I salute you, noble warrior.
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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I salute you, noble warrior.
A character from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is going to be a newcomer.
Well they should be there with Nintendo characters. SSE's enemies were just Mario enemies and the original enemies. That was such a missed opportunity to have various enemies from various series.
Galleon was fine (not battling twice fine), but Tabuu and Duo whatever (that thing is the worst) are pretty bad. Porky was a pain in the ass out of all of the Nintendo bosses.
None.
They were both pretty much the same, and Metal Mario was such a cop out and that stage is way too small and the boundaries being so far away. One of my least favorite stages in the series, and I normally don't mind those neutral stages.
Old, but still cool nonetheless.
oh my
CodytheHero
Neo Member
Worth it alone for the music! I was missing the Smash 64 music when playing Brawl.
...ok
Lord_Byron28
Member
To chime in on the debate. Im fine with Master Hand and the wire frame characters those are fine. However minibosses and standard enemies would be nice if they pulled from other series. There is more than enough enemies to pull from Mario, Zelda, DK, Pokemon, Kid Icarus, Metroid, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Mother, Starfox, etc.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
There needs to be a special mode where you control the bosses.
Am I being baited
You are.
Master Head?
Female trainer with Gen. II starters would be super sick.
Probably be gen1 female trainer as seeing as the trainer from Brawl was from gen1.
But then people will start asking for those bosses to be made available in regular play.
I can see three characters from Brawl getting cut: Snake, Ike and Lucario.
Snake because he was a third-party guest character in Brawl. With the new MGS game not coming out on Wii U I'm not so sure if Nintendo wants to promote it. But then again I could be wrong, they did have Snake Eater, Guns of the Patriots and Portable Ops stuff in it, and Sakurai and Kojima are supposedly BFF's (although Sakurai seems to be BFF with a lot of Japanese devs).
Ike because Fire Emblem is one of them franchises that gets a new protagonists with every new game, so he might be too irrelevant these days compared to Chrom or whatever. Although it feels like Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is still a bit relevant because it was the first FE game released on a home console worldwide, so Ike might still be in because he's "the face of the new Fire Emblem" or something. Also, if it wasn't obvious already, I have never played a Fire Emblem game, so I probably don't even know what I'm going on about.
Lucario because there are over 700 Pokémon to choose from and one might wonder why the hell we're stuck with a Gen IV Pokémon when there are so many new we could play as instead. Pokémon is a tricky situation because we keep getting new characters all the time, but cuts sucks, and Lucario is still a really popular Pokémon (I don't really know why though, he's ugly). He might stay because he's popular and kiiiiiiind of relevant in X&Y, but if Sakurai/Game Freak wants to show off the newer Pokémon, he might go.
It'll probably be an alt costume like the Wii Fit Trainer.
I just went through all the old veteran reveals and found something interesting. Nearly every single one of them has shown at least 1 special move in their first pictures; this is true of Marth, Sonic, Toon Link, Peach, and Olimar. The only exception is Luigi, and we have seen his fireball since. Most of them have shown many different parts of their moveset.
But with Zelda we got nothing. Not a single familiar special move can be identified in those pictures. All we got is that trollish Phantom tease.
Whether the Phantom is part of the moveset or not, I'm becoming convinced that Zelda has been reworked.
It's already happening.
It would be the most evil/brilliant troll ever if Ridley was playable but only in a separate "boss" mode.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I thought he'd get cut for sure until B2W2 and XY
In the former he was often advertised (such as in the anime commercial) as a "returning veteran" Pokemon since BW had the whole new start thing going on.
His Mega Evolution was advertised greatly for XY, there was an illustration done by GameFreak of Mega Mewtwo and Mega Lucario battling it out, plus you're given Lucario in XY during the campaign.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Zelda is too pale.
Waiting for the plot twist where your Mii is the final boss because it represents you the player.
"There's your playable Ridley"
Rather than have the bosses be playable in the sense of fighting, Sakurai should make them be in a rhythm mini game instead.
"There's your playable Ridley"
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
He better keep his choke slam. It's too good.
Booooo, Mr. Krabs is a Patrick clone.
ShockingAlberto
Member
This is so wrong...yet so right.
Say what?
( hated the inclusion, like the power it gave me)
The comic they was pretty cool. However Marvel 1 and 2 had the characters exist in the same world, which I preferred. And even Marvel 3 forgets the fate of both worlds thing in a number of endings. A long with that the explanation they provided isn't what I am talking about. That kind of explanation doesn't really ruin anything and provides a convenient plot device. Where is smash is " you aren't playing as the characters, but magical toy versions" which took at the hype out of it. Because now I'm not playing a link I am playing as fake link and fake mario and fake samus. And that uninspired and thematically lame.
