WWE Announcement |OT| Tonight's the night....
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Yup. You still get some garbage ass NXT shows for sure.
I'd equate NXT more to training wheels, it's there to mold talent for WWE. The emphasis is on getting their talent ready for the mainstream, not so much on putting on some crazy show. Trying out different and interesting gimmicks. Improving everyone's mic work. Etc. I think it's been serving it's purpose amazingly well thus far.
There's no question that the wrestling is far better in top indie promotions. It's motherfuckers just going all out. Putting on a wrestling spectacle. I never tire of going to those shows whenever possible.
bean breath
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Hell yeah, that's how I get all my printouts of wrestlers reimagined as South Park characters.
FallingEdge
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For me, I can do with minimal storytelling as far as feuds and whatnot. I care about the in ring action the most.
Oh... well yeah, I did over look that hahaha.
Liquidsnake
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Oh I did not know this. That means PG for life. Got it.
Actually, Raw will be on USA til September and then it'll go to the next highest bidder (unless that's USA of course).
It will remain PG because their advertising revenues went from 7 to 20 million since they went PG.
Speaking of ring action, did you see the 2013 top ten must fucked matches from Botchamania? At it's worst, at least WWE is good for a laugh while you watch terrible workers in the ring just fuck up in every way possible.
Anyone know totals for PPVs for the year? Money wise?
I million Network subscribers would equal 120 millions bones.
It's because, "stop working for the maaan!" style of it aside, his complaint is "current WWE is no good, you shouldn't buy this" when a huge part of the attraction is being able to watch all the old WWE/WWF you like on it.
Then he throws in an advertisement for the "real" (underground) promotions, including....ROH, which is currently a shadow of its former self? At least say NJPW, dude.
Personally I enjoy a well done match, but the story and production is what I really love. I got more enjoyment out of Y2J coming out a few years back in that jacket and refusing to even talk then I did from all but the best matches.
I think most fans these days are in the same boat. That attitude era isn't looked back on fondly because of matches for the most part, it was the stuff surrounding them.
Wrestling alone can't win. Heck that's why Vince "won."
$80m/year range.
WWE Network will also cannibalize their DVD/Bluray revenue(included in consumer products, but that also includes royalties from merch, video games, and whatnot) although that is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Their bread and butter is PPV revenue, TV rights fees, and ticket sales.
This is me too. I get more excitement from the recognizable intros and stories than from the sport itself. Granted, I do enjoy a great match, but the main draw for me is the drama.
BoboBrazil
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I wonder how this will affect wrestler ppv bonuses. Usually those are based off gate and ppv buys. This could potentially fuck over a large source of their income.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Hogan on bass, Macho Man, Jake the Snake and Brutus Beefcake on brass.
Rafa=FedKilla
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They don't make that much on that anymore. Not since they gave them tour buses and airfare to top stars in leu.
BoboBrazil
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Some Mania bonuses were as much as their annual pay for some of the lower end guys. This can't be good for them.
British Monsoon
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Everyone who likes the excitement of a big spectacle in their wrestling should check out New Japan - they're the only company in the world that can come close to matching WWE in terms of production;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXSZ2opq8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ify7BykBAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXndtKpzhU
Granted, the storyline side of it is fairly simplistic, this guy wants that guys belt, this guy beat up that guy so that guy wants revenge, etc, but as far as in-ring, physical storytelling goes? They can't be beat. So, yeah, if you want some of the grandiose, over the top nature of the Attitude Era, mixed with the sort of in-ring storytelling you'd find in WWF of yesteryear and the best action today's world of wrestling has to offer, give New Japan a go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXSZ2opq8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ify7BykBAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijXndtKpzhU
Granted, the storyline side of it is fairly simplistic, this guy wants that guys belt, this guy beat up that guy so that guy wants revenge, etc, but as far as in-ring, physical storytelling goes? They can't be beat. So, yeah, if you want some of the grandiose, over the top nature of the Attitude Era, mixed with the sort of in-ring storytelling you'd find in WWF of yesteryear and the best action today's world of wrestling has to offer, give New Japan a go.
