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Hex said:
Reigns got a huge rub from this rumble, he broke Kanes record for most eliminations, and he lasted until the final two.
This was huge for him.
Tomorrow the rift in the Shield will be played up.
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Yeah. This is a huge part of what tonight was about. It's not so much about Baptista but it's about Roman Reigns' direction as well as Bray Wyatt and more.

And I guess the old-ass New Age Outlaws.
 
Keyser Soze said:
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I only glanced at this while going through the thread and was like "Waitaminute...the Rock's back again?"

Just reading the results (since I haven't watched a PPV since MITB 2011 and really don't regret it), and just so much fail all around. The New Age Outlaws were "meh" as champions wayyyyyyyy back in the late 90's, so why the fuck would you put the belts on them 15 years later? Lesnar/Show was very much a piss-break match due to having next to no buildup. Orton/Cena, lolz - when was the last time a hugely-pumped up match caught that much shit from the crowd (and rightfully so)? Lesnar/Goldberg?

But the rumble...the only positive I can really see out of that is that Reigns came out of it looking great. Just overall a mess, and at one of the events that truly only happens once a year. They better have a stellar fucking card tucked away for XXX, but my guess is it'll be mediocre, just like last year. The RAW afterwards will be great though.
 
Vestal said:
The one person who could make gold out of it would be a guy like Ziggs, but he has been booked like a fucking jobber for so long.

"How I would do it"
To end the streak you need more than just a 10 week booking. You need to build it for at least 6 months. Have the person fight a long side taker for a month or two, then create a split.. Taker takes his usual break for about 1 month then comes back.. Have a quick 10min match at Survivor Series with interference or what not by another faction.. Force a team up again for RR, stare down at end of rumble with WM sign behind them... then you have 10 weeks to build a match between Taker and X wrestler.
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Again, I just started watching again after like 10 years, but does Taker even work that much throughout the year? I thought that he was pretty much one and done anymore.

Flip side is HHH booking Bryan against the Undertaker in a " Ha ha your never going to win, streak, bla bla" match at WM and having Bryan beat him cleanly, with open respect from the Undertaker. You don't want to give him the belt now, then give him the match and the win that he and the fans deserve. Wouldn't matter who was in the ring for the title match.
 
GolazoDan said:
Thing I noticed during Orton vs. Cena was the commentators really trying to put this over as THE BIGGEST REMATCH IN WWE HISTORY, TWO OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME. Did WWE ever have to do this back in the day for Austin, Rock and whoever? Maybe they did for Wrestlemania 17 but those guys in their prime, you didn't need to. Hype levels were at maximum because they legitimately were the best and didn't need to be told that. It's no coincidence that Orton's at his best when he's not main eventing because fuck me, he doesn't have it in those big matches.
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Reminds me of 5-6 years ago when Cena was cutting a promo in the ring with Orton and said something like, "JOHN CENA - RANDY ORTON COULD BE THE MOST EPIC RIVALRY OF THIS ERA!"

If you have to say it to convince people...
 
RkOwnage said:
Sure he does, he's almost as bad as Cena...I still haven't forgotten 2006. Totally played off Eddie. Sad stuff. He even fashioned his EG armbands based on the different color gear he wore. Pitiful!
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Rey Mysterio was given that belt in that storyline and turned into a jobber for the entire duration of his reign. He's been criminally underrated for like his entire run. Remember when Rey won the title that one time and then Cena just beat him on the same night to be a dick?

Now Chavo Guerrero, there's a disgrace.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Yes he did.
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Agreed.
Rey seriously has not improved or done anything to improve or do anything for his character or his ringwork or anything about his performance in so long that I just can not even think back that long.
He milks the name, the gimmick and the mask sales and just coasts.
Mic skills are comple ass, and his ringwork really is nothing special anymore.
 
Echelon079 said:
Again, I just started watching again after like 10 years, but does Taker even work that much throughout the year? I thought that he was pretty much one and done anymore.

Flip side is HHH booking Bryan against the Undertaker in a " Ha ha your never going to win, streak, bla bla" match at WM and having Bryan beat him cleanly, with open respect from the Undertaker. You don't want to give him the belt now, then give him the match and the win that he and the fans deserve. Wouldn't matter who was in the ring for the title match.
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But you still have Sting to take into consideration.. Another match the fans want is Taker vs Sting.. If he is truly showing up in WWE then that's the match that will probably happen.
 