Also something comics book companies, like marvel had fixed decades ago.
" Its a different dimension"
Done , less lame.
Blam.
The reason that I don't hate the Hand Bros is because they fit with Nintendo Tropes imo.
Here's some examples.
I feel as though Master and Crazy Hand represents the Hand Enemies as a whole.
The reason that I don't hate the Hand Bros is because they fit with Nintendo Tropes imo.
Here's some examples.
I feel as though Master and Crazy Hand represents the Hand Enemies as a whole.
There are very few hand bosses I like actually.
But I suppose that is reasonable, but I find hands with out a person really lame.
Maybe if the hands were on a giant specter and you had to fight his face and body in Smash 4 i might change my tune, But for right now, kinda lame.
I've loved the hands ever since the intro of SSB64 where you see the hand taking the dolls out of the chest and bringing them to life, and you immediately get the concept that this is a kid in his room making all his crazy crossover dreams come true. In such a context, of course his hands are going to be the final boss. Hell, I did that shit as a kid with my toys and Sakurai knows it. That's why they are the best and will always be. It's simple, brilliant, and drips with Sakurai charm.
That's why I want Master Face
I want it to be a being of true cosmic level terror that strikes fear into children... that wears white gloves
It would probably just be a scanned in face of Sakurai mugging at the player or something.That's why I want Master Face
CriterionDog
Member
OMG. I need a download link or something. This is incredible. I need it now much like I need Wario's/Mr. Krab's explosive farts/krabby patties.
SenorArdilla
Member
That's why I want Master Face
Lord Foot would be a better choice.
And White socks. Master and Crazy foot.
Lord_Byron28
Member
I don't think they'll cut Lucario. It's still one of the most marketed and popular characters in the series. Given the role of any given Pokemon in the series especially older ones, Lucario's was pretty significant in X/Y.
theprodigy
Member
wait, what'd I miss
Waluigilicious
Member
There's a difference between cuts and replacements. From Melee: Mewtwo, Roy and Young Link were replaced. Mewtwo with Lucario, Roy with Ike and Young Link with Toon Link. Pichu & Dr. Mario were cut. 2 characters were cut, not 5. That's how I see it. It's not like we were going to have Toon Link AND Young Link.
My predictions are if anything we will only get two cuts. Snake, and maybe Wolf. I could see them bringing Star Fox down to two characters. I hope they keep Snake though.
As for replacements, Lucario could be replaced by Mewtwo, Ike by a different Fire Emblem character (could be female), and Wolf could also instead be replaced by a Star Fox character that would play even more differently to Fox.
Those are my safe predictions. As for bold ones... With Pikachu sticking around, and Pokemon Trainer probably sticking around due to the gen 1 starters being a big deal in x and y, Jigglypuff could be one too many gen 1 representative with so many pokemon to choose from. Infact, nostalgia aside, Lucario is more relevant in x and y and amongst pokemon players right now even after two generations. However, Jigglypuff is a Smash staple so it would be interesting to see what they do.
My predictions are if anything we will only get two cuts. Snake, and maybe Wolf. I could see them bringing Star Fox down to two characters. I hope they keep Snake though.
As for replacements, Lucario could be replaced by Mewtwo, Ike by a different Fire Emblem character (could be female), and Wolf could also instead be replaced by a Star Fox character that would play even more differently to Fox.
Those are my safe predictions. As for bold ones... With Pikachu sticking around, and Pokemon Trainer probably sticking around due to the gen 1 starters being a big deal in x and y, Jigglypuff could be one too many gen 1 representative with so many pokemon to choose from. Infact, nostalgia aside, Lucario is more relevant in x and y and amongst pokemon players right now even after two generations. However, Jigglypuff is a Smash staple so it would be interesting to see what they do.
balladofwindfishes
Member
How old and in how many Nintendo games does a character have to be before they're a "classic Nintendo boss"
I would consider Master Hand to be a classic Nintendo boss.
Yeah, what he said.
Following up on this, I think I've finally solved the mystery of the Phantom.
People have been using that second screenshot to argue that the Phantom can't be part of the moveset, but they've got it wrong. There's a reason the camera is tilted at that specific angle. It's her Side-B. She summons the Phantom which travels on a horizontal plane until it encounters an enemy, as seen in the first screenshot. The reason you don't see it in the second screenshot is because it has already traveled beyond Peach and Link; the camera is specifically tilted to hide this fact.
I'm now confident enough about this to avatar bet anyone who dares.