Rafa=FedKilla
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That and word going around backstage lf Vince using all these old stars to fill up the card.
One thing about Vince is he never screws over his talent in that respect, I'm sure everyone will be properly compensated to the amount they're used to.
For new talent is another question, but existing talent will surely be compensated if the pay-off is significantly lower in the new situation.
Or if 10 million people subscribe: WrestleMania bonuses every month!
Seriously though I think the talent would prefer a stable bigger paycheque which this will provide if successful. You know assuming talent still gets a similar cut of this revenue stream.
BronsonLee
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USA! USA!
Bonus points for naming fucking ROH in 2014 as the true up and comer it is.
Goddamnit indy wrestling fans
Nakamura's entrance made him basically look like the biggest star in the world. Amazing stuff.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Mediocre for 7 years and roh go together well
Spider from Mars
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Can't wait to her constant updates about how successful WWE Network is from King and Cole. If they don't say anything, we know it failed.
$80m/year range.
WWE Network will also cannibalize their DVD/Bluray revenue(included in consumer products, but that also includes royalties from merch, video games, and whatnot) although that is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Their bread and butter is PPV revenue, TV rights fees, and ticket sales.
good info. Thanks man!
BoboBrazil
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Lol Netflix only has 40 million subscribers with a lower monthly price and abfar greater reach into the mainstream. They will be incredibly lucky if they can get 1 million subscribers.
plagiarize
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I'm right in thinking I can watch RAW and Smackdown a day or so after TV broadcast right? If so, I'm definitely subscribing to this. I haven't spent a penny on wrestling in a good while, but this will definitely get me back on board.
I hope for their sake there are many times more people like me who are going to jump on, than there are people who were already buying all the PPVs.
I hope for their sake there are many times more people like me who are going to jump on, than there are people who were already buying all the PPVs.
Rockandrollclown
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Outside of wrestling games, I haven't spent a dime on wrestling since Wrestlemania X8. I am all over this for ECW PPVs alone.
BronsonLee
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Whoosh
You make it sound like wrestling is a niche product.
also, lol @ "only 40 million". Do you work for Square Enix or something? 40 million isn't just something you shrug off.
BoboBrazil
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Wrestling IS a niche product. 40 million is no small number, but I used it in the context of comparing how ridiculous it is to think WWE would get 25% of the subscribers of something like Netflix, when that service has much greater appeal in the marketplace.
Well yes WWE has a smaller addressable market(Wrestling fans vs well everyone) but they will easily convert a higher percentage of them.
WWE network will be available in more markets then Netflix pretty quickly as well.
Also my 10 million number was a joke(well short term. Long term who knows). They can get over a million easy.
Mr. Luchador
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Wow.
Makes you wonder why they are catering to such a small percentage of the audience. 12 and under is probably what 1/2 the 18 and under percentage?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Around 1 million people buy Wrestlemania every year for $60. They will get at least that much.
BoboBrazil
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Those numbers are seriously skewed. They are using numbers for every show combined to get to a 15 million number and assuming there is no overlap of viewers. They also seems to be counting the divas show on E! Even adding all of their TV shows together it still doesn't add up to 15 million so they must be counting YouTube views of replay shows as well or some web based metric.
And plenty of people don't buy Wrestlemania because it's $70, or they pool together funds with their friends and buy one between them for a WM viewing party (or one in a sports bar). $10 is an attractive price, plenty of people would feel happy paying that instead of pirating it or something.
Mr. Luchador
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Ironically I can imagine there are plenty of pirates and tape traders getting excited about this. Freshly digitally cleaned content to rip.
Well to be fair the 1 million number is worldwide and the domestic number is usually around 600k. WWE charges less for PPV's in other countries.
They might not get 1 million first year since it will be just US only, but worldwide they can get well above.
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