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women much mysteri

Just got off the phone with her. We talked for about an hour, and I'm even more confused. Essentially told me that she was just in an awkward situation and wanted to be respectful to the other guy. Told me she felt an actual connection with me and enjoyed the time spent with me, and the other guy is just a nice person. I don't know anything anymore.

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such confusion
wow

women much mysteri

Just got off the phone with her. We talked for about an hour, and I'm even more confused. Essentially told me that she was just in an awkward situation and wanted to be respectful to the other guy. Told me she felt an actual connection with me and enjoyed the time spent with me, and the other guy is just a nice person. I don't know anything anymore.

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I don't understand... Does that mean she doesn't want anything serious with the other dude?
 
For some of us, it can take a while to get past that threshold of pain, unfortunately.

I'd say what's helped the most is trying different positions and finding what's most comfortable. And of course, doing it often! It started hurting less and less and I can last longer, although the pain comes back if I go too long without penetration. You can also try to get her off before penetration starts. Oh and get her a nice dildo! That way she can have something to do on her own or if you're together it gives a bit more control and can help her ease into it.

This is good to hear. It's essentially been our strategy up until this point and it's reassuring to hear this. It's been more a comfort thing with her; I'm willing to do whatever position but it's difficult to convince her that she can lead as well, as obviously I cannot feel the pain. We'll get there.

And regarding the dildo, she actually doesn't enjoy pleasuring herself (weird right?), so that may actually be a good plan.
 
Going out for drinks or whatever with a girl tonight. We've been talking on the phone a couple of times. All i can think of right now: sex. I just want to do things to her :}
 
I was talking to Minamu and gave him my thoughts on the matter, but what you wrote is not something I ever considered. Very insightful, you should post more often! :)

Thanks! This means a lot to me coming from you.

I kinda did tell her I was happy she was seeing someone else too xD I mentioned how I had had sleeping company the same night she went home (which was true and we did not do anything else pretty much) for the sake of honesty and as if she was misunderstanding me on purpose, she called me out on having double standards :lol

XD well done. She deserved to be brought back to reality.

My main problems are twofold I think now. 1. I keep telling myself I only want short FWB relationships and I still want to party hard and meet new girls/people so I'm conflicted in what I truly want because my heart is most likely screaming for love and a girlfriend. My intense kisses (who has EVER been rejected for being a too passionate kisser? I still can't find my jaw on the ground after that comment), my deep desire for cuddling after sex and being very intimate during movies etc hint at that fact.

This is FWB like I do and to me it's exactly how it should be. I think the only issue here is that you get blindsided by guilt-tripping: the positive vibe works very well for you because you already had that in you, and whatever teaching/experience you got from Brent Smith, it simply let it blossom faster and to a bigger effect. It's infective and genuine.
You have a gift to deal with people in a natural and sociable way that I deeply envy (in an healthy way ;D ) and I'm not surprised that I never read in your post about this guy or that guy moving in on "your" girl, picking at you or cockblocking you during an interaction with a girl. Not getting this type of negative attention in a place like a club is HUGE.
Now, from time to time you meet girls who feed off of this positivity (the girl who welcomed you every night in the club with an angry face definitely fits into this category) and when they can't have it anymore, they will make sure to destroy it so that no one else is going to get it.

2. I have a lot of trouble controlling emotions, especially negative ones. I lose my cool head in an instant if I'm hurt and act out on emotions without any rationality from time to time. Emotional immaturity possibly but I have no idea how to practice getting better at that. More and more emotional situations for experience I guess but I'm also hurting a lot along the way.

My way to deal with this is to embrace it and to use the cause of these negative emotions to actually ignore girls and lash back in a way that is indirect and passive (cutting contacts), so they can never make me the guilty one with their games. I mean, if I'm so awful to be around stop being around me instead of declaring you have the intention to do it.
This also helps you because when they will want you back (proven they are playing games and that they haven't had enough of you) you won't sell yourself out in an heartbeat and she will have to work to get your attention and interest back. Judging from how you are handling your newfound relationship with your ex-girlfriend I guess you are doing pretty much the same thing I'm talking about.

Edit: Point 2 is what fucked me up the worst here. Granted, she dropped the bomb at like 1 or 2am and I freaked out. Had I kept my calm I probably could've prevented it and diffused her anxiety and worries more easily. While she was acting really weird, I certainly didn't help by turning into a whiny bitch ;) On the other hand, I had never been in that situation before where a girl asks me if it's okay that she meets someone else. She made it sound as if it was my semi-negative reaction that caused her to want to leave me but as we fought, she crumbled and said she had already made the decision alone before even asking me if it was okay to meet a new guy (that kind of stuff she pulled is what pissed me off the most).

