Telephoto999
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Do you know if your record has been restricted? Georgia is one of only 3 states that doesn't auto expunge, or offer record expungement from my understanding.
FYI, A misdemeanor in the state of Georgia is a life sentence. My story.
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Do you know if your record has been restricted? Georgia is one of only 3 states that doesn't auto expunge, or offer record expungement from my understanding.
From NOLO an interesting read:
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/getting-hired-with-arrest-conviction-record.html
Personally I would get a copy of the conviction documents if possible. Take it with you and bring this episode up in the interview. Give any background facts, tell them how you have dealt with it, and what you have learned from the anger management classes.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/getting-hired-with-arrest-conviction-record.html
Personally I would get a copy of the conviction documents if possible. Take it with you and bring this episode up in the interview. Give any background facts, tell them how you have dealt with it, and what you have learned from the anger management classes.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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I got out of bed just to write this because I don't want you to waste another moment of your life deluding yourself: you need to leave the United States.
The shadow of this minor offense will haunt you forever in this country. Getting a crime expunged only clears it from official state records (In Georgia, the GCIC) but there are thousands of private background-check services with their own databases that won't get updated and there is no way to tell what service a potential employer is using. This country has such a perverted and corrupt sense of justice that permanently stains people once they've made a mistake. It's truly a one-and-done situation.
Move to a civilized country and get started on making a good life for yourself. Your technical acumen will carry you a long way.
The shadow of this minor offense will haunt you forever in this country. Getting a crime expunged only clears it from official state records (In Georgia, the GCIC) but there are thousands of private background-check services with their own databases that won't get updated and there is no way to tell what service a potential employer is using. This country has such a perverted and corrupt sense of justice that permanently stains people once they've made a mistake. It's truly a one-and-done situation.
Move to a civilized country and get started on making a good life for yourself. Your technical acumen will carry you a long way.
Telephoto999
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I'm sure its the type of conviction. As I stated before, that HR lady told me that if it had been something more common like "a dui" then it wouldn't have been a problem.
Telephoto999
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This sounds so great in theory. How does one with debt just pick up and leave though? It would take a ton of money to move and start over, let alone go through the process of job seeking once I got somewhere. I can't just pick up... move somewhere and hope for the best. I mean it's possible... it just doesn't seem logical though? Also, where would you recommend?
Guileless
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I have a friend with an aggravated assault conviction from college who works for a large corporation now - not in Ga. though. He never has mentioned any issues. OP, you need to call a good criminal lawyer in Georgia and get actual legal advice on what to do. There is an expungement statute where we live.
Casinos and state jobs are going to be heavy on background checks. You need to find a smaller company that isn't going to do a comprehensive search.
I have a friend in New Orleans who is a professional poker player too. He plays at the Beau a good bit and makes a nice living.
Casinos and state jobs are going to be heavy on background checks. You need to find a smaller company that isn't going to do a comprehensive search.
I have a friend in New Orleans who is a professional poker player too. He plays at the Beau a good bit and makes a nice living.
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I honestly have no clue. This was all a decade ago when I was about to come out of college. We knew we couldn't get around the fbi check so we attacked it head on. I never gave it much thought after everything worked out and at this point I don't think I'll ever have to deal with it again. So, probably? The state you reside in is clearly the big issue here, but if you've dragged it out for so many years I don't know how you'll escape.
OP, ever think of moving the fuck out of Georgia? All these years and you still can't get the career you want; you aren't getting any younger, time to make some drastic changes.
No one is allowed to make a mistake anymore, it's bullshit, but it seems like your options are nil at this point.
No one is allowed to make a mistake anymore, it's bullshit, but it seems like your options are nil at this point.
Guileless
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You can bankrupt unsecured debt easily. I think the vast majority of people in your situation would. Talk to a bankruptcy attorney.
I have no idea about visas and whatnot but the European guy who posted earlier says its easy in his country so ask him where he lives. Plenty of immigrants show up with little or nothing to their names.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Getting out of a state to escape a national problem isn't going to help him. Privatized background-check companies are national and expunged records can and do show up in them.
I can't tell you how to do it because I've never had to, but I've seen this same story play out numerous times. There are people on GAF who would know how to get it done. A one-way trip to Britan is ~$1K.
well, I can't guarantee 100k, but I can tell you that my brother is making close to 80k a year working as a salaried carpenter in Switzerland- and he's a German high school drop-out who hasn't even officially learned any trade.
I'd recommend trying to apply to positions in Europe or even worldwide: IT specialists who are willing to relocate and commit to a job long-term should be in overwhelmingly high demand... that or I chose the wrong major
as for how to do it, maybe the following might work (though much of this is speculation, so take it with a grain of salt):
send out applications en masse and try to get a couple of places to grant you an interview. idk if that is a common thing, but I've also heard of Skype-based job-interviews. if you actually find a good job offer overseas, I guess you could bring proof of that to your bank and ask for a further loan to help you get over the ocean: after all they're also much more likely to get their money back if you find a job.
as for visas I can really only speak from hearsay- but I figure that if qualified people from 3rd world countries can manage to get in, so should you. also if you already had a job offer, that would probably speed things up considerably
also, couldn't you pretty much work for any place anywhere using a remote desktop? or at least you should be able to use that to demonstrate your skills to prospective employers.
