Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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SkullHydra
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It would be worth the weeklong ban to make that thread's title.
Iz joke. Pleez no ban me!
Because characters in this game tend to be representations of all their forms rather than that of one game.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I'd be ok with it
Akibastman
Member
As a fan of MM that would be awesome. Too much work to rep one game though I assume.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait, Dillon isn't small!
The bits on Rainbow Road weren't in-game engine. Everything else was
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but damn does Link look off model in SmashU
At least his hair looks nice.
I really hope they fix this, I won't ever play as him with that face as I'd be too busy laughing and I'd lose stock. On the other side, if anyone ever faces me with that Link they'll always win because of that.
Neoriceisgood
Member
You probably won't get to really see his face that much though, zoomed out side view + quick gameplay solves stuff like that.
Heck I almost don't notice how absolutely horrible a lot of Brawl models are during gameplay.
... almost.
In 1080p I'll see everything...Everything.
Including the color of your soul.
Which is purple btw.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Exactly. What we will notice is the official artwork, which, thankfully, looks great. At least in my opinion.
Neoriceisgood
Member
It's interesting that despite the new "dojo" being lenient with stage & veteran reveals we know absolutely nothing about the GUI & gameplay modes.
Boo.
Exactly. What we will notice is the official artwork, which, thankfully, looks great. At least in my opinion.
Needs more scarf.
ArchedThunder
Banned
This man, he knows what's up.
What models in Brawl were bad? I honestly thought the visuals were pretty much the only thing that game had going for it over Melee.
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Deleted member 74300
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Forget scarf Link. This character has all the scarf you'll ever need.
Neoriceisgood
Member
For me "Better than melee" doesn't qualify as actually looking good.
A lot of the dark muddy colours used on characters clashed ridiculously bad with the (vaguely) more colourful stages. Aside from that there's a bunch of graphic flaws that bug me to no end.
I'm not gonna list them all, but Wario's classic outfit simply having the fingerless gloves recoloured to white is disgusting.
Villager a WTF character? Lol smh.
Akibastman
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Villager and Mii are not "WTF" characters. Animal Crossing is a popular Nintendo franchise and the Mii's are Nintendo's avatar. They have a strong presence on Wii, Wii U & 3DS. I don't really see why they're "WTF".
ArchedThunder
Banned
I've never noticed this and now that you pointed it out it still doesn't bother me.
StreetsAhead
Member
Villager was WTF because Sakurai said himself the character was not suited for the game and wasn't high on many people's predicition lists. Mii because there's no other character like them on the roster right now. I think both are, or would be, great choices for inclusion.
All I meant was that I would love for a real surprise, like a R.O.B., because those two are from successful franchises and thus make more sense than say, Devil.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I'd be pissed off if it was still that way in SSB4, it looks lazy to me.
That sounds awesome to me...
ArchedThunder
Banned
The finger detailing is there on Mario's gloves too...
Letterbomb
Banned
What's wrong with Link's model? I think it looks great. It wouldn't make much sense at all to give him exact Twilight Princess textures, since the atmosphere and tone in Smash nearly completely contrasts the former. He looks great, fellas. Stop your nitpicking! ;o
Pit, on the other hand, needs some serious touching up.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Mario's is subtle and fine. Wario feels like big dark grooves that shouldn't be there.
Yes.
ArchedThunder
Banned
When was I talking about textures? I was talking about how his face is completely fucked up.
His face. Just something feels so off about it. He looks a bit better in the latests shots in the Zelda update but that may be just the angle. This head on one isn't great.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Link's face is literally the worst thing about SSB4 right now.
Letterbomb
Banned
I wonder how this bandwagon started, haha! His face looks fine to me. What about it is upsetting you guys? Is it the smooth features or is it something else?
* "Texture" isn't a term exclusive to items or general material; Link's face, indeed, also hosts a texture.
ArchedThunder
Banned
This is honestly how I feel, lol, and I think that if the worst thing about it is one characters face that is a good sign.
They seem to have fixed his nose, but his facial structure seems all over the place. It looks horrible in the first shot but fine in the second but in that shot his eyes look really dead, but at least he looks fine with his eyes closed!
His nose in the early shots looks bad and in that one shot in the Zelda update his face looks chubby.I wonder how this bandwagon started, haha! His face looks fine to me. What about it is upsetting you guys? Is it the smooth features or is it something else?
"Texture" isn't a term exclusive to items or general material; Link's face, indeed, also hosts a texture.
