Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Trailer Thread
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Marconelly said:
Is his influence nothing? If it's nothing the movie has a chance. If influence >0, then there is a 95% chance of destruction.
Judging from the trailer, not much to see... my main issue happens to be once more with the abuse of CG. Indiana Jones is the type of franchise which should LEAST rely on CG. But it's clear, there's gonna be some heavy reliance on this. They said they shot this movie with little use of it, but the trailer already seemed to have multiple times where it was used. Doesn't bode well for the full picture.
There's not enough dialogue to get a gauge of the script.
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Marconelly said:
Lucas had script approval and is Executive Producing. Speilberg has already said he'll get a pass at the editing as well, although he has final cut.
This is similar to the previous Indy films, although Lucas was credited for writing the story. Note: That's story, not screenplay.
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RumFore said:
I don't think that is true at all. I think Mifune is dead on with his comments, in some respect.
The tone of the Indiana Jones films changes dramatically from Raiders of the Lost Ark to Last Crusade.
Raiders was a pretty badass film that was short on over the top humor. It had some dark humor, such as when Indy just shoots the guy instead of fighting him, but it lacked almost all of the slapstick type humor found in Last Crusade.
Last Crusade flat out made a mockery of some of the characters. Marcus Brody was a complete sham in Last Crusade. In Raiders, you had a guy who would go out and kick ass on his own if he were fit enough, then in Last Crusade, he is suddenly a bumbling fool who gets lost in his own museum and seemingly knows nothing about a profession that he has worked in for most of his life.
The comedic tone of the films definitely increased as the series progressed. I don't know if that is a good thing or not. Last Crusade definitely kicked ass, but to say that its type of humor is representative of the Indiana Jones franchise is a gross overstatement.
brandonh83
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Spielberg stated time and time again they wouldn't overuse CG. And I believe it. And judging from the trailer I still believe it. Most of it looked practical. It's okay to use CG for background compositions and whatnot, it's not like this is full of CGI monsters and lava planets. The stunt work looked great, the action looked great, and none of it really looked that CG to me. Of course they have to use CG for certain things, like maybe that huge blade spinning at their truck, but uh, if I were an actor I'd like that to be CG as well.
This does not look like over the top CG. It just doesn't. It's not an opinion, it's fact.
This does not look like over the top CG. It just doesn't. It's not an opinion, it's fact.
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This is good - I think Lucas can in fact concoct stories that capture imagination very nicely, it's just that the execution is probably better left to other people.Kung Fu Jedi said:
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MaverickX9 said:
While I won't dispute most of what you say, I'm not sure I agree with you on Brody. Sure, he was more of a serious character in the first film, but he had a rather small role, and very few scenes. What would lead you to believe that he could "go out and kick ass on his own" from what we saw? For all we knew, he was simply the Dean of the School of Archeology. He came across more as an administrator to me than an adventurer.
Marconelly said:
Totally agree. There is a reason why Empire is the best of the Star Wars films as well. Plus, Speilberg has said that he really respects him as an editor and likes what he can do in that department as well.
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brandonh83 said:
jesus dude of all the pictures of Cate you chose the only one in which she looks UGLY. AHHH
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Anasui Kishibe said:
correction: she looks BAD ASS
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brandonh83 said:
DEFINITELY but still..I
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brandonh83 said:
I think it is too early to make that kind of judgment.
That scene by the cliff with the cars looks awful, though.
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MaverickX9 said:
Like I said it reminds me of old school film chase sequences. I'm not about to bitch about something like that. It's awesome to me. Van Helsing looks awful. That's some awful stuff. Not this. Looks about like any other compositing sequencing in any other action/adventure film. I suppose I have a different outlook on what "sucks" than most people, but I've seen shitty CG and shitty compositing, and from what the trailer shows the movie doesn't fall into that category. It's ILM and Spielberg, and they're some of the best special effects duo working in film. Take a look at War of the Worlds. This is a huge production. If it looks "bad" then I'm willing to bet it's intentional.
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ew, come on, this is a fast edited trailer about a movie that will be not so fast edited. It's Spielberg, not Bay or Greengrass. If a certain action scene does look awful to someone in that clip, don't worry because it's 90% different from the final version
Jill Sandwich said:
I was practically giddy when I realized, "Oh shit, they're driving through that damn warehouse where the Ark of the Covenant was stashed at the end of Raiders. INDY'S BEING CHASED BY TOP. MEN. !!!"
I am on a tight as hell budget, but goddamnit if I'm not seeing this opening day.