I think this stems from a problem that a lot of guys come to experience, myself included. Guys keep on talking about how girls fall for the bad guy, but forget to mention guys also fall for the bad girl. The girl that pushes your buttons and challenges you a bit (A BIT!) a girl that actually brings something to the table instead of just listening to all the music you like, watching every movie you like or EVEN WORST watches the movies everyone is watching and listens to bands everyone is raving about. Somehow all your friends (guys and girls) don't approve of her, but she gives awesome sex, never acts as if she is tired of you (when she is tired of you, she will tell you as if it's the most natural thing XD) she is always spreading some new skin cream on her legs while you are playing a decisive match on Gears 3, and has some weird art-project going on about moulding glass which culminates in her presenting you with a city trapped in a glass bowl, which she saw in an issue of your beloved Sandman paperbacks.
Of course they play games: they want their individuality to matter, so they want you but at the same time they want you to "pay" for it, so they elaborate all these hoops and tests to make sure they won't give away what they are worth for free. Hardly a sick attitude, in my opinion. If ever, a guy needs to learn when enough is enough and make her stop when she goes overboard and starts to erode your dignity, making a big deal out of sex and have you beg for it, or making it look as the time she is giving you is given to you by her endless mercy for all living creatures.
Which comes to the main issue: people need to let go the idea that manipulation is a bad thing. The very fact of calling it "manipulation" has a negative implication and makes it look like everything done outside of clear-cut communication is a bad thing: who would ever want a girl saying stuff like "you look attractive and your broad shoulders make you look strong. I don't mind that mole on your face because it's compensated by your average income as store manager. I give you my consent to mate with you".
People feel threatened by "manipulation" because they see it at its worst instead of its best.
An example of its best? artists manipulate you!: what they write, depict or sing of is conceived to inspire you, challenge you, and move you. You feel the emotions they want you to experience, and you expose yourself to their art willingly.
The idea that all manipulation comes from a bad place, a place of aggression, resentment and ill-will, is mistaken. And in relationships? you will make a big deal out of a bag of tricks (guilt-tripping, unavailability to communication, indecision between two guys) that is designed to trap you in a maze of morality and emotional-restraint. If people would really despise manipulation they wouldn't get caught into these traps: they would see them for what they are and would avoid them.
I like girls who are manipulative, but I also divide them into girls who are simply socially skilled and girls who play the only card they have (manipulation under the unspoken promise of sex/love) and I only go for the first. Not that it guarantees results XD but hey, whatever the outcome they are always fun.

TLDR: Merry Christmas everyone :D
 
Going out for drinks or whatever with a girl tonight. We've been talking on the phone a couple of times. All i can think of right now: sex. I just want to do things to her :}

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This was was too easy. I couldn't resist. :p

And Merry Christmas to the Eastern Hemisphere folks.

I'm gonna see if I get back on the OKC grind starting tomorrow until the Spring semester starts late next month. Not really looking forward to it since it's very rote and pics are pretty much make it or break it, but I'm sure persistence will pay off for the hundreds of messages to send off.

And I've yet to hit up the Spaniard girl on FB. I think I'll do it tomorrow to see what up with her. I'm not going to tell her I got an F on the class if she asks me what grade I got. I admittedly still feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea of hitting her up through there but don't really have much of an option unless I bump into her by coincidence next semester. Then again, the longer I wait, the worse it's gonna get so screw it.
 
I keep telling myself I only want short FWB relationships and I still want to party hard and meet new girls/people so I'm conflicted in what I truly want because my heart is most likely screaming for love and a girlfriend.
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Seriously, there are relationship set-ups that allow you both the lovey-dovey girlfriend thing and the thrill of meeting new people. Don't let yourself be restricted by "you can only have this or this."
 
I should maybe post when I can post more detail but I had an amazing 5/6 month relationship with someone. We knew I was moving away but were totally close. We fought a few weeks before I moved away and now she hardly seems interested in contacting me.

I just don't get how little that 5/6 months meant to her. I would love to keep communicating on a regular basis (and at least continue on as friends with a strong friendship) but she seems quite content to cut me out of her life. :(
 
Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas too, and soon a happy New Year. I hope everyone is having a great holiday season.

I'm home with the family right now, but flying to meet my girlfriend on Friday. Really looking forward to celebrating her birthday and New Years Eve with her.
 
I should maybe post when I can post more detail but I had an amazing 5/6 month relationship with someone. We knew I was moving away but were totally close. We fought a few weeks before I moved away and now she hardly seems interested in contacting me.

I just don't get how little that 5/6 months meant to her. I would love to keep communicating on a regular basis (and at least continue on as friends with a strong friendship) but she seems quite content to cut me out of her life. :(
She's trying to move on. It doesn't mean she doesn't care about you anymore. If she wants to be friends, she'll do it after she no longer has those emotions for you.
 
This is the first year where I've really been depressed to be alone on Christmas. Well, not alone so much...I have friends and family, but still no significant other to share it with. I need to find something this coming year...enough of this shit.

Supposed to be seeing a girl on New Year's Eve, and I've been "introduced" to a girl through a coworker (though I've only been texting her so far). The first girl I really like, but she's so distant when we're not talking face to face (slow to respond to texts/messages, if at all...and no, I'm not bombarding her with texts or anything). The second girl...well I have yet to meet her so we'll see how that works out.

