UKIP councillor: Gay marrage to blame for UK floods

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Sir Fragula said:
If you don't think there's a racial element to the overwhelming majority of UKIP's membership's policy positions then I think you're being a tad naïve.
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Looking at the UKIP immigration policies, I don't see anything racist about it and I'm an ethnic minority.

In fact, their policies on the website made no indication to race. Individuals members are racist, yes, but it's not anything like the BNP where their policies discriminate against race whilst UKIP wish to impose restrictions on immigrants in regard to healthcare, free education, etc. until they hold down a job for five years.

Authotharian? Maybe. Racist? No. That card gets thrown around way too easy.
 
Spaghetti said:
one of these things is not like the other
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How so? I'm making the comparison that these parties get called out on it for something they were known for despite it being irellevent.

Labour removed clause 4.
Conservative are being called Tories. But the term 'Tories' hasn't been relevant since Thatcher.
UKIP don't have racist policies, unless we have extended the definition to being critical against immigration in its current form.
 
Sir British said:
No, they are not. Stop being so hyperbolic. UKIP wants to end mass immigration whilst the BNP wants to pay anyone of foreign descent to leave.
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Whilst I think it is often too simplistic to describe UKIP as racist, they are. Their website actually says that they would remove the Race Relations Act, and would allow employers to discriminate on the basis of race.

Though, having established that they are obviously racist. I do think that when people dismiss UKIP quickly as nonsense because they are racist might be missing some more points. Of course, their racism is a good enough reason to not support them, but supporters can brush those statements aside.

Much less talked about is how they claim to fight for 'British Workers' - yet, similar to repealing discrimination legislation, they will also remove just about every other piece of legislation which workers have fought for over the last century. Maternity, redundancy, sick pay, minimum wage etc... you name it, they want to get rid of it.

So, yes, they are racist, and that is more than a good enough reason to say they are horrible scum. But, many UKIP sympathisers will brush that off, without knowing that the UKIP not only hates other races, but also anybody who isn't rich.
 
Gawge said:
Whilst I think it is often too simplistic to describe UKIP as racist, they are. Their website actually says that they would remove the Race Relations Act, and would allow employers to discriminate on the basis of race.
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Can you point that out to me? I'm struggling to find it on their website and it doesn't seem to state it in the immigration section or any other section. Unless I'm blind.

Though, having established that they are obviously racist. I do think that when people dismiss UKIP quickly as nonsense because they are racist might be missing some more points. Of course, their racism is a good enough reason to not support them, but supporters can brush those statements aside.
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I think racism, in the grand scheme of things, is not a big enough issue that doesn't detract the party as badly as it does. Mismanagement and impossible policies with no compromise are the issue and that's why I still hold the belief the BNP failed not because of its racism (which is an important factor), but because it has horrible management issues, members leaving to form fringe parties like the British Democracy Party and Nick Griffin refusing to pass the party down to a new leader whilst getting himself bankrupt.

I'm just holding that racism, even though I suffered racism myself from both sides of the culture (English and Pakistani), isn't that much of a concern to detract someone.

Much less talked about is how they claim to fight for 'British Workers' - yet, similar to repealing discrimination legislation, they will also remove just about every other piece of legislation which workers have fought for over the last century. Maternity, redundancy, sick pay, minimum wage etc... you name it, they want to get rid of it.
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Hence part of the reason I don't want to support UKIP. I want the current status quo to be distrupted, as I believe Labour and Conservative both hold power for so long and a new party would freshen up the political playing field, but I rather not take my chance with UKIP.

I think UKIP have many problems, but the racist card is overused and probably devaluing it.
 
a moron said:
"Since the passage of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, the nation has been beset by serious storms and floods. One recent one caused the worst flooding for 60 years. The Christmas floods were the worst for 127 years. Is this just global warming or is there something more serious at work?"
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I didn't know there was state acknowledged Gay marriage in the UK 60 and 127 years ago. Learn something everyday.
 
Gawge said:
http://www.ukip.org/index.php/issues/policy-pages/54-small-business

Mainly Section 8. Though it is all quite horrible.
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When I assumed they were removing the Race Relation act, I thought it was 1965. But it seems that they are removing a legislation that imposes a company that need to hire based on ethnicity to diversify the workforce.

They are removing that strand of race relations, but that is the extent they are going it seems.

Spaghetti said:
racism is not akin to being on a side of the political spectrum
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that parties being accused of holding 'x view' back in the days is irrelevant.
 
Funky Papa said:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage was a full on fascist who used to roam at night shouting Hitler-youth songs with his buds.

That may have happened during his time at Dulwich College, but if you think that UKIP's little Englander policies are only coincidentally in line with those spoused by the UK's traditional fascist movements you are only fooling yourself.
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Why is it that we never have a party that criticise current levels of immigration lead by a party leader with no history of racism, fascism or nazism?