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I thought the trailer itself was pretty bad ("NO NO NON ONON OO you're a teacher? NON ONONONO" "yeah, part time"), but the movie looks great for the most part.
and damn, Harrison Ford looks really good for his age.
the weakest parts of the trailer were the special effects that looked out of place, also Shia Lebouf seems to have a big role. Indy himself looks awesome and the way they seem to have him in this is how I wanted John McClane to be in Die Hard 4 (not turning him into a super human, still an ordinary guy who is now a bit older and not as good as he used to be).
and damn, Harrison Ford looks really good for his age.
the weakest parts of the trailer were the special effects that looked out of place, also Shia Lebouf seems to have a big role. Indy himself looks awesome and the way they seem to have him in this is how I wanted John McClane to be in Die Hard 4 (not turning him into a super human, still an ordinary guy who is now a bit older and not as good as he used to be).
brandonh83 said:
No, it's your opinion and it's not even a particularly sound one since your post relies heavily on the assertion that "none of it really looked that CG to [you]." If none of that looked "too CG" to you, I've got a fucking bridge in London to sell you, and I'm dating Monica Bellucci.
But I mean. Let's not beat around the bush here. I'm a huge Indy fan, and I want this to be a good Indy. I'm sure you do too! However, hey, Pirates was some pinnacle of cinematic storytelling last year according to your list so maybe we're just different when it comes to what we find desirable in action movies.
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Amir0x said:
I didn't say none of it looked CG. There is CG. Just not a lot of it. Only the compositing during some of the chases, and that huge blade spinning out of control, which looked fine to me. And without question you have those shots of temples shifting around, like when they're running down the retracting steps. But it looked really good in those shots.
I didn't say Pirates was some pinnacle of cinematic storytelling. Please find where I said that. It was just merely one of my favorite movies from last year, forgive me for being able to have fun at the fuckin' cinema. But yes, we just have differing opinions. No big deal. But there's no need to call me out like that, everyone has a different idea of what a good movie is. I grew up watching movies like Star Wars and Indiana Jones, and movies like Pirates of the Caribbean tend to tap into what I loved about films growing up -- swordfights, high adventure, cheesy romance, etc.
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Cheebs said:
I did. Fucking get over it, god damn. It's a fine adventure movie to me. I knew what to expect from it and got it. I just know how to enjoy myself with movies that were made simply just for that. Doesn't quite make me a "mindless film goer" who only likes brainless action movies, I put There Will Be Blood over Pirates 3 because I think it's better. But I guess it doesn't really matter. I know a lot of people who loved Pirates 3, in fact the only hate I see for it is, gasp, on the internet.
And now we're off topic. So, Indy looks pretty great.
there are plenty of simple fun movies. But when its like 3 hours and has overly complex plots that are useless and go nowhere then it no longer is a simple fun movie.brandonh83 said:
And it isn't just on the internet. The boxoffice proves it. It had a HUUUUUGE drop off in America compared to Pirates 2.
brandonh83 said:
I didn't say you did. I said you said that none of it looked "too CG", which I guess implies you thought it wasn't exactly obvious CG or it wasn't overly CG. But some of those scenes were so transparently CG, and not even particularly great CG, and this is fucking Indiana Jones. One of the best things about the old movies were how they came at a time before CG raping, and it made all the stunts of movie trickery all that more amazing.
Now they're going to substitute that shit for blue screens and Indiana Jones shouting cheesy one liners over a clearly fucking fake cliff? i mean maybe that is appealing to you, but as an Indiana Jones fan that does not tap into the reasons I loved the franchise.
brandonh83 said:
It's not so much "calling out" as a contrast - the reasons you like these action movies are clearly in difference to the reasons I do. People these days tend to make excuses for action movies, going "it's supposed to be brainless, popcorn fun". But there are a huge amount of action movies that are popcorn fun as well as expertly directed and scripted and, yes, even brainy. Why would I waste time on those that weren't then?
Now, let's be clear, there's no way to tell which way Indy is gonna be from this trailer. So I don't even want to hazard a guess, only that I'm setting expectations low knowing that George Lucas is even 1% involved in the project. My lone criticism so far is the really obvious abuse of CG, which before they said they weren't gonna rely heavily on. That was clearly false.
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Cheebs said:
Overly complex plots? If you say so. I had no trouble following it because there wasn't much to it. But like I said, this is off-topic and I don't really feel like going over Pirates 3 in an Indiana Jones topic.
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I'm just judging him by his manner of speaking and what little we do actually know about him from Raiders...
1. He knowingly works around laws and what not by sending Indiana Jones out to get these items.
2. He knows who Belloq is, so maybe he had some runs in with him before.
3. His manner of speaking and general behavior is much more confident. He actually knows what he is talking about. He helps explain the ark to those military people...he knows his shit.