I don't think I'm bad looking and my interests are varied enough so I think I'm a somewhat interesting person, so it's a little frustrating I have yet to really click with anyone so far. Still, I've made a fair bit of growth over the last year or two, so there's still hope.
 
Just recently like 2 days ago signed up on two dating websites, threw up a few pictures and wrote a description of myself. Generally I'm messaging girls starting with saying hello and hoping their week is going well, and then asking about their hobbies and interests. I assume that's alright to do? I'm trying not to make generic messages and tailor it for each person. It's been about 30 messages across the two services with no replies yet, but I'm hoping I'll get one soon! Should I be mentioning that they're gorgeous? I haven't been doing that haha.
 
This is the first year where I've really been depressed to be alone on Christmas. Well, not alone so much...I have friends and family, but still no significant other to share it with. I need to find something this coming year...enough of this shit.
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It was first Christmas for me to be alone in five years and only Steam deals kept me sober and not depressed.
Met a girl last month, but we are still in talk zone and probably will stay on this level for quite some time.
 
I'm not sure what's with this girl I'm chatting too. We talk every day and she even send a photo of herself just for me today saying "good morning! :)". The thing is she pretty much ignores my flirting and date hints but at the same time, she doesn't act negatively towards them either. Though I did ask if she wanted to get some drinks at night but found out she doesn't drink alcohol so maybe she was weird about that or embarrassed? She also doesn't like going out to big things, she's a very relax with a friend or two or go to the movies/play a game instead of going out to clubs kind of girl. So maybe she's just shy or introverted and not good with it? I just can't get a reading on her.

She did say she has nothing planned for new years so maybe I should ask her out to lunch or maybe go to a movie? I'd normally avoid movies but she's a huge movie buff so it might be her style.
 
I still have no idea what is going on with this girl. We texted throughout the day yesterday, and she kept ignoring me when I asked if she wanted to hang out last night. She finally called and said that she didn't feel comfortable since she has feelings for me. When I finally leave my parents, I call her and we ended up talking for a couple of hours about past relationships and stuff like that. She finally says she might be able to do something on Saturday.

I haven't really been pushy about that other guy, so I don't know if she just wants some time to tell him what's up, or if Saturday will just be a friend date. #lyfe2confuse4me
 
I still have no idea what is going on with this girl. We texted throughout the day yesterday, and she kept ignoring me when I asked if she wanted to hang out last night. She finally called and said that she didn't feel comfortable since she has feelings for me. When I finally leave my parents, I call her and we ended up talking for a couple of hours about past relationships and stuff like that. She finally says she might be able to do something on Saturday.

I haven't really been pushy about that other guy, so I don't know if she just wants some time to tell him what's up, or if Saturday will just be a friend date. #lyfe2confuse4me
Uh. Seems like she's implying that she doesn't want a relationship with you?
 
Long distance girl has become very quiet as of late. I'm really bummed. I thought I finally met someone. =(

She could be going through something personally that she doesn't feel comfortable sharing, or she could be fading on the relationship. Tell her she has been quiet as of late and ask her what's up. If she's not interested in the long distance relationship anymore, better to know as early as possible.

I'm not sure what's with this girl I'm chatting too. We talk every day and she even send a photo of herself just for me today saying "good morning! :)". The thing is she pretty much ignores my flirting and date hints but at the same time, she doesn't act negatively towards them either. Though I did ask if she wanted to get some drinks at night but found out she doesn't drink alcohol so maybe she was weird about that or embarrassed?
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It's not that uncommon for a girl not to act negatively towards flirting even when she has no interest. Girls, especially shy ones or who don't have a lot of experience, sometimes feel bad and will not say anything negative while not responding to the come-ons.

Guys approach these situations differently. Some ask very directly if the girl has any interest or not and push her to answer. Other guys, and this is more my approach, stop flirting and file the girl in the "probably not happening" category and move on. If she starts showing interest, you go from there. If not, it just confirms she wasn't interested. Up to you which approach you choose.

Doesn't drink, though? Sounds boring :)

I still have no idea what is going on with this girl. We texted throughout the day yesterday, and she kept ignoring me when I asked if she wanted to hang out last night. She finally called and said that she didn't feel comfortable since she has feelings for me.

See what I said above. I may have missed something from your earlier posts - apologies if I did - but If a girl says she doesn't feel comfortable hanging out because she has feelings for you, it's probably because she doesn't have feelings for you. And anyway, she is involved with some other guy, so I'd leave that alone until/unless she says, "Let's hang out."

This is really my best advice to all of you pursuing girls who are not saying "no" but also not saying "yes": stop pursuing them. It is true that there are girls who are just shy and it may take some work initially to get them to agree to hanging out. However, if multiple attempts illicit no response, then this is likely someone who isn't interested. If she's so shy she pretends like she doesn't want to hang out, then that's likely not someone you want to date anyway.

If you let it go and they suddenly start showing interest, then at least you've got something to work with.
 
It's not that uncommon for a girl not to act negatively towards flirting even when she has no interest. Girls, especially shy ones or who don't have a lot of experience, sometimes feel bad and will not say anything negative while not responding to the come-ons.