Ace Harding
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The bigger problem is corporate fear of liability. The fear in this case is that they hire you and you flip out and hurt someone at work, then that person finds out the company knowingly hired someone with a violent criminal record. Lawsuit. PR disaster.
I don't necessarily blame the companies. Honestly they would probably prefer to not be able to find out about misdemeanor battery crimes - their potential liability goes away. But if they have the ability to find out and there's a risk then they need to avoid that risk. So yeah, having better expungement options for stuff like this would be better for everybody.
I don't necessarily blame the companies. Honestly they would probably prefer to not be able to find out about misdemeanor battery crimes - their potential liability goes away. But if they have the ability to find out and there's a risk then they need to avoid that risk. So yeah, having better expungement options for stuff like this would be better for everybody.
FreeMufasa
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Damn......if u don't mind answering, what's ur race?
May not be as likely though.
Ace Harding
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Even if the misdemeanor was technically violent?
Telephoto999
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Telephoto999
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This was my last banter with a recruiter for that position at the Georgia state capital.
He has not responded since my last email over a week ago. I called and left two voicemails.
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Rajini
Jan 3
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I appreciate for your response but the position is going to close today. So I talk to you today 3pm mean while time can you sent me right to respresent and background check form.
Thanks,
Rajini
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From: Me
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:15 AM
To: Rajini
Subject: RE: Application Support Specialist | Job ID | Atlanta , Georgia
Me
Jan 3
to Rajini
You can. I do have a misdemeanor on my record from 2007. I understand if this disqualifies me from the position. I filed to have it removed from my record but it might still show on a background check.
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Maybe my email to him was too forthcoming with information?
Telephoto999
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I've read that lying to a company and them finding out later is not only terms for immediate firing, but that they can in some cases sue you for the wages they've paid you because your employment was under false pretense.
I'd tried smaller companies, I even got hired on temporarily for one that didn't work out for other reasons. I'd prefer a larger company because of the benefits and typically higher salary that comes along with the security of a bigger company. But hey... beggers can't be choosers right?
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Lol, mufasa won't be posting here anymore.
WanderingWind
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Might want to remove the guy's personal info. Lot of less than scrupulous people out there.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Cosigned. Not a great idea to leave that up, especially when it's part of private correspondence.
Telephoto999
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Yea my bad, thought I cleared that out.
freenudemacusers
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Thacker I feel for you but you gotta be a little smarter about this 'other people's personal information on the internet' thing breh.
Telephoto999
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Honest mistake. I edited it in wordpad before copying and pasting.
The other issue was pretty lolsy. Ironically, I served my sentence on GAF thanks to a 30 day ban and that's behind me. If only our justice system was more like GAF
Telephoto999
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I don't understand the reference.
It's the fact that it's battery and you were convicted. Other misdemeanors usually get ignored, but stuff like battery, assault, and domestics are immediate red flags for recruiters. I know that at my job a lone if you were ever arrested, not convicted, for the above more than once you will not be recruited. If you were infact convicted, you will obviously not be recruited either.
In most states, not Georgia alone, it's close to impossible to get a job with a misdemeanor in such and impossible with any felony. This is what leads to the circle of violence in major cities. Once the Police arrest someone and they are found guilty in court, their life is forever ruined unless the record is expunged.
Saying that, man, good luck. I hope you do get the job you have always wanted.
In most states, not Georgia alone, it's close to impossible to get a job with a misdemeanor in such and impossible with any felony. This is what leads to the circle of violence in major cities. Once the Police arrest someone and they are found guilty in court, their life is forever ruined unless the record is expunged.
Saying that, man, good luck. I hope you do get the job you have always wanted.
WanderingWind
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Thacker, I wish I knew how to help with this. I can't think of anything that would benefit you and not the cause.
Honestly? I'd probably just omit it on an app and then work to get it expunged after you got hired. Food in your belly > some zero tolerance policy probably enacted in 1972.
This shit reminds me of trying to get an apartment with a flawless rental history but poor credit. 10 years of paying rent the day it's due is nothing compared to having student loans you missed payments on 6 years previously. The world does not give a fuck and sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.
Honestly? I'd probably just omit it on an app and then work to get it expunged after you got hired. Food in your belly > some zero tolerance policy probably enacted in 1972.
