ArchedThunder
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To be fair some characters REALLY don't deserve to be in smash... like Naruto and Batman.
I'm willing to bet Diancie is the Mew of Gen VI.
Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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Clearly you have never played a Smash Bros. game.
Falco and Fox are different. Different enough where they don't hold the same place in the tier listing in the games. Different enough where people have prefences and favorites. I guess we should take out Luigi, too huh?
And what about all the Items, and stages that don't have character reps? Those don't exist anymore, either?
Guess without that PictoChat Pen Character, we would never have the PictoChat stage!
Every character is considered on a case-by-case basis. There's no how-to-make-roster guideline sitting around the office. They add who they add based on sales, relevancy, popularity, seniority (previous titles), and to a lesser extent--personal preference. But even with those things considered, there's no hard rule. They add who they want to add when it comes up, even after established planning phases.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wouldn't surprise me that the possible next tier of argument is "worthy" franchises. That's why you'd have shit like "Wii Fit Trainer is not worthy" because apparently Wii Fit isn't a "worthy" Nintendo franchise. You'd have shit like "these franchises aren't worthy enough to have character reps so they are only shown as stages".
Would be the prettiest sprite based game in creation.
Pixel-art based Smash would take so long to animate it would be crazy.
I don't get why there would be discussion of "if you had to choose between X or Y, who would you choose". It's pointless.
Yea, that does seem like a good choice, though it won't have straight 100 for base stats.
Agreed.
This game would be nothing but Mario characters. We'd get a Goomba with no arms before we'd get WFT, or Olimar, or a Game & Watch.
Don't forget gameplay possibilities. Everyone is excited for Rosalina because she is actually popular now, but she had a great moveset potential to begin with. This is Sakurai's 4th Smash game, at this point he's probably thinking more about game balance than he is about who the internet is going to be excited about more. Sure, seniority plays a big role in this (Marth being in, for example). But for newcomers, I don't think it means people are a shoe-in just because they are popular and relevant. Roy, for example, missed Brawl, and as much as a love him, don't see him coming back because he's not super relevant, he doesn't add anything that new to gameplay (he's pretty similar to Ike, but not identical), and he doesn't really have seniority.
Mewtwo is a similar case, although in Brawl he was replaced by Lucario, which, for all intents and purposes, started out as a Mewtwo clone. However, Mewtwo definitely is more popular and relevant than Roy has ever been, so I think he's got a good chance of returning.
Anyhow, I think gameplay possibilities are an important thing to consider when thinking about who will be in/out, especially in the cases of newcomers and those characters who were veterans that skipped Brawl. If, for example, we get Roy and Mewtwo back, maybe it's because Sakurai will change their moveset to be unlike Marth (and Ike) and Lucario, respectively.
Because of all this, I think Little Mac is a obvious newcomer because of his popularity, relevance and potential gameplay possibilities. I also think Palutena has a good chance based on gameplay possibilities and Sakurai's personal preference alone.
SkullHydra
Member
The 3DS version should be sprite based in order to differentiate it from the Wii U version, as well as being awesome.
With Neorice providing the art of course.
Red Arremer
Member
I agree.
Keep in mind that Falco (who seems to be rubbing the most people the wrong way), Young Link, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Roy and Ganondorf all made it into Melee for one reason, and one reason only - Sakurai's team had some more development time, so they added a couple more characters to the roster, but since the dev time was limited, they made clones.
And out of those clones, only Falco, Ganondorf and Young Link (now Toon Link) survived. That's only half of them.
Granted, Roy and Doc were at least planned for Brawl in some shape or form, but they still didn't make the cut in the end so they're a non-factor.
Also honestly, I still don't understand why people reduce characters onto one specific set of moves either - Wolf, Lucas and Luigi all have movesets that are completely unique. Wolf and Lucas share some similarities with Fox and Ness respectively, and Luigi has been a clone since Smash 64, but nobody thinks Luigi or Ganondorf should be cut. Heck even Toon Link gets less hate, and he's the cloniest of all clones. Why? Because they're more popular? Why do their fans "deserve" getting to play with their favorite characters, more than those of Falco, Lucas, Wolf etc.?
And that's not even considering completely unique characters that people want getting the axe. Lucario, Ike, Ice Climbers, ROB, Snake, Jigglypuff and Game & Watch seem to be the most popular "targets" for this. And I just don't understand it.
This is one of the main reasons I don't like coming to this thread often. It's always so negative. Constantly those talks about who should be removed from the roster and why, and how certain characters are more similar than others in terms of their movesets (even though in some cases that's only true for a fraction of moves), and whenever a new character gets revealed, people are spitting acid about how it's a waste of a slot and how their favorite character would be so much more deserving.
See this? This is absolute bogus. Lucario shares 1 (ONE) move with Mewtwo, which is the chargyball. And they're both a bit floaty and have similar effects with shooting little pewpewballs with their throws. But that's it. Also, never ever did anybody state that Lucario REPLACED Mewtwo. Mewtwo was supposed to be in the game until the very last minute, and he's still got several dummy files in the game. It's more likely that Sonic is the one who replaced Mewtwo, since it's obvious that Lucario has been there since the beginning, given his heavy involvement with SSE.
Bill Rizer
Member
Sakurai should definitely add an heavy "grappler" character at this point. But I dunno, who could that be??