WWE is fucking stupid, they literally have a 21st century Hogan in Daniel Bryan and they won't push him. So dumb. Really dumb.
 
The Silver said:
I felt bad for the crowd when Rey came out, I don't think I've ever seen such pure disappointment and frustration when Bryan failed to come out.
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I felt bad for Rey. It's not his fault the WWE is run by morons. Hopefully the crowd was just booing the WWE in general instead of Rey, but the adulation when he was eliminated kinda dampers that optimism...

Echelon079 said:
Speaking of me being out of wrestling for 10 years, can someone explain something to me? When did every other belt/division besides the Big Belt stop mattering? Someone posted some vignettes of a coked out Ultimate Warrior puling some promo's, and a lot of them were for the IC title.

Whatever happened to working up the title ranks? I mean you'd have 4-6 people gunning for this title, and people gunning for that title, and after they won their popularity would go up and we would see them wrestling towards a bigger belt.

Now it just seems like it is all or nothing. Look at Big E and the IC title. He pops in and wins over Axel, and that's it. Who's next? Where are all the up and coming stars looking for that belt, or the stupid belt Ambrose has? Logical step after the rumble is Reigns taking that title and continuing to grow in popularity. But that won't actually happen. They will try to push Reigns to the top with no middle.

I just don't understand. In the old days (yeah i know), there was storyline and build up for each division/belt. Now it seems like nothing. Even the Tag Team division just seems boring right now, there isn't enough out there.
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As someone who's been out of the game for like 12 years (though I pop my head in a couple times a year to see what new fuckery the WWE is up to), I completely agree. Even worse is that the belts look like fisher price toys. This Roman Reigns guy seems like a chill dude to root for and could be a superstar in his own right (if the wee doesn't fuck it up), but it'd be better if he was rising up the ranks taking belts one by one.
 
Hex said:
Agreed.
Rey seriously has not improved or done anything to improve or do anything for his character or his ringwork or anything about his performance in so long that I just can not even think back that long.
He milks the name, the gimmick and the mask sales and just coasts.
Mic skills are comple ass, and his ringwork really is nothing special anymore.
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Yup, the last time I gave a shit about Rey as a performer was before he lost his mask in WCW. Fuck Rey.
 
GolazoDan said:
Rey Mysterio was given that belt in that storyline and turned into a jobber for the entire duration of his reign. He's been criminally underrated for like his entire run. Remember when Rey won the title that one time and then Cena just beat him on the same night to be a dick?

Now Chavo Guerrero, there's a disgrace.
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This is the noise Rey makes when he's getting beat up, and it makes me think of this scene every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qCU1qQ0cw6U#t=87
 
GolazoDan said:
Rey Mysterio was given that belt in that storyline and turned into a jobber for the entire duration of his reign. He's been criminally underrated for like his entire run. Remember when Rey won the title that one time and then Cena just beat him on the same night to be a dick?

Now Chavo Guerrero, there's a disgrace.
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hahaa I remember cena was a totally bastard in that situation...takes out the dude who beat tons of guys and fights him the same night.
 
NYR said:
WWE is fucking stupid, they literally have a 21st century Hogan in Daniel Bryan and they won't push him. So dumb. Really dumb.
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No. Just no. See, posts like this is why the IWC is considered a joke. Ya' who's the actual 21st century Hulk Hogan? John Cena.
 
Vestal said:
But you still have Sting to take into consideration.. Another match the fans want is Taker vs Sting.. If he is truly showing up in WWE then that's the match that will probably happen.
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Honest question: Which fans are you talking about? Because i don't think 3 quarters of the viewership today even know who the heck Sting is anymore. It doesn't matter how many promotions are out there right now, because there is really only one promotion out there anymore.

Would I like to see Sting/Taker? Sure if its Prince of Darkness Taker and Crow Sting, but Sting won't be coming out of no rafters at a WWE event.

I'd rather see a match that pushed the promotion out of the funk that it is in, but continuing to cater to old draws and it isn't ever going to happen.
 
