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Terrorist attack at synagogue Manchester uk

I've said before that we live under semi marxist criminology. Thought 'crimes' are seemingly treated way more harshly and out of all sense of kilter than violence, murders and rapes. The result is shit like this or Iryna. Seemingly every generation has to deal with these red weirdo's that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.



I won't allow myself to be gaslit anymore by these sophists with ulterior motives. I deeply miss the country I grew up in.
The worst part is that the immigrants still have a home country to go to. Many of us have nowhere to go. The food I ate when I was younger is not made anymore, traditions lost forever, language lost forever. It makes me mad and sad at the same time.
 
Police gunfire killing one of the victims is a headline-worthy development in the story I would say?

The attacker is ultimately responsible for the course of events which followed, but if half of the fatalities and injuries were a consequence of the police response, there will be lessons to learn there for sure. Arguably those lessons should have been learned already from the London Bridge attack where bullets ended up going through a bus (luckily not hitting anyone that time). 'Consider what is beyond your target' is so basic a rule (for anyone using a gun, not just pros) that it should be instinctive to people training for this day in and day out. That it was not here or at London Bridge is something which can be worked on in future.

I don't think the police will be (or should be) thrilled with how the response played out here. If we are taking the Grenfell approach again of 'not our fault this event happened, therefore it doesn't matter how we responded to it', that would be a mistake. It is not about assigning blame, but about doing better next time.

One of the firearms officers had a nearing waist length pigtail.

Add that too getting so close to a suspected suicide bomber and inability to get bystanders far away.

I think that tells us all we need to know about the competency of that unit.
 
Why are you telling me this? have you actually looked at it using per capita? Uk doesn't even chart it's so low on murders per capita:



Oh sure, sure, carry on living however you think is best. Your country is far from good though when you use your own metrics, its worse than a lot of "third world" places and free speech my ass. You don't have it.
Where are you from again?
 
Our country has committed suicide in recent years and it makes me so angry that there are still a huge amount of people here who won't accept what is happening, so blinded are they by their left wing ideology.

Religion of peace my arse.
 
This changed after they used it on someone totally innocent one time (which was obviously not a factor in play here),
So anyway, still think they should've been more trigger happy now it's revealed one of the bullets hit a victim?
 
I've already said where if you bothered to read. The UK.
Holy shit man, calm down. We absolutely have free speech. Just because people over by you are getting arrested for saying shit that people get offended by, does not mean it happens here. If I lived where you did, my Instagram account would have me in prison for life. :messenger_beaming:

As far as your 3rd world country comment, we only have two cities at the moment that are that, Dearborn and St. Paul/Minneapolis. I guess three if you count Portland, but that city has been filled with retarded retards for quite some time. The other two are filled with the things that this thread is about.
 
I've said before that we live under semi marxist criminology. Thought 'crimes' are seemingly treated way more harshly and out of all sense of kilter than violence, murders and rapes. The result is shit like this or Iryna. Seemingly every generation has to deal with these red weirdo's that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.



I won't allow myself to be gaslit anymore by these sophists with ulterior motives. I deeply miss the country I grew up in.

Remember, leftists believe words are violence. They do so to inflict real violence and evade the consequences.
 
I won't allow myself to be gaslit anymore by these sophists with ulterior motives. I deeply miss the country I grew up in.

Well said my friend, I miss the UK of the 80s and 90s very much.

I've had to ignore the resident gaslighter spewing absolute total fucking bullshit as no the UK is absolutely not just as safe or the same as it was 20 years ago what a load of fucking drivel... Off the top of my head London Birmingham Bolton Bradford Preston Blackburn Runcorn Warrington St Helens are all dumps now and I remember them being reasonable or really nice when I grew up, My eyes don't deceive me and my memory is in tact.
 
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I miss the UK of the 80s and 90s very much.
I'll say one thing, as shit as my family had it in the 80's, my poor old man struggling through it all and us not having a pot to piss in, I wouldn't change it for the world, and I know he wouldn't have either.