This shit reminds me of trying to get an apartment with a flawless rental history but poor credit. 10 years of paying rent the day it's due is nothing compared to having student loans you missed payments on 6 years previously. The world does not give a fuck and sometimes, you have to do what you have to do.
freenudemacusers
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well to add a semi-useful anecdote, my father in law had a felony record in washington from the early 1990s (aggravated assault with a gun), spend a couple years in jail, and was still able to become a firefighter in the mid 2000s. This seems a little ... excessive by comparison. I believe he was able to get it expunged (or something similar) so it wouldn't ding on a background check, but IIRC it was only an option after 8 years.
ElectricThunder
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Our state of GA is beyond fucked up in general when it comes to "perception problems" even beyond a criminal conviction apparatus---which is clearly utterly broken as per your situation.
In my case, I can give a Hot Tip that, if you somehow find yourself Expelled with honors from a state university despite not even having so much as a speeding ticket to your name---expect a great many doors to close as the state educational entities and their little enabler chums in the justice/court sector to close ranks in a perfectly synchronized display to maintain all airs that the boat has not rocked. That black mark is pretty well indelible via presumed guilt by association---but of course they have ways to dance around that.
You'll find yourself on a radically different and not necessarily at all optimistic path, wiser and more hateful for the experience that nobody needs to see firsthand at how corrupt and short-sighted this state is---generally stigmatized and greatly messed up the past many years for me.
In my case, I can give a Hot Tip that, if you somehow find yourself Expelled with honors from a state university despite not even having so much as a speeding ticket to your name---expect a great many doors to close as the state educational entities and their little enabler chums in the justice/court sector to close ranks in a perfectly synchronized display to maintain all airs that the boat has not rocked. That black mark is pretty well indelible via presumed guilt by association---but of course they have ways to dance around that.
You'll find yourself on a radically different and not necessarily at all optimistic path, wiser and more hateful for the experience that nobody needs to see firsthand at how corrupt and short-sighted this state is---generally stigmatized and greatly messed up the past many years for me.
In reference to the above emails, my belief is that you should have told him about it in the interview. My initial reaction is "why did he wait until the job post was closing to tell about the incident in an email?".
From the email, the position was already filled by another candidate. Also you are too forthcoming and it has been less than 7 years.
Also, to the poster that refers to us as hr drones, we have a job to do. Not sure why the hate
Do you have any job offers for the OP?
WanderingWind
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If OP is smart, he'll jump on this. A job just literally fell into his lap in an area of the country with great cost of living.
Do it OP.
Hook him up, he sounds like he's paid his dues and he's in a rough spot. Sounds like he needs an honest chance from an honest guy like yourself.
7DollarHagane
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There's a lot of things about the job market that are a lot more unfair and depressing than this.
The employers are in their right to be cautious about hiring someone who could, in their eyes be a potential danger or liability to their staff and clients.
Unfortunately they are being stubborn and short sighted about it but that's what a lot of the corporate world is today. As good as you are they probably have dozens of other applicants that are as qualified or more without that criminal record. Sorry,
The employers are in their right to be cautious about hiring someone who could, in their eyes be a potential danger or liability to their staff and clients.
Unfortunately they are being stubborn and short sighted about it but that's what a lot of the corporate world is today. As good as you are they probably have dozens of other applicants that are as qualified or more without that criminal record. Sorry,
freenudemacusers
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Well it seems to be a georgia issue, since washington lets you expunge various misdemeanors and felonies after a given time period. And it's a shitty part of the corprorate world, since as someone mentioned it basically creates a permanent underclass who can only work at dead-end jobs that don't give a shit. 7 years is a very long time.
Southernfried Pimpin
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Dammit man I feel what you are going through.
I got a felony drug charge on some wrong place wrong time thing in '02 & it's ruined my life.
It's hard to get even crappy jobs now that they can pick & choose whoever they want.
One incident scars you for life.
The only reason I'm not selling drugs now is I can't do anymore jail.
I'd probably have a way more comfortable life right now if I did though.
I got a felony drug charge on some wrong place wrong time thing in '02 & it's ruined my life.
It's hard to get even crappy jobs now that they can pick & choose whoever they want.
One incident scars you for life.
The only reason I'm not selling drugs now is I can't do anymore jail.
I'd probably have a way more comfortable life right now if I did though.
freenudemacusers
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have you tried getting it expunged? that's a long ass time ago.
Telephoto999
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PM please
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And he lived happily ever after.
The end.
The end.
Telephoto999
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It's part of a problem, that is much much larger yes... but it's still a huge part and it effects millions of "criminals" like myself.
I was thinking the same thing. They see you as a potential liability. Knowingly hire you, you get mad and punch through a wall. Or hurt someone. All a huge risk on their part, and this kind of economy there's so many people looking for a job.
I hope you do get it expunged though. My brother was lucky he wasn't 18. They put a felony on his record for lighting a piece of paper on fire in a school. Some stupid thing a kid does and he admitted his mistake. Expelled him, denied him coming back despite teachers backing him up, and upped his charge to a felony. Talk about people being dumb for something so seemingly small. They act like someone was murdered in some of these cases.
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