Also when talking about video game graphics texture means one thing, and while yes every part of his character model has a texture on it the textures are not the problem, the problem is one of polygon placement.
Well since it was one of the first shots we saw I'd say it started day one. I know I've always found that shot a bit weird.
He also looks fine with my eyes closed.
ArchedThunder
Banned
But if you close your eyes you won't see his fantabulous hair!
Letterbomb
Banned
I would argue that polygons are what compose textures in the first place (in whatever dimension), but I'll just let this drop for now--technicalities aren't worth the trouble.
So, his face is too chubby for you guys? I don't know. Can everyone here honestly say Link in the below comparison looks worse than Pit?
Maybe I'm missing a specific shot you guys are referencing to, because all of his screens in the Zelda gallery also look completely fine to me. If there was a problem before, I'd say they've already gotten to resolving it.
Neoriceisgood
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* "Texture" isn't a term exclusive to items or general material; Link's face, indeed, also hosts a texture.
One of the earliest shots had a straight up look at his face that looks honestly weird to me.
There's a few things going on, he's got a weird chubby feeling cause they messed with his cheekbones or something and he's also got these piss yellow eyebrows that are lighter than his skin half the time. It makes him look kinda gross.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Lolwut, Textures aren't composed of polygons, they are flat images that wrap around a polygonal surface.
Also look at this.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Forget scarf Link. This character has all the scarf you'll ever need.
Too bad at this point his son Matthew has higher probability of making the cut. Which isn't all that high either. I would take any Golden Sun character though.
1) If it's been said ten thousand times, it's not enough. Isaac deserves to be in. You've got my sword. Hope they put in mind reading for the LULZ/strategy (see what buttons the other player has been pressing? or just comic thoughts - "ouch!")
2) Has it been speculated/denied already that this time, Smash could have 5 players? Would be an interesting way to mix up the game, considering they don't seem to be making any other major overhauls.
3) Of course Smash is coming out in 2014. As Sakurai has said, they're using the same engine, and SSBWii/3D is just a continuation of Brawl, not a new game. On top of that, they've brought in a third party company to help. On top of that, Kid Icarus released in October 2012 in Japan - a full two years for a HD sequel ought to be enough.
2) Has it been speculated/denied already that this time, Smash could have 5 players? Would be an interesting way to mix up the game, considering they don't seem to be making any other major overhauls.
3) Of course Smash is coming out in 2014. As Sakurai has said, they're using the same engine, and SSBWii/3D is just a continuation of Brawl, not a new game. On top of that, they've brought in a third party company to help. On top of that, Kid Icarus released in October 2012 in Japan - a full two years for a HD sequel ought to be enough.
Letterbomb
Banned
Lolwut, Textures aren't composed of polygons, they are flat images that wrap around a polygonal surface.
Also look at this.
A polygon can be either two-dimensional or three-dimensional and, in respect, can be used to draw textures, shapes, and models alike. Textures wrap around shapes and models--yes--but polygons are what composes both. Common gamer discussion on polygon-count has no doubt added some distortion to the strict definition, but if you've dealt with even entry-level game design, you should understand how it operates.
And as for the picture, I really don't see the issue. You don't like his face because its...? I honestly would even prefer the Smash render.
I completely get what you mean, and maybe it's what you're talking about at the end... but I just want to nitpick at this for the sake of it. A polygon is always 2D, isn't it? They can exist in 3D space, and are used to make up the 3D models, but the triangle or quad itself will always be a flat, 2D shape. That's why we need so many.
Letterbomb
Banned
ArchedThunder
Banned
Polygons are not used to draw textures. Textures are maps that are applied to polygons and do not have anything to do with them other than being mapped to them. I think I understand what you are trying to say, but textures are not polygons, they pretty much piggyback off of polygons.
Anyways I don't see a point to continuing this discussion of Link's face with you since it will be me just repeating what I was saying on the last page.
Neoriceisgood
Member
1. His eyebrows in SSB4 seem to be lighter than his skin. this is gross.
2. His cheekbones are clearly less defined in that picture. I don't know if this is due to the texture or polygons but I'm sure this contributes to the "chubby face"-factor people mention.
If those two things got fixed, I'd have very few major issues with his face.
Letterbomb
Banned
You know what? You're in the right. I just read through my responses before and have no fucking idea what I was getting at. I'm going to chalk it up to it being the morning; ignore me.
Lol @ #1, that describes most of my family.
@ #2, are you sure it's not just the lack of exposing light on the cheekbones? In other pictures (like the ones I used for comparisons in past posts), his face seems rather lean and defined.