It certainly got better in the 90's.

Man, London and even this off cast town of London was quite different in the 90's, in a good way. Spent every week there

Yeah it could be rotten, but in a weird way, we always knew what and where it was..

Unlike whatever the fuck we have now.
 
Police gunfire killing one of the victims is a headline-worthy development in the story I would say?

The attacker is ultimately responsible for the course of events which followed, but if half of the fatalities and injuries were a consequence of the police response, there will be lessons to learn there for sure.
Future headline: "50 dead in Islamist attack - UK police say they are happy that the terrorist only managed to kill one victim"
 
Western Europe is cooked, not just UK...



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Sobieski is turning in his grave
second time, first time was when "grateful" Austrians partitioned Poland in 1772.
 
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Holy shit man, calm down. We absolutely have free speech. Just because people over by you are getting arrested for saying shit that people get offended by, does not mean it happens here. If I lived where you did, my Instagram account would have me in prison for life. :messenger_beaming:
I'm calm. You have the same thing over there depending on what you're protesting at a Uni or online. What's worse though is the political lack of free speech at high levels of government over there. You say anything related to Trump is unsuccessful and you get removed from your position. Report US government data how you've always been reporting it, numbers aren't good, fired:
Say that the military action only set back the other country a few months, fired. Say some stuff on TV, threats of "punitive regulatory action" from his official at the FCC.

Anyway, all this is secondary to the incorrect fact that you said the population is low here that's why we have low murders in the UK. our murder rate (taking population into account) is much much lower than the US too. So there you have it. It's not the unsafe place you were claiming it to be.
 
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Ironically 20 years ago is the exact year of the London bombings. A very bad year. No I don't agree with the sky is falling fearmongering bullshit some people try to push because the data doesn't support it. Even the so called draconian "IDs" were a product of the Tony Blair era, an era that was again 21 years ago:


So I call bullshit about how the UK is now somehow "unsafe". Not much has changed in terms of safety. Just the political bullshit people try to pedal online has risen to new heights.

It was mainly Polish and Indian immigration.

EU and brexit pushed Polish even higher as they tried to make the cutoff period increasing numbers significantly in recent years. it is still mainly the same origin countries too, indian and polish.
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immigration has slowed down since new laws lowered numbers very recently though including the deadline for EU applicants.



Romanian migration to this country was immediate, vast and rapid. I fucking live on a street made up mostly of them now. It was one of the main talking points of one of the leave campaigns. We were promised there wouldn't be a wave prior to their accession, within two years 400k were here. And a few years after that the referendum was held.

We're going through it again now with malingering africans and afghans in our town centres. Spare me, sir. I have eyes, I see it every day.

Every number on that list is catastrophically high and would be a historical anomaly at any other time outside of the vast Irish diaspora after the famine. People who were ethnically, religiously and culturally similar to us. And even then that led to a century+ of sectarianism. Non stop political upheaval and manoeuvrings in parliament from home rule movements, and a civil war on the Island of Ireland with baggage that continues to this very day. We are sitting on a mountain of C4.
 
Well said my friend, I miss the UK of the 80s and 90s very much.

I've had to ignore the resident gaslighter spewing absolute total fucking bullshit as no the UK is absolutely not just as safe or the same as it was 20 years ago what a load of fucking drivel... Off the top of my head London Birmingham Bolton Bradford Preston Blackburn Runcorn Warrington St Helens are all dumps now and I remember them being reasonable or really nice when I grew up, My eyes don't deceive me and my memory is in tact.

My town, it looks like a bombs hit it these days.

I'm not a doomer, and I think we can semi fix this. But it'll be a different society pieced back together, the old one was ruthlessly murdered.
 
So anyway, still think they should've been more trigger happy now it's revealed one of the bullets hit a victim?
If by trigger happy you mean more willing to neutralise the attacker then yes, absolutely. I do not believe it should be beyond highly trained armed response officers to do that without hitting multiple bystanders.