Guys approach these situations differently. Some ask very directly if the girl has any interest or not and push her to answer. Other guys, and this is more my approach, stop flirting and file the girl in the "probably not happening" category and move on. If she starts showing interest, you go from there. If not, it just confirms she wasn't interested. Up to you which approach you choose.

Why not just stop talking though if she has no interest? In fact, she seemed a bit upset that I didn't talk to her for a few days. There was a mix up and she never got my message but she basically said "I thought you stopped talking and lost interest. Its happened before so I didn't want to bother you..." and when I said I'm glad we're talking again she said "So am I". She also starts the conversation about half of the time.
 
Uh. Seems like she's implying that she doesn't want a relationship with you?

See what I said above. I may have missed something from your earlier posts - apologies if I did - but If a girl says she doesn't feel comfortable hanging out because she has feelings for you, it's probably because she doesn't have feelings for you. And anyway, she is involved with some other guy, so I'd leave that alone until/unless she says, "Let's hang out."

This is really my best advice to all of you pursuing girls who are not saying "no" but also not saying "yes": stop pursuing them. It is true that there are girls who are just shy and it may take some work initially to get them to agree to hanging out. However, if multiple attempts illicit no response, then this is likely someone who isn't interested. If she's so shy she pretends like she doesn't want to hang out, then that's likely not someone you want to date anyway.

If you let it go and they suddenly start showing interest, then at least you've got something to work with.

I really don't think that's it. It's not exactly like she is seeing this other guy. She met both of us around the same time, and wanted to casually date while getting to know us. I said fine, he flipped out, and she felt it was the proper thing to do to respect his feelings since she met him first.

I honestly think she's just in an awkward situation and doesn't want to do anything behind anyone's back.

And as for the bolded: after she told me the deal the other day, I did tell her I didn't think we should talk/hang out anymore. She seemed pretty upset by that and didn't want to stop talking, for whatever that's worth.
 
I'm not sure what's with this girl I'm chatting too. We talk every day and she even send a photo of herself just for me today saying "good morning! :)". The thing is she pretty much ignores my flirting and date hints but at the same time, she doesn't act negatively towards them either. Though I did ask if she wanted to get some drinks at night but found out she doesn't drink alcohol so maybe she was weird about that or embarrassed? She also doesn't like going out to big things, she's a very relax with a friend or two or go to the movies/play a game instead of going out to clubs kind of girl. So maybe she's just shy or introverted and not good with it? I just can't get a reading on her.

She did say she has nothing planned for new years so maybe I should ask her out to lunch or maybe go to a movie? I'd normally avoid movies but she's a huge movie buff so it might be her style.


Every woman is different. I've met some overly flirtatious hot ones and some really serious, hell no I'm not flirting with you, ones. I met a super cute woman like that over the summer. I tried everything in text but she simply wouldn't flirt back. I made obvious jokes, she thought I was serious. We both live in the Pacific NW now but grew up minutes away from each other north of Boston. I'm thinking that this would help connect the two of us more easily. You know, shared experiences. I was wrong.

We met in person, had a pleasant conversation (still no flirting), and I never saw her again. She left with a platonic, "Well, it was nice meeting you." The death knell at the end of a date. Usually I'm good at getting a woman to open up, she wasn't having any of it. I'm thinking this is just her personality.

In your case I'd ask her out, she may have hinted when she told you she has no plans for New Years. I wouldn't see a movie though, bad first date idea. You and her need to talk and get to know each other. She's not going to feel connected to you if she never gets the chance to understand who you are. Offer an appetizer and a nonalcoholic drink. Keep it easy, simple and affordable. No fancy elaborate things.
 
There's a dating thread awesome!

Okay i'm new to this whole dating thing i'm 19, but i guess it's time to start taking girls out.

I promised this girl that i was going to take her out during the winter break but i have no idea where to go or do(first date ever). I was thinking of taking her skating but i don't know how to skate so i don't really want to be embarrassed. Also if we were to go i'd rather go to a smaller one.

Also thinking of taking her to museum which may or may not work. I'm not a huge fan myself not sure if she is but it might be cool.

What do you guys think?
 
Posted this in another thread, didn't want to hijack that one so I'll post this here and discuss.

Last night, my wife and I (been together 3 years) got into an argument over my step daughters boyfriend. I can't stand the guy, they have a kid together so my wife wants me to give him a third or fourth chance. I said no way yo!

She got mad and told me "thanks for ruining Christmas for me". I even apologized later that night. It was like eating a shit sandwich for dinner and a shit cake for dessert. She wasn't accepting my apology, slept in different bedrooms and still haven't talked to each other since last night at 9pm.

Feels like things can descend into madness (read: breakup) at any time.
 
There's a dating thread awesome!

Okay i'm new to this whole dating thing i'm 19, but i guess it's time to start taking girls out.

I promised this girl that i was going to take her out during the winter break but i have no idea where to go or do(first date ever). I was thinking of taking her skating but i don't know how to skate so i don't really want to be embarrassed. Also if we were to go i'd rather go to a smaller one.