Hex said:
Agreed.
Rey seriously has not improved or done anything to improve or do anything for his character or his ringwork or anything about his performance in so long that I just can not even think back that long.
He milks the name, the gimmick and the mask sales and just coasts.
Mic skills are comple ass, and his ringwork really is nothing special anymore.
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He has no knees, his ring work's amazing when you consider that. Dunno how much he could have improved since in his prime he was one of the best in the world, he's slowed down which is why he works tag matches most of the time these days. Him and Goldust are two of the better hot tag guys in the WWE. Just needs a partner who isn't a flop.

Also milking mask sales = lucha.
 
Snaku said:
Yup, the last time I gave a shit about Rey as a performer was before he lost his mask in WCW. Fuck Rey.
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Bullshit. Rey's WWE run is one of the best of all time. No man has had as many fantastic matches on weekly television than Rey. Blah blah he hasn't updated his character in years. Ya' know why? Because legendary underdog luchadore is a fucking awesome gimmick.
 
GolazoDan said:
How are you a smark and not a D-Bry fan.
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Because of WWE. I don't like the way they work matches to begin with. They water down every talented wrestler they get, then they burn out as their buzz fades. Punk was crazy over a couple years ago, now he's just another top guy taking a backseat to Cena and Orton, and he doesn't seem to care all that much anymore.

What makes Bryan any different? Give him a long title run and the same thing will happen. Punk had wrestling ability and outstanding mic skills, and he still fell victim to the WWE. lol
 
Trakdown said:
I only glanced at this while going through the thread and was like "Waitaminute...the Rock's back again?"

Just reading the results (since I haven't watched a PPV since MITB 2011 and really don't regret it), and just so much fail all around. The New Age Outlaws were "meh" as champions wayyyyyyyy back in the late 90's, so why the fuck would you put the belts on them 15 years later? Lesnar/Show was very much a piss-break match due to having next to no buildup. Orton/Cena, lolz - when was the last time a hugely-pumped up match caught that much shit from the crowd (and rightfully so)? Lesnar/Goldberg?

But the rumble...the only positive I can really see out of that is that Reigns came out of it looking great. Just overall a mess, and at one of the events that truly only happens once a year. They better have a stellar fucking card tucked away for XXX, but my guess is it'll be mediocre, just like last year. The RAW afterwards will be great though.
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NAO makes little sense, but it's silly saying they weren't much as champions back in the AE. They were the most over team and had some of the biggest reactions you'd hear from anybody on the roster. It screams Triple H to me, and as if they will be splitting Cody and Goldust soon anyhow. Still there's PTP, Real Americans and the Uso's instead. Oh well.

The card was rumored to be CM Punk v Triple H, Randy Orton v Batista, Bray Wyatt v Cena and Bork vs Undertaker, and it seems that's where they're heading. Outside Bork and Taker (who isn't in great shape anymore) it is extremely underwhelming.
 
Trakdown said:
"Hey, you guys have put wrestling promoters out of business before, can you help me out? That HHH is a stubborn little fuck."
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It'd be better than Sting and hogan wrestling. If rumors are true that they are in talks with the WWE, I'd rather see them with Bryan and Punk than in a match at Mania. Bryan goes against the machine and has two people who often rebelled against it to take down HHH.
 
Refreshed Rey Mysterio character is this btw.

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WCW made him a Devil Gary Glitter and now they're dead.
 
NYR said:
WWE is fucking stupid, they literally have a 21st century Hogan in Daniel Bryan and they won't push him. So dumb. Really dumb.
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"He's too small"

That is their mindset and with Hogan coming back he is probably telling Vince the same thing.

That being said tonight had HHH all over it. Kevin Nash payday, Batista in the main event at WM, Shawn and Ric getting paydays, Roman Reigns mega push (which I agree with), Sheamus in the final four, Randy Orton as a top guy despite two strikes. New Age outlaws as tag champs.

Every guy I mentioned has a direct connection to HHH except Reigns but HHH is the guy who signed him. Remember, HHH tried to bury Angle cause he didn't look like a "tough guy". An Olympic gold medalist!!

I think it is time for Vince to reign in HHH like he did when it came to Angle, Foley and the Rock. HHH tried to destroy all three of those guys with back room bullshit.
 
GolazoDan said:
He has no knees, his ring work's amazing when you consider that. Dunno how much he could have improved since in his prime he was one of the best in the world, he's slowed down which is why he works tag matches most of the time these days. Him and Goldust are two of the better hot tag guys in the WWE. Just needs a partner who isn't a flop.