I expect / hope that the lesson learned from this will be that, once a bomb (or active shooter) threat is detected, armed officers should only be thinking about how to neutralise the threat quickly and safely. At that point they should not be having to juggle whether they should or should not be neutralising the threat, which I think is what we saw happening here.

The 'safely' part should be established immediately and instinctively by training, and by that I mean they need to drill to position themselves such that if/when they do have to shoot, the backdrop to the target is already not a doorway or a bus.

It is a false dichotomy to suggest they have to choose between giving a suicide bomber an extended opportunity to detonate a bomb (as they did here - almost a full minute) and accidentally shooting multiple bystanders (...as they also did here). If they learn the lessons from this, they can reduce both of these risks.

Do you still consider the police response beyond reproach in this instance?
 
True. But the majority of the crime in the states comes from democrat run cities. In the past couple of decades, judges and DA's have become fond of releasing career criminals. I live outside of Chicago. Gang crimes and shootings are insane crazy there. A few weekends ago, there were over 50 shootings in one weekend. A few people died. It is almost all gang violence. When you see "mass shooting numbers", they never take into account the gang violence. They usually only include the awful shootings that are newsworthy. Chicago for instance, has the worst mayor of all time. He is an absolute moron and is racist as fuck (towards anyone not black). He and the last mayor have continued to lie about crime statistics. That is why there are now federal troops patrolling Chicago. You can find videos of people fist-bumping them on Michigan Ave. because they feel safe there for the 1st time in a long time. If most of the criminals were actually punished here, crime would be so much lower.
This is a cope, gang violence makes a large chunk of every countries homocides. US just has it worse but it's a more violent nation, as Three was saying
 
Romanian migration to this country was immediate, vast and rapid. I fucking live on a street made up mostly of them now. It was one of the main talking points of one of the leave campaigns. We were promised there wouldn't be a wave prior to their accession, within two years 400k were here. And a few years after that the referendum was held.

We're going through it again now with malingering africans and afghans in our town centres. Spare me, sir. I have eyes, I see it every day.

Every number on that list is catastrophically high and would be a historical anomaly at any other time outside of the vast Irish diaspora after the famine. People who were ethnically, religiously and culturally similar to us. And even then that led to a century+ of sectarianism. Non stop political upheaval and manoeuvrings in parliament from home rule movements, and a civil war on the Island of Ireland with baggage that continues to this very day. We are sitting on a mountain of C4.
Your eyes are not national statistics though. They're anecdotal. You may think that the Romanians specifically were the reason for voting leave but that wasn't the case. The Romanians weren't even the fastest immigrating nationality as I showed with real data graphs. The Polish and Indian migrants far outnumbered them. Farage at the time was saying he would rather Indians and Australians compared to eastern Europeans from places like Poland who he was saying were getting favourable treatment for immigration.

"I do think, naturally, that people from India and Australia are in some ways more likely to speak English, understand common law and have a connection with this country than some people that come perhaps from countries that haven't fully recovered from being behind the iron curtain."

Of course he was also trying to scare people with "HIV carrying immigrants" who were apparently coming over and taking hospital places of 80 year old breast cancer patients. 🙄
 
I'm calm. You have the same thing over there depending on what you're protesting at a Uni or online. What's worse though is the political lack of free speech at high levels of government over there. You say anything related to Trump is unsuccessful and you get removed from your position. Report US government data how you've always been reporting it, numbers aren't good, fired:
Say that the military action only set back the other country a few months, fired. Say some stuff on TV, threats of "punitive regulatory action" from his official at the FCC.

Anyway, all this is secondary to the incorrect fact that you said the population is low here that's why we have low murders in the UK. our murder rate (taking population into account) is much much lower than the US too. So there you have it. It's not the unsafe place you were claiming it to be.
I'm not sure when I ever said it was unsafe. I just made a comment about i expected your murder rates to be lower since there a lot less people in that country.