Also thinking of taking her to museum which may or may not work. I'm not a huge fan myself not sure if she is but it might be cool.

What do you guys think?
Ask her what she wants to do. In general*, things go better if you have a plan in mind (not "I'd like to take you out," but "let's go _____".)

Do something where you can talk. I like the skating idea---she might find your inability endearing. Don't worry about embarrassing yourself---just act naturally and if she likes you, she likes you.

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Last date I had, I met the girl online two days before I was leaving for winter break and made it very clear that this was an impromptu, slightly-inconvenient-but-I-wanted-to plan. I asked "well, what do you want to do" and she said she didn't care, so we got coffee and then went back to my place to "watch Parks and Rec." We did watch Parks and Rec. That's why I said "in general," because if someone is interested you have a much more comfortable margin of error.

Posted this in another thread, didn't want to hijack that one so I'll post this here and discuss.

Last night, my wife and I (been together 3 years) got into an argument over my step daughters boyfriend. I can't stand the guy, they have a kid together so my wife wants me to give him a third or fourth chance. I said no way yo!
Why can't you stand the guy? Personal preference or has he done Bad Things?
 
Why not just stop talking though if she has no interest? In fact, she seemed a bit upset that I didn't talk to her for a few days. There was a mix up and she never got my message but she basically said "I thought you stopped talking and lost interest. Its happened before so I didn't want to bother you..." and when I said I'm glad we're talking again she said "So am I". She also starts the conversation about half of the time.

Because she probably enjoys talking to you. That doesn't mean she wants anything more. Now, you'd think it should still be ok to hang out, and it should be. When she told you she doesn't drink, did you suggest doing something else? Or did you just say "ok" and drop it? This really goes back to ignoring the flirting and hanging out thing. If she's ignoring, dodging, or making excuses in response to requests to hang out, it should tell you something.

Girls sometimes say shit over text and phone that a lot of guys take as interest when it's not, even if it seems obvious. As an example: I recently met a girl who I discovered I had first met when I was 16 - 14 years ago. We caught up and hung out a few times and she would do shit like tackle me and put her arm around me when we'd stand together talking to other people and text me flirty shit when we'd be sitting across from each other with other people. Obviously wants to fuck, right? I invite her out to dinner and she says she has been dying to go to the restaurant I picked and seems excited. Then...she stands me up, making up some excuse about how her phone was dead, she was babysitting, and we had never "solidified the plans." I know no other guy popped in in-between, so why did this happen? The answer: because girls.

Sometimes think they want something when they don't, and sometimes think they don't want something and then change their mind. Sometimes they genuinely just want to flirt and that's it. This scenario turned out for the best, since I was talking to another girl at the time who has now been my gf for a few months and who is amazing. And when the other girl texted me to meet up at a hockey game and I brought the new gf, she was visibly and verbally jealous. Funny how that works!

Again, my advice would be to file this in the "probably not interested" category until you have some real evidence to move her into the "interested" one. It doesn't mean you give up completely. You can still talk and if you happen to hang out then you can get a feel for what's going on at that time, and things may develop from there. The issue is convincing yourself she is interested because of texts and even long phone conversations, investing emotional effort into it, and then having to inevitably admit to yourself that she was never interested, at which point it stings.

I really don't think that's it. It's not exactly like she is seeing this other guy. She met both of us around the same time, and wanted to casually date while getting to know us. I said fine, he flipped out, and she felt it was the proper thing to do to respect his feelings since she met him first.

I honestly think she's just in an awkward situation and doesn't want to do anything behind anyone's back.

And as for the bolded: after she told me the deal the other day, I did tell her I didn't think we should talk/hang out anymore. She seemed pretty upset by that and didn't want to stop talking, for whatever that's worth.

Like the poster above, you should file her in "probably not interested" until something changes. I don't even get this other guy thing. Is it her boyfriend or not? If not, what the hell does it matter that he flipped out?

Also, I'm not sure why you would say you shouldn't talk or hang out. I don't see the issue of interacting with her as a friend, especially if this really is a case of not wanting to do something behind someone's back. Once she resolves that, maybe you guys can pursue something.
 
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You can never go wrong with coffee as a first date. Plan skating for the second date, she'll respect the fact that you're trying even if you suck. Also, sucking at an activity together can bring some good laughs. Finally, don't ask her what she wants to do. Make sure you plan the first few dates, then take her input later.

Its not that I don't think you should value her input, its just that some people tend to interpret indecisiveness as weakness. Its stupid but its reality.
 
There's a dating thread awesome!

Okay i'm new to this whole dating thing i'm 19, but i guess it's time to start taking girls out.

I promised this girl that i was going to take her out during the winter break but i have no idea where to go or do(first date ever). I was thinking of taking her skating but i don't know how to skate so i don't really want to be embarrassed. Also if we were to go i'd rather go to a smaller one.

Also thinking of taking her to museum which may or may not work. I'm not a huge fan myself not sure if she is but it might be cool.