4. He says something like, "If I was 10 years younger, I'd be going after it myself" when Indy is packing his bags to go after the ark. That is the clincher for me...he was probably Indiana Jones version 1.0...the prototype. He was probably out there stealing all these artifacts himself in his youth.
5. He is the one who convinces the Army to let Indy go after the Ark.
I mean, it's all conjecture, but even through his mannerisms alone, you can tell he is quite a bit different.
Look at him in Crusade and he doesn't know anything about anything. He is a completely different character. It is like he is suffering from some type of dementia.
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I don't see why this is always being brought up, he has pretty much the same level of involvement as the past Indy movies, maybe even less (he helped as a 2nd/3rd line director on the first movie I believe).Amir0x said:
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Fair enough Ami, I'm just bailing out of this discussion. Just tired of it, really. I agree with you about action movies being great because of expert scripting and direction. We're on the same page there. I just found a lot to enjoy with the Pirates films, including the third one. I thought the humor was good, the action was great, effects were great, it had one of the best musical scores I've ever heard, and I found the last battle incredibly thrilling. But whatever, I liked it, you didn't. Nothing wrong with that. I've just been in this discussion so many times that it's just tiring to me now.
So yes, I'm bailing. I've stated my peace and there's nowhere else to really go with it. I see where you stand and you see where I stand. Now let's hope this movie rules.
edit: and as involved as Lucas is, he still isn't the writer or director.
So yes, I'm bailing. I've stated my peace and there's nowhere else to really go with it. I see where you stand and you see where I stand. Now let's hope this movie rules.
edit: and as involved as Lucas is, he still isn't the writer or director.
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Cheebs said:
That about wraps it up for Indy4
brandonh83
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You guys don't like Lucas because he can't direct actors or write scripts. Well, he is doing neither of the two with Indy 4. What is everyone bitching about again?
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brandonh83 said:
The problem I have with that cliff scene is that the entire screen is CG besides the cars. To me, that is going overboard with the CG. When you have to film a scene entirely on a green screen to put in a completely artificial backdrop, then you've officially gone overboard.
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MaverickX9 said:
They don't work around any laws. At least not that we see. It's important to them that they acquire pieces in a fair way to display in the museum. He does support Indy completely though, but again, could just be in administrator or curator who is happy to get pieces for show.
MaverickX9 said:
Possibly. But I took it to mean that he just knows of Indy's rivals. They're famous archeologists too, for people who run in that small circle.
MaverickX9 said:
I definitely agree with you here. He knows his stuff and is more confident for sure. But his role was also very small so we don't see him outside of those meetings really. Again, could just be a professor of archeology who just happens to know his stuff very well. Agreed that the tone of his character changed though in Crusade.
MaverickX9 said:
Hmm... yeah, that's a good line that on the surface could just be a throw away. It's about the only indication we have that he may have once been an adventurer like Indy. I'll definitely give you that one as well. Still doesn't lead me to believe that he'd go out and kick ass though. Physically speaking, he doesn't look like the type at all.
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As any good administrator would.
MaverickX9 said:
Yeah, he is definitely different in Crusade, but he's also a greatly expanded character. But his tone is different to be sure. They used him a comic relief for most of the movie. But there is still very little in Raiders to convince me that he was a "kick ass" adventurer in his day.
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Cheebs said:
And I'm pretty sure that despite what people think of Lucas, writing stories and outlining them is a very strong point of his. I agree he isn't a very good dialogue writer. But you'll never hear me say that he cannot come up with amazing stories to tell, and he always tells them extremely efficiently. He knows how to plot, for sure, without question. Most people just hated the dialogue and acting in Star Wars. If he isn't doing the dialogue or acting direction with this movie, again, I'm not sure why people are so up in arms about it.
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traveler said:
Sith was my favorite (uh there goes brandonh83 credibility right out the window lulz), and I thought it had the best acting and writing in the entire saga. It has plenty of good, memorable lines (plain lines here and there, some of Natalie's acting isn't up to snuff) but overall I thought it had pretty good writing and acting. At least for Star Wars. Hayden was fucking awesome most of the time and Ewan was pretty great. Don't forget Ian McDiarmid, either, who was just incredibly haunting and damned scary in a couple of scenes. Like the opera house sequence when he's recollecting about Darth Plagueis... fucking awesome.
They don't specifically say that they do illegal stuff and that Marcus knows about it, but he does say that he'd rather not know exactly what Indy did at the beginning of Raiders so it sort of implies that he's aware that Indy does seedy stuff, legal or illegal.Kung Fu Jedi said:
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Amir0x said:
He wrote the other three too.
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