As far as the speech about trump and The FCC. Not sure if you kept up, but Kimmel is back on the air and almost all of the GOP was against censoring speech. What is happening with people losing their jobs is because there are consequences for things you say. If you are fine with assassinations and express this, people are not going to be ok working around you all day, especially if you have a different opinion. I can walk up to a group of black people, call them the n word. I won't be arrested for it, but the consequences of me saying that are me probably getting my ass beat or worse. Say whatever you want, just remember there are consequences.

Free speech here has been under attack by the government for a long time, but they keep failing.

As far as Trump firing the person in your BBC article, I believe they work for an department under the Executive Branch. That means Trump is the boss. He can fire anyone he wants that works under him in that branch. That's how our system is set up. If he wants to fire him his top general, he can. They work directly for him. Is Trump a big baby when it comes to critique, yup and I wish he would swallow his fucking pride and take an L here and there.

We can agree to disagree, but one thing I think we can agree on is that we both want our countries to do better by their people.
 
This is a cope, gang violence makes a large chunk of every countries homocides. US just has it worse but it's a more violent nation, as Three was saying
I agree. Inner city gang violence is terrible in our cities as is elsewhere all over the world. Again, I would have to do a deep dive on stats, real ones if they can be found, on how much crime is committed by repeat felons, who in reality, should be in prison for quite awhile.

The gang issue became much worse when our government encouraged women to be single moms for more handouts. A high percentage of these kids are fatherless, and it is a shame. You can see how they act. They act like crazy women, but with illegal firearms and terrible aim.

People want crazy gun laws. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country. Most gun violence in the country. Bad people are going to get guns. I agree we need to crack down on a lot of things. We probably could too, if we weren't focused on being the world's police and spending our tax dollars on a lot of wasteful shit and funding other countries economies.
 
Do you still consider the police response beyond reproach in this instance?
No I'm praising them on getting it done swiftly here and going through all the checks, and yes it's unfortunate that a bystander was hit but it could've been much worse.
 
This is a cope, gang violence makes a large chunk of every countries homocides. US just has it worse but it's a more violent nation, as Three was saying
Part of the reason (in the us) is our catch and release type system. We need prison reform badly.

I have said this before, prison shouldn't be a place to return to. You should never want to go back to prison. If you can be rehabilitated and return as a productive member of society then the system is working as intended.

If you return to the gangbanger life after a prison stay, then maybe more drastic measures need to be taken.
 
I'll say one thing, as shit as my family had it in the 80's, my poor old man struggling through it all and us not having a pot to piss in, I wouldn't change it for the world, and I know he wouldn't have either.

It certainly got better in the 90's.

Man, London and even this off cast town of London was quite different in the 90's, in a good way. Spent every week there

Yeah it could be rotten, but in a weird way, we always knew what and where it was..

Unlike whatever the fuck we have now.
African and asian immigration. africans are like 15% of the city and behind 50% to 65% of gun crimes and murder. combine that with asian crime and crime from all other non-europeans, and you get your reason for why its ruined now.
 
Part of the reason (in the us) is our catch and release type system. We need prison reform badly.

I have said this before, prison shouldn't be a place to return to. You should never want to go back to prison. If you can be rehabilitated and return as a productive member of society then the system is working as intended.

If you return to the gangbanger life after a prison stay, then maybe more drastic measures need to be taken.
When we have a society run by gynocentric feels and 'Oh no's', what do you expect 🤔

Now, where we 'used' to differentiate from backwards cultures is that we still protected and looked after our ladies..

Sadly, those ladies got into power and thought we were the devil incarnate under a false feminist agenda

And here we are 🤷‍♂️

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Now, you can love it, or hate it, but it is what is it and that's that :messenger_tears_of_joy:

And guess who's going to bear the brunt?