What do you guys think?
Oh to turn back the clock and be 19 again. Like many folks in this thread, you're overthinking about it. Ice skating and museums are good date ideas regardless of age. The good thing about ice skating is that both of you will be busting your asses and laughing about it. Plus you'll have an easy excuse to hold her hand. I don't think there's anything embarassing about it; especially if it's both of you have never done it.

As for museums, I don't know where you live but here in NYC, there's a ton of good museums/exhibitions to go to in Manhattan alone. Look into an interesting exhibition in your city and go check it out. Museums are good cheap places to shoot the breeze at and poke fun of art. If exhibitions are interactive, then all the more of a reason to go. You can also go to art galleries since you don't have to pay a dime to go in.

Edit: I'll agree with stn about keeping it casual. Usually first dates are mainly all about conversations so maybe a coffee shop is not a bad idea. But again, I wouldn't rule out the museum as a first date; ice skating as a second or third date idea.
 
The good thing about ice skating is that both of you will be busting your asses and laughing about it. Plus you'll have an easy excuse to hold her hand.

This. Skating = fun, loud, much laughing and talking, handholding, body contact
Museum = rather silent, slow-ish, not very intimate.

I'd go with skating as well, and I HATE skating.
 
Well I did meet her on a dating site and she was the one that asked for my number. Surely that means some interest?

Ok, normally I'd agree, so to re-ask: what happened after you invited her for drinks and said she doesn't drink? Did you suggest something else for you guys to do? Have you asked her out since then? The thing is: what she is doing and saying now is more important than what she did/said in the past. Just go by the guideline that if she is ignoring, dodging, or otherwise making excuses every time you ask her to hang out, then she probably doesn't want to hang out. Is this strange given she asked for your number? Yes and no. Yes because to normal people asking for a number suggests interest; no because girls are weird and do this kind of shit all the time.

Look at my example. we were not just texting, we were actually hanging out multiple times and she was always physical with me. By any standard that's begging for it. Then I got stood up for dinner and she didn't even mention re-scheduling. Then she invites me to come hang out and I bring my gf and she acts jealous. And you thought your girl/situation was confusing?
 
Ok, normally I'd agree, so to re-ask: what happened after you invited her for drinks and said she doesn't drink? Did you suggest something else for you guys to do? Have you asked her out since then? The thing is: what she is doing and saying now is more important than what she did/said in the past. Just go by the guideline that if she is ignoring, dodging, or otherwise making excuses every time you ask her to hang out, then she probably doesn't want to hang out. Is this strange given she asked for your number? Yes and no. Yes because to normal people asking for a number suggests interest; no because girls are weird and do this kind of shit all the time.

Look at my example. we were not just texting, we were actually hanging out multiple times and she was always physical with me. By any standard that's begging for it. Then I got stood up for dinner and she didn't even mention re-scheduling. Then she invites me to come hang out and I bring my gf and she acts jealous. And you thought your girl/situation was confusing?

When I asked it was fairly early on and she was unsure. She said "maybe" and to see how things went with us until that day. Then later I found out she didn't drink so that date was a bad one to suggest anyway. I haven't asked her out again yet but have hinted at still wanting to take her out. I was thinking of asking properly again on Saturday for sometime next week.
 
When I asked it was fairly early on and she was unsure. She said "maybe" and to see how things went with us until that day. Then later I found out she didn't drink so that date was a bad one to suggest anyway. I haven't asked her out again yet but have hinted at still wanting to take her out. I was thinking of asking properly again on Saturday for sometime next week.

Yeah. Stop hinting and just do it; it can only serve you well. Being direct tells her you're not shy or scared and gives you an idea of whether this can go somewhere or not.

Why wait till Saturday? Do it now. The answer on Saturday is almost certainly not going to be any different than it will be today.
 
So not sure if I should share this or not but what the hell

Thinking about breaking up with my girlfriend of a year and a half

Numerous reasons (no cheating) but a major issue is we live together and how to break it to her

The only reason I haven't done it already is she'll be devastated and I do care about her, anyone have a similar situation?

What do you do if you live together?
 
So not sure if I should share this or not but what the hell

Thinking about breaking up with my girlfriend of a year and a half

Numerous reasons (no cheating) but a major issue is we live together and how to break it to her

The only reason I haven't done it already is she'll be devastated and I do care about her, anyone have a similar situation?

What do you do if you live together?

I've gone through the motions with someone like that.
I've have it worse where the girl didn't really have a place for all her stuff, and there was a damn lot of it, so I was in a real bind as to how to get it out. Not the cleanest breakup, tears, yelling, etc. At the end of the day though, I'm not the kind of person to throw someone's stuff on the front lawn and just leave it there.

Got a storage container unit, prepaid it for a few months, handed her the key and that was it. Her problem was more of a matter of self confidence than anything else. I was probably naïve at the time, wasting time trying to get a person to see themselves as I saw them when they'd rather play a victim. Everyone has faults, but that doesn't mean you go blaming the world for those faults.

Anyhow, good luck. Just make sure to keep track of what is yours and what isn't so you get it all out in one swoop. Having to drop by an ex's with a box of stuff after the fact is weird.
 