Also milking mask sales = lucha.
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If you have no knees then add new moves to your bag of tricks, work on new techniques and expand your range.
Don't just do weak assed versions of the same shit that you used to do better versions of in the past.
 
Dr Duncan Steel said:
Do you mute your television every time bryan is on the screen?
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The fans all cheer 'YES YES' for their little hero, then all the kids go buy John Cena merchandise.

Bryan's over, but this grandiose 'OMG he's Austin or Hogan all over' stuff is where you lose the plot. Go back and actually watch some Attitude era RAW's. Bryan is over, but Austin and Rock were on a whole 'nother level. It defeats your own argument when you put out claims that aren't actually true.
 
Vince McMahon said:
Brah, Hogan was in Rocky III. Still waiting on Daniel Bryan's silver screen debut.
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Brah that was over 30 years ago. We now have apps that deliver pizzas. Times have changed.

I dunno man. We all knew this would happen. But we simply didn't listen. I'm keeping the rumble logo as a Scarlett letter to myself giving any shred of hope to this company. That'll teach me.
 
Officerrob said:
His selling needs a lot of work, but there is no doubt he's got a lot of the tools
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He checks his eye for blood and flicks his hair back to make sure he still looks pretty.

What more selling do you want from a monster heel?

Bow down to your new king. The Roman Reigns Reign of Acid Rain.
 
JesseEwiak said:
Bullshit. Rey's WWE run is one of the best of all time. No man has had as many fantastic matches on weekly television than Rey. Blah blah he hasn't updated his character in years. Ya' know why? Because legendary underdog luchadore is a fucking awesome gimmick.
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Oh please, when was the last time Rey did anything memorable? When was the last time he had a good match? He's been coasting for a ridiculous amount of time, combine that with the fact that he's prone to blowing his knees out just by walking around and you've got a complete waste of space that doesn't need to be on the roster anymore, maybe use him as a trainer or something, but his time in the ring should've ended years ago
 
Hex said:
If you have no knees then add new moves to your bag of tricks, work on new techniques and expand your range.
Don't just do weak assed versions of the same shit that you used to do better versions of in the past.
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Go back and watch a Rey match from 1996 and a Rey match from 2013 (or even '06) and it is two different styles. But, this is why I have to laugh when people say they want "good wrestlers", then shit all over Rey, who has done nothing but have *** matches weekly when he's had more than seven minutes since some people in this thread have been alive.
 
JesseEwiak said:
The fans all cheer 'YES YES' for their little hero, then all the kids go buy John Cena merchandise.

Bryan's over, but this grandiose 'OMG he's Austin or Hogan all over' stuff is where you lose the plot. Go back and actually watch some Attitude era RAW's. Bryan is over, but Austin and Rock were on a whole 'nother level. It defeats your own argument when you put out claims that aren't actually true.
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You don't see it because it's not happening. I swear you give that guy one chance, and he would be the most talked about guy in the last 20 years. But whatever now. You all won.
 
JesseEwiak said:
The fans all cheer 'YES YES' for their little hero, then all the kids go buy John Cena merchandise.

Bryan's over, but this grandiose 'OMG he's Austin or Hogan all over' stuff is where you lose the plot. Go back and actually watch some Attitude era RAW's. Bryan is over, but Austin and Rock were on a whole 'nother level. It defeats your own argument when you put out claims that aren't actually true.
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Fandango and Bryan are this era's Rock and Austin :P
 
Hex said:
If you have no knees then add new moves to your bag of tricks, work on new techniques and expand your range.
Don't just do weak assed versions of the same shit that you used to do better versions of in the past.
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I don't think Rey Mysterio could reinvent himself as anything other than a pint-sized high flier who does the 619. Unless you want him to try some shoot fighting shit like when Undertaker randomly became the best pure striker in the WWE.
 
Echelon079 said:
Expendables 3, hes killed off in the first 3 minutes by HHH's character from Blade:Trinity with that stupid vampire dog or something.
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Blade Trinity is a fun watch due to HHH

Dr Duncan Steel said:
Brah that was over 30 years ago. We now have apps that deliver pizzas. Times have changed.

I dunno man. We all knew this would happen. But we simply didn't listen. I'm keeping the rumble logo as a Scarlett letter to myself giving any shred of hope to this company. That'll teach me.
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Brother, if you haven't learned yet, you never will! It'll be ok, we'll watch Raw tomorrow like the abused kids we are.
 
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