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..It's not men :unsure:
 
I'm not sure when I ever said it was unsafe. I just made a comment about i expected your murder rates to be lower since there a lot less people in that country.
You're right you didn't claim it unsafe, that was somebody else. What amount of murders per capita did you expect? It's 100 times lower than the US when you take population into account as you suggested we do when I simply mentioned the news of murders in the US.
As far as the speech about trump and The FCC. Not sure if you kept up, but Kimmel is back on the air and almost all of the GOP was against censoring speech. What is happening with people losing their jobs is because there are consequences for things you say. If you are fine with assassinations and express this, people are not going to be ok working around you all day, especially if you have a different opinion. I can walk up to a group of black people, call them the n word. I won't be arrested for it, but the consequences of me saying that are me probably getting my ass beat or worse. Say whatever you want, just remember there are consequences.

Free speech here has been under attack by the government for a long time, but they keep failing.
Yeah I kept up but it still shows that what you say has consequences for both. What he said would have been protected by free speech just fine here. He didn't incite violence or say he is fine with assassinations either. So why did it have a consequence in the first place?

As far as Trump firing the person in your BBC article, I believe they work for an department under the Executive Branch. That means Trump is the boss. He can fire anyone he wants that works under him in that branch. That's how our system is set up. If he wants to fire him his top general, he can. They work directly for him. Is Trump a big baby when it comes to critique, yup and I wish he would swallow his fucking pride and take an L here and there.
He can but it prevents people speaking freely even about objective data. Just as the UK can prosecute hate crimes under law. it's not the fact that he can or can't do this that's in dispute. It's the fact that "free speech" is being completely undermined there at the government level.
We can agree to disagree, but one thing I think we can agree on is that we both want our countries to do better by their people.
Amen to that but I think it's this lack of unity that is making people more hostile towards eachother in a vicious cycle and most of it is simply for political power/persuasion.
 
African and asian immigration. africans are like 15% of the city and behind 50% to 65% of gun crimes and murder. combine that with asian crime and crime from all other non-europeans, and you get your reason for why its ruined now.
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You have to remember a seriously contentious path that certin folks don't want to, or address, culture :unsure:

It's the be all and end all. And that's it.

I know loads of islamic and black people that find anything to do with any of the shit going on as abhorrent.

Guess what separates it all?

Culture.

And when you look into it, guess the kind of people who push certain 'cultures' forward..

Yeah, not nice ones.
 
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You have to remember a seriously contentious path that certin folks don't want to, or address, culture :unsure:

It's the be all and end all. And that's it.

I know loads of islamic and black people that find anything to do with any of the shit going on as abhorrent.

Guess what separates it all?

Culture.

And when you look into it, guess the kind of people who push certain 'cultures' forward..

Yeah, not nice ones.
Culture is connected to ethnicity. Most blacks and asians are fine people, the vast majority, but ultimately, English are not responsibly for non-English, and no English should suffer crimes from africans and asians on a large scale in England. This should not be a problem. This is a created problem that never should have been created.
 
Culture is connected to ethnicity. Most blacks and asians are fine people, the vast majority, but ultimately, English are not responsibly for non-English, and no English should suffer crimes from africans and asians on a large scale in England. This should not be a problem. This is a created problem that never should have been created.

Historically, by the purview that travel was hard and most didn't do it. But for a few hundred years now travel has happened and cultures have shaped themselves around mixed ethnic groups.

It's easy to see who share culturally together by the way they act, dress, and accent is another tell.

You could always do The Thing style petri dish test and whip out a St. Georges cross flag and see how someone reacts. I'm finding a lot of people who might share the same skin colour as me have over the years become a lot less like me and share fewer wants and beliefs.
 
Historically, by the purview that travel was hard and most didn't do it. But for a few hundred years now travel has happened and cultures have shaped themselves around mixed ethnic groups.

It's easy to see who share culturally together by the way they act, dress, and accent is another tell.

You could always do The Thing style petri dish test and whip out a St. Georges cross flag and see how someone reacts. I'm finding a lot of people who might share the same skin colour as me have over the years become a lot less like me and share fewer wants and beliefs.
Few hundred years? that's only true in select spots like in the Americans because of colonization, most places were not. Almost all European countries where 95% white just a few decades ago, most countries in other parts of the world share continental-ethnic makeup.
 