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
This is not about needing, its about wanting, I am completely fine with wolf and falco, you know why, cause im a damn starfox fan? this game is catering to me, and pretty 100% of nintendo fans by doing what its doing, falco or wolf being in the game, had no barring if saki or isaac was plyable, they didnt stop that from happening, infact sakurai made the conscious decision to make saki a AT, for the most likely reason being that he couldnt think of a full moveset at the time.
Yeah, that skipped my mind. For sure. It could be a super obscure character, but if the character has some crazy gameplay potential, then it plays into the decision too.
It's why I want to see playable Excitebiker, even though it's pretty unlikely.
A shame too, since I main him. I understand why people are so against clones, but if they were added late in development because they could squeeze in a few more characters, I don't see the harm.
Ridler
He should be able to grapple characters and suicide fly them off the stage. Need more suicide moves.
Neorice did a nice 'Shop of just such an idea.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
azure, bro we're on the same level.
Red Arremer
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You're twisting what I'm saying. Falco and Wolf are both space animal fighters that use similar weapons. Its the FOUNDATION I'm looking at. Take the characters and pretend they are from a different game entirely. Would they be different conceptually, no.
Falcon and Ness DID bring music, victory music and they were both great tunes. Did I say they always bring stages or that stages need a rep? No, I said that characters of new franchises usually more often than not bring new music and stages with them. Falco and Wolf did not bring a thing.
People are also getting distracted on why I brought up Mewtwo. I brought up Mewtwo because he was cut, I never said I thought he deserved it. But I did bring up if the consequences of a cut Mewtwo were as bad a people make them out to be? Did it cause major backlash? Is the consequence of a cut character that big of a deal if you are adding new content in its place? Brawl sold more than Melee despite being considered inferior from fanatics. Popularity is not THAT significant of a factor.
Its like once a person gets their character in one game, it doesn't stop there. Now the character must always stay in. That can't be fun for the developers. I've seen no other major series get much backlash for character axes in fighting games beyond clearly stupid ones like with the original Street Fighter 3. Cuts are not a big deal, people will just play the old games.
Well, I said I think he started as a Mewtwo clone...and then changed his moves around.
And I was always under the impression that Mewtwo was replaced by Lucario. Both are powerful, humanoid Pokemon that can do energy attacks. I still think Mewtwo is coming back regardless, though.
Oh, he'll be the next reveal for sure.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
naw dude, mewtwo basically was almost done and has tons of code on the brawl disc, he was cut at the very last minute.
I would buy two WiiUs and a three dees if that happened.
Can you guys even imagine what Excitebiker could do??
Excitebiker could be a chick you know
Donkey Kong. He already has an interesting grab, and those giant arms could be modified for some new special moves.
Clear proof that Ridley is too big; he had to be photographed next to Kraid to not feel self-conscious about his weight.
Well, I concede I was mistaken, then. I wonder why he was cut if he was almost done.
Well, Smash needs more women, so...I'm down. Moveset would be badass, for sure. There' need to be a Metroid-style reveal at one point where she takes off her helmet and reveals she's a girl, though.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
both of those are boxers tho
Interestingly enough, I wanted Toad to be the defacto grappler with my justification being how he was always the best power lifter as per SMB2. Just imagining tiny ass Toad hitting people with various holds and piledrivers should be enough to get anyone to crack a smile, especially if he could lift while moving as fast as he did in SMB2 while carrying items or enemies holding someone.
Red Arremer
Member
Would that make Mewtwo a Samus clone, then? After all, she was the first who got that charge shot neutral special, and she also is a bit floaty.
I mean, the fact alone that Lucario has this pretty in-depth mechanic about him shows that he wasn't conceived merely as a clone. I also heavily doubt that they would make a character and then go through his moves one-by-one to change them.
Aside from that, Lucario's body type, movement and attacks are all 100% different, except for the neutral special.
It's all based on speculation, but Sakurai mentioned that working with GameFreak was difficult. I imagine that there was something they wanted to be changed that Sakurai's team couldn't in time. Or, perhaps, they actually DID replace him with Sonic - perhaps he was the least along in development, and it was decided that he should be scrapped cause they couldn't finish both on time (despite the delayed releases).
Red Arremer
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wat about dis gai
oreomunsta
Banned
You mean Super Smash Flash? =)
A lot of people have a hard-on for this guy.
HOLY SHIT I LOVE BUGZY PLEASE YESwat about dis gai
It seems we've agreed on newcomers twice today.
Red Arremer
Member
Forged waste is all I see.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
A lot of people have a hard-on for this guy.
HOLY SHIT I LOVE BUGZY PLEASE YES
He's big and black and carries a long huge....sword
A lot of people think with their swords.
Red Arremer
Member
I don't get the hate for Sacred Stones. It's the only FE I played, and I really enjoyed it.
And honestly, Lyon could offer such an interesting moveset too. Based on both necromancy/dark magic as well as the Fire Emblem spells.
Also hate to toot my own horn again, but I even made a fan 'set for him 
You know, that'd be amazing. Just seeing him throw Bowser, Dedede, Ganondorf etc. around. That image is too good. Make it happen in Sakurai!
his true identity was a huge letdown
He might not be heavy, but no one's better at picking things up.
And maybe politely placing them in their correct location.
I think Sakurai should add a kart as a playable character.
I dunno, I haven't played any of the games he appeared in.