Yeah. Stop hinting and just do it; it can only serve you well. Being direct tells her you're not shy or scared and gives you an idea of whether this can go somewhere or not.

Why wait till Saturday? Do it now. The answer on Saturday is almost certainly not going to be any different than it will be today.

Well I'm working all afternoon and night tomorrow so I don't want it looming over me all night while I'm there if I get the snub. It'll be on my mind all night and it's annoying. Saturday though, I can just ask in the day and be a bit more focused on chatting to her than a side thing at work.
 
I've gone through the motions with someone like that.
I've have it worse where the girl didn't really have a place for all her stuff, and there was a damn lot of it, so I was in a real bind as to how to get it out. Not the cleanest breakup, tears, yelling, etc. At the end of the day though, I'm not the kind of person to throw someone's stuff on the front lawn and just leave it there.

Got a storage container unit, prepaid it for a few months, handed her the key and that was it. Her problem was more of a matter of self confidence than anything else. I was probably naïve at the time, wasting time trying to get a person to see themselves as I saw them when they'd rather play a victim. Everyone has faults, but that doesn't mean you go blaming the world for those faults.

Anyhow, good luck. Just make sure to keep track of what is yours and what isn't so you get it all out in one swoop. Having to drop by an ex's with a box of stuff after the fact is weird.

Thanks for the advice, honestly 90% of the stuff in our apartment is hers, I pretty much just have clothes, a TV, and a PS4, haha

We were planning to go to California (where we are both from) for New Years, but now I'm thinking I should break it to her on Sunday before we leave, I hate lying to her
 
Thanks for the advice, honestly 90% of the stuff in our apartment is hers, I pretty much just have clothes, a TV, and a PS4, haha

We were planning to go to California (where we are both from) for New Years, but now I'm thinking I should break it to her on Sunday before we leave, I hate lying to her

I know how it goes man, you should have seen how bare my place was after that girl left.
I'm not one for keeping sentimental items and such, like things bare and neat... but anyhow, I would do it sooner than later. Getting dumped on a holiday sucks, but it's better than having an awkward time playing a part when you'd rather be elsewhere.
 
You guys don't know me and maybe it's for the best because I need to vent about something. I know this is dating GAF but since relationship GAF isn't nowhere to be seen, then fuck it here goes.

Broke up with my girlfriend a few weeks ago. She began acting strange over a few months, first cutting me off on sex, then we were basically friends and one day I had enough of it, asked her what was wrong and if we could talk. Got dumped because "I didn't understood her" and stopped talking for whole weeks, even when I wanted to reach her. I was sad, but I technically stopped having a girlfriend months ago, so it hit me kinda slowly.

I know I have been going on and on that I don't have friends, but there's this girl I have known since 2005 or so, we talk to each other through Whatsapp, Skype while I'm playing games and all, she's a late night sleeper so that works with my gaming sessions at late night on weekends. I tell her everything, she has my trust and was pretty sad to learn about my breakup.

So to keep things short, after two weeks after the split she invited me to go out for a coffee, talk and whatnot. Ended up having sex with her.

Things just happened. I was sex-free for quite a while and it just happened. And I felt good. We agreed that this was a "friends only" thing and everything is cool between us.

A day after this, I shit you not, my girlfriend calls me up and wants to talk. She tells me that her parents are splitting up (I feel happy for her mother, but that's another story) but kept hiding it until it blew and it damaged our relationship because she was feeling very depressed, but she loves me and was sorry for everything, for not telling me something in our five year relationship, and we got back together.

Had to tell my friend about this and she was happy about it and for me being happy and us together again. She was honest in telling me that she had fantasized about me and all, but she respected our relationship though she "had to take that chance with me" and didn't want me to feel bad about it.

So in short, I broke up with my girlfriend, stopped talking to her for weeks, ended up having sex with a friend, got back with my girlfriend I feel kinda bad about this. I know it sounds somewhat like Steve Carrell on Crazy Stupid Love, but egh.
 
We were planning to go to California (where we are both from) for New Years, but now I'm thinking I should break it to her on Sunday before we leave, I hate lying to her
I had this experience with my ex. I decided while we were at my parents' place one summer to end it. I waited (very painfully) until we were back home and she finished with this program she'd been planning to talk to her, and luckily, it was mutual.

@KieferCrimson: Why do you feel bad?
 
She could be going through something personally that she doesn't feel comfortable sharing, or she could be fading on the relationship. Tell her she has been quiet as of late and ask her what's up. If she's not interested in the long distance relationship anymore, better to know as early as possible.
Her best friend moved away and she was really, really bummed about it. She went into a reclusive state and didn't do or talk to anyone for a few days. I gave her some space but kept sending a sweet message here and there but eventually I did end up pressing her about us and she said she doesn't want to talk to anyone and "Maybe we should take a break from us.. it's not fair to you." I told her I'd just be alone until she was ready to talk again but I haven't heard back since. I've sent a message or two since as well and nada. I'm really bummed. =/
 
Technical cheating lol? I dunno. Sounds stupid but I thought the breakup was final and definite, even thought she had someone else. That's why I wanted to move on quick.