You thought a party like that exist now?
 
Funky Papa said:
UKIP leader Nigel Farage was a full on fascist who used to roam at night shouting Hitler-youth songs with his buds.

That may have happened during his time at Dulwich College, but if you think that UKIP's little Englander policies are only coincidentally in line with those spoused by the UK's traditional fascist movements you are only fooling yourself.
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We have plenty of politicians who did stupid things in their youth. Barroso was a fucking Maoist. So I'm guessing his policies are tainted by that which is even more the reason to oppose the EU and that clown.
 
Sir British said:
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that parties being accused of holding 'x view' back in the days is irrelevant.
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to feed your own words back to you

"But they aren't 'racists' in the same way as Labour aren't socialist or Conservative aren't thatcherites."

it looks like you're downplaying the racist image ukip has in comparison the red and blue sides downplaying their political leanings, as if they were at all connected and the mounting evidence that ukip is racist were insignificant

take the blinders off. don't be a ukip apologist.
 
TCRS said:
We have plenty of politicians who did stupid things in their youth. Barroso was a fucking Maoist. So I'm guessing his policies are tainted by that which is even more the reason to oppose the EU and that clown.
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Both politicians did stupid shit during their youth, but only one of them is still intellectually aligned with his allegedly former beliefs. I feel like quoting myself:

Funky Papa said:
UKIP, a party that is being continously linked to far right movements, whose officers have been denounced for blatant, daylight acts of bigotry and racism, which can't help but light fires under its arse whenever they are asked to talk about immigration in clear terms, is lead by someone who used to sing (LITERALLY) to the tune of the Hitler Youth during his teens.

But somehow, he deserves (they deserve) some credibility. Because of freedom.

Excuse me while I fart in your general direction.
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Spaghetti said:
to feed your own words back to you

"But they aren't 'racists' in the same way as Labour aren't socialist or Conservative aren't thatcherites."

it looks like you're downplaying the racist image ukip has in comparison the red and blue sides downplaying their political leanings, as if they were at all connected and the mounting evidence that ukip is racist were insignificant
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What racist image? If they did have one, it was a while ago and they have been on the mend to repair that and try to appeal to minorities such as the Muslim community.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24175687

I don't see the UKIP as racist much, but I don't value racism issue as much as anyone else, yet it should be far more valuable to me.

I'm saying whatever views they hold back in the days is irrelevant. If they were racist back then, they aren't now from my perspective.

take the blinders off. don't be a ukip apologist.
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I'm not being a UKIP apologist. I just think racism is the weakest argument to me.
 
Spaghetti said:
the irony that the entire top half of your post was you being a ukip apologist is probably lost on you
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No, I just don't place racism issue as highly as you and thus have no problem with UKIP on that side. I have my other problems with UKIP.

But if you want to think that, then go ahead. Anything more is just wasting my breath on you, dear.
 
The tendency of UKIP politicians to reveal the very ugly underbelly of their party is equal parts amusing and utterly horrifying.
 
Spaghetti said:
so you admit ukip is racist

great, glad we agree
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Pretty much. I can see why others are calling them 'racist' and I can understand the grievances towards other members, I just personally believe there are bigger issues with UKIP than racism and there have been attempts to build relations to minority communities.

I just don't rank it highly. I believe as a minority, I already enjoyed the same rights as everyone else and thus, racism isn't high in my beliefs.

CHEEZMO™;97595387 said:
The implication here is that UKIP are racist and you know they are but you just don't really care.

edit: scooped
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Pretty much, yeah. I don't find it an issue as great as others.
 
TCRS said:
We have plenty of politicians who did stupid things in their youth. Barroso was a fucking Maoist. So I'm guessing his policies are tainted by that which is even more the reason to oppose the EU and that clown.
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Lot's of people do stupid shit when they're in college. Hell I flirted with Communist politics during my teen years, something I am today immensely embarrassed of. Barraso WAS a Maoist, but today is your typical centre right establishment politician who is about as radical as a cheese and cucumber sandwich. Farage was and still is a fascist.
 
Sir British said:
What racist image? If they did have one, it was a while ago and they have been on the mend to repair that and try to appeal to minorities such as the Muslim community.
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Was Farage's statement that we should give asylum to christian Syrians but not muslim Syrians part of that charm offensive? How about the party's obsession with sharia law?
 
I think we need Vince McMahon to beat God again to stop the flooding. It's the only logical course of action to defeat the almighty power of the Gospel.
 
It blows my mind that someone can live to his age, apparently successfully, and believe that the sexual preferences of a single species of primate can affect the weather systems of this planet.

He must be trolling.
 
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