega form upon entering the stage, and represent a recent concept in that fashion. But that might not be enough.
Personally, I'd love another Pokémon Trainer -- one representing the latest generation, while Red continues to represent the first. It's doubly appropriate since X and Y let you choose from the Kalos starters and the Kanto starters.
So you'd have Pokémon Trainer Red, returning with Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard...
...and then with equal symmetry, and the type advantage, would be Pokémon Trainer Y (the female Yvonne -- gotta have those knee socks), and she'd have:
+ Chespin -- The cutest starter, he could incorporate his spines into his attacks
+ Braxien -- The coolest middle form, she could wield her pyromancer wand
+ Greninja -- The most popular final form, he would be a badass frog ninja
They obviously don't command the sort of popularity that the original starters do, but again, just by virtue of the fact they're the latest and XY allowed you to choose from two sets of starters, means they should take priority over any random combination of previous generations.
Greninja would be so hype to use.
oreomunsta
Banned
Oh Neiteio, you're breaking my heart with Banjo and Kazooie ='(
For the Mega-Evolution, he was revealed alongside Blaziken, Am-Fabio-s, and three others, if I remember right. He was not given the kind of treatment Mega Mewtwo had in terms of marketing the game. On the other hand, he was prominent in the game itelf.. As for the videos, I never knew about those, so neat! I was proven wrong =)
Imagine how happy you'll be when Sakurai reveals you can turn off stage hazards!
lol
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Blue mascot sandwich on devilish yellow bread.
"Pic of the day. Dismantle! Unite!! Yellow Devil!!!"
Well damn. It looks like one hell of a stage hazard at this point..
DICKS AHOY
Banned
And Sonic was dead to me when he was announced for Brawl, since it was less than a year after Sonic '06 came out.
I'M FINISHED!
Um exCUSE me Sakurai but CLEARLY the best choice for Smash Bros would be my fav niche character HOWEVER you are clearly INCOMPETENT and
Sakurai isn't an all-star, he's a legend.
If they were to bring back Mewtwo, I think a cool way to handle his Mega Evolutions might be thusly:
Once PER STOCK, Mewtwo can choose to Mega Evolve either into Mega Mewtwo Y or Mega Mewtwo X. Each would sport a new set of moves. He could, of course, choose to stay regular-ass Mewtwo.
How would this work in a time battle? Every time Mewtwo is KO'd or falls to his demise, and returns to the stage, he would return as regular-ass Mewtwo -- and could then proceed to Mega Evolve into a different form than before.
How would Mega Evolution be handled? Eh... Tie it to left or right on the D-Pad. Those are just used for taunting these days, right? So tap Left for Y and Right for X.
Once PER STOCK, Mewtwo can choose to Mega Evolve either into Mega Mewtwo Y or Mega Mewtwo X. Each would sport a new set of moves. He could, of course, choose to stay regular-ass Mewtwo.
How would this work in a time battle? Every time Mewtwo is KO'd or falls to his demise, and returns to the stage, he would return as regular-ass Mewtwo -- and could then proceed to Mega Evolve into a different form than before.
How would Mega Evolution be handled? Eh... Tie it to left or right on the D-Pad. Those are just used for taunting these days, right? So tap Left for Y and Right for X.
SenorArdilla
Member
"Pic of the day. Dismantle! Unite!! Yellow Devil!!!"
"Unite" you say?
The Pokémon question is an interesting one. As of Generation VI, nothing really jumps out at me as "this gen's Lucario." You could, of course, literally have Lucario transform into his Mega form upon entering the stage, and represent a recent concept in that fashion. But that might not be enough.
Personally, I'd love another Pokémon Trainer -- one representing the latest generation, while Red continues to represent the first. It's doubly appropriate since X and Y let you choose from the Kalos starters and the Kanto starters.
So you'd have Pokémon Trainer Red, returning with Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard...
...and then with equal symmetry, and the type advantage, would be Pokémon Trainer Y (the female Yvonne -- gotta have those knee socks), and she'd have:
+ Chespin -- The cutest starter, he could incorporate his spines into his attacks
+ Braxien -- The coolest middle form, she could wield her pyromancer wand
+ Greninja -- The most popular final form, he would be a badass frog ninja
They obviously don't command the sort of popularity that the original starters do, but again, just by virtue of the fact they're the latest and XY allowed you to choose from two sets of starters, means they should take priority over any random combination of previous generations.
I agree and would total love that evolution lineup. Greninja is my boy. Sorry chestnaught, it just was not meant to be.
theprodigy
Member
er....Mega Evolution on command?
that seems broken, unless the megas are not actually more powerful but just alternate versions, in which case I have difficulty seeing any two of them not severly overlapping
DICKS AHOY
Banned
He's like Toad where if he got into SSB64 or Melee than I think he would've been more than justified and a popular choice, but at this point he feels too outdated and/or has too much competition, not to mention they're probably not really as popular additions as they would've been a decade ago.I still think the next most deserving Pokemon rep is Meowth.
He's still around in the anime to this day, and still fairly popular. Not to mention he's the closet thing to a villain rep for Pokemon sans Mewtwo.
I guess NSMB and 3D World makes Toad a *bit* more relevant nowadays, but Sakurai seems content keeping him Peach's neutral B.