There was a faint thought that I should have waited a bit until doing something like that, but the sex deprivation, having someone to talk and that the fact that my friend is really cute didn't help at all.

My gf and I are definitely doing a lot better, I'm supporting her and her mother during the divorce and she was glad to see me after a while of not visiting their place; our relationship feels great again, but the thought of me being a cheater definitely lingers my mind. :/
 
You didn't do anything wrong Kiefer. You can't cheat while you're single. I wouldn't even tell your gf about it to be honest, she doesn't need to know what's going on when you're separated.
 
Her best friend moved away and she was really, really bummed about it. She went into a reclusive state and didn't do or talk to anyone for a few days. I gave her some space but kept sending a sweet message here and there but eventually I did end up pressing her about us and she said she doesn't want to talk to anyone and "Maybe we should take a break from us.. it's not fair to you." I told her I'd just be alone until she was ready to talk again but I haven't heard back since. I've sent a message or two since as well and nada. I'm really bummed. =/

Yeah, it sucks. I mean, honestly - and you've probably guessed this - this sounds like the whole "it's me, not you" thing. Most sensical thing is to expect that it's over and give her space and see what happens.
 
But whyyy? It took me almost 27 years to meet someone and now it's over like that? What the heck happened? She was super into me. I don't understand what's going on.
 
So I kind of upset this girl (long story) .. anyway I apologized and she is still communicating to me via text quite a lot but she won't answer my phone calls. Has this ever happened to anyone? This girl literally answers my texts within a few minutes but decides not to pickup the phone.

I asked her why.. and she said no comment lol .. anyway I guess I'll never understand women.. sigh
 
But whyyy? It took me almost 27 years to meet someone and now it's over like that? What the heck happened? She was super into me. I don't understand what's going on.
Its a waste of time to wonder why, man. Nobody can answer that for you. Give her space and see what happens. Also, telling her you'll "be alone" until she returns is one of the worst things you can do. Women want to see a man who has his head up and can stand on his own feet no matter what. It basically sounds like your whole life revolves around her.

Remember how people here were telling you to improve your attitude first before pursuing a relationship? I wouldn't be surprised if your previous disposition towards life affected your relationship somehow.I get that you're desperate because its taken you this long to meet someone, but you're thinking of it completely wrong.

What you MUST do is the following: give her space. Next, drop the "woe is me I'm alone" mindset. Lastly, this is what you SHOULD be thinking: "My name is grap3fruitman. I used to think I would never meet anyone. But I did. This is proof that I am able to socialize and meet women. I must make sure that I become more positive from this first relationship and make sure that I'm a better person for the next time I meet another girl."

Chin up, man. You've proven that you are capable of meeting women, as everyone here was telling you.
 
Technical cheating lol? I dunno. Sounds stupid but I thought the breakup was final and definite, even thought she had someone else. That's why I wanted to move on quick.

There was a faint thought that I should have waited a bit until doing something like that, but the sex deprivation, having someone to talk and that the fact that my friend is really cute didn't help at all.

My gf and I are definitely doing a lot better, I'm supporting her and her mother during the divorce and she was glad to see me after a while of not visiting their place; our relationship feels great again, but the thought of me being a cheater definitely lingers my mind. :/

She broke up with you for nonsensical reasons, she has no one to blame but herself. She took away a part of relationship that makes a relationship and when you found another avenue you traveled it. Don't feel bad about anything, you didn't do anything wrong.

I hope everything works out with you two but to dump someone over something like that reeks of bad judgement. Good luck.

I have a bit of a rant as well...

I posted in this thread a few times over the year with advice needed on an ex girlfriend and a new girl I was dating at the time. Well the new girl and I stopped dating around August/September because "we were moving too fast." I was pretty devastated at the time but after a few days I realized that she was so fickle it was probably for the best. She's a cool chick, just not really relationship material. I was blinded by the fact that I was with the same girl for almost six years and this was new and exciting.

Anyway, in mid November, I started dating this other lady, who happened to be said girls friend (since 3rd grade). I don't have an issue with it, but she is nervous about telling her. I told her to take her time and not do anything she's uncomfortable with. We're going to a mutual friends party for New Years, and that girl will also be there. This is going to add a strange dynamic to everything - as I said I really don't care she broke it off with me so no feels here. However new girl doesn't want to bring negative vibes; "I hope she doesn't feel like I betrayed her." Which to me is stupid, because like I said she wanted out of it, not me.

I guess to compound the issue - she told our mutual friend she still has feelings for me which I feel is total bullshit.

Here's the thing, if me and the new girl aren't going to be open with our "relationship" during the party who's to say that the old fling doesn't try and do things with me? I say this because I know how she gets when she drinks, real flirty and touchy. I know that will cause a rift in my new "relationship" but it shouldn't. I told the new girl she needs to be honest with her, plus I want my new years kiss, damnit.

Oh, and my ex (of six years) and I are getting coffee on Sunday... bad idea?
 
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