Few hundred years? that's only true in select spots like in the Americans because of colonization, most places were not. Almost all European countries where 95% white just a few decades ago, most countries in other parts of the world share continental-ethnic makeup.

I know. My point still stands.

I don't love mass global migration. It's destabilizing, it's an effort to move people from places that need improving to places that are (were) in good standing. It creates culture clashes (Multiculturalism is like saying Good AIDs, diversity isn't a strength), makes people quick to move and in doing so potentially lose contact with their heritage and sense of belonging.

The freedom to move around is great, but classic humanity couldn't fucking help themselves and they've gone ham with it (Also see social media use for not knowing what in moderation means).

Simply put though: There are people who love the country they live in, they would put their life on the line for the flag, and though, in the UK, I would expect the majority to be of Anglo Saxon descent, it wouldn't be all of them.
 
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Holy shit man, calm down. We absolutely have free speech. Just because people over by you are getting arrested for saying shit that people get offended by, does not mean it happens here. If I lived where you did, my Instagram account would have me in prison for life. :messenger_beaming:

As far as your 3rd world country comment, we only have two cities at the moment that are that, Dearborn and St. Paul/Minneapolis. I guess three if you count Portland, but that city has been filled with retarded retards for quite some time. The other two are filled with the things that this thread is about.
Nah, it's spreading here as well.


Massive settlement that would be defacto Muslim, have their own schools, basically an enclave of Sharia law in the US. if it wasn't a place HIGHLY LIKELY to breed radicalized islamic terrorists, child brides, and heap abuse on any women who happen to go there without wearing the 'proper' garments, it would be kinda like Mormon areas. But those guys gave up polygamy in order to adhere to US law.
 
Good video about why Muslims behave like they behave:



Once they reach certain numbers and gain positions of power local folks will be in much worse situation than they are (even) now. People are betrayed by they own governments.
 
Once they reach certain numbers and gain positions of power local folks will be in much worse situation


If this ever happens, it will mean civil war. Not on social media, but in the streets. People need to understand that this has only been the way when islam reaches critical mass.

I'm not sure who will fall first, UK or France, but when that happens, it will ignite good part of Europe.

Of course he was also trying to scare people with "HIV carrying immigrants" who were apparently coming over and taking hospital places of 80 year old breast cancer patients


In Spain we used to have one of the best public health systems in the world. Today, my mother has to pay 18K for a waist operation because she has been rejected by the very system she's paying with her taxes. There's no physical capabilities to assist everyone. The system is overloaded. Thank god we have money for private doctors and my mom doesn't need to get disabled at age 67.

As you can imagine, I'm a little bit upset about this.
 
If this ever happens, it will mean civil war. Not on social media, but in the streets. People need to understand that this has only been the way when islam reaches critical mass.

I'm not sure who will fall first, UK or France, but when that happens, it will ignite good part of Europe.




In Spain we used to have one of the best public health systems in the world. Today, my mother has to pay 18K for a waist operation because she has been rejected by the very system she's paying with her taxes. There's no physical capabilities to assist everyone. The system is overloaded. Thank god we have money for private doctors and my mom doesn't need to get disabled at age 67.

As you can imagine, I'm a little bit upset about this.
I don't go to the doc very often but when I do there's time I got to wait forever sitting there. My appts are very fast.

But in Canada since it's universal healthcare where certain things are free (like doctors checks) what happens is the lobby is literally full of immigrants where the entire family is there all getting checks. Then you sit there waiting forever and eventually they file out as every person must had got a check just because it's free and everyone is there.

Canada is overloaded too. My old coworker (bless her heart she is ok) but she had cancer issues. Not surprising breast cancer issues and mastectomy. I don't know what the financial implications were but a Canadian appt and surgery would take so long she decided to go to I think Phoenix to get it done. She lives in BC.

I wonder if she and hubby had to pay all of it out of pocket. If so must had cost a ton.

What's the point of paying tons of taxes and you can't even get healthcare services back when you need it in a timely fashion? Where's all the tax money getting more docs and hospitals? It's like all this money disappears into the abyss.
 
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