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CureVylash said:
Oh please, when was the last time Rey did anything memorable? When was the last time he had a good match? He's been coasting for a ridiculous amount of time, combine that with the fact that he's prone to blowing his knees out just by walking around and you've got a complete waste of space that doesn't need to be on the roster anymore, maybe use him as a trainer or something, but his time in the ring should've ended years ago
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Rey with no knees is still a better worker than 60% of the current roster, including guys like Ziggler and Sandow. As for good matches, I don't know, point at a random match of his that's gone longer than 10 minutes in the past couple of years. It's probably pretty good. Hell, he was part of that 4-way tag for the titles that was pretty good.

No, he's not fantastic anymore. But, he was a top 10 worker in North America for most of the last fifteen years.
 
slightconfuse said:
People would by Bryan merch if they had a good design for his shirts. Woe wearing a shirt with a goat in it???
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When people are only buying the merch to wear on Mondays and Fridays and once a weekend when they watch Raw/Smackdown/PPV, does it really matter? How often do you see people out and about with WWE merch on?
 
Officerrob said:
They are going to push him as a babyface, he's gotta do better than that
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He checks his eye for blood and flicks his hair back to make sure he still looks pretty.

What more selling do you want from a monster face?

I'm sure he'll add "Ow my arms hurts, let me shake it" and "Ouch my knee, let me stomp." Roman Reigns' time is now whether you're on board or not.
 
NYR said:
WWE is fucking stupid, they literally have a 21st century Hogan in Daniel Bryan and they won't push him. So dumb. Really dumb.
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Here's the thing about Bryan, he's a guy the Casual AND Hardcore fans love. He is who Cena is supposed to be. You have someone who the crowd, whether they're a little kid or a jaded adult, will always cheer for and pay to watch.

But where is he? Main eventing Raw? Yeah, that's great, that means we're going to see him main event a PPV, right? No? Wyatt family? Why? Who cares? Yeah they're great matches, but why should I pay to watch a show where he'll be on the undercard?
 
Caspel said:
It'd be better than Sting and hogan wrestling.
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No argument here.

If rumors are true that they are in talks with the WWE, I'd rather see them with Bryan and Punk than in a match at Mania. Bryan goes against the machine and has two people who often rebelled against it to take down HHH.
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See, I just think that softens any notion of a push. I could see that working if there was honestly reason to believe that somehow, someway, Punk and Bryan just don't have what it takes to overthrow the Authority without the help of two wrestling legends. I think part of the reason so many people are disappointed with Punk and Bryan's push is because they've gotten themselves over to the point that they should be able to overthrow the authority to bring this to a close by themselves and they're simply not being allowed to for unclear/stupid reasons. The audience already knows they're good enough; It doesn't help their case if Sting/Hogan get involved.
 
Echelon079 said:
Speaking of me being out of wrestling for 10 years, can someone explain something to me? When did every other belt/division besides the Big Belt stop mattering? Someone posted some vignettes of a coked out Ultimate Warrior puling some promo's, and a lot of them were for the IC title.

Whatever happened to working up the title ranks? I mean you'd have 4-6 people gunning for this title, and people gunning for that title, and after they won their popularity would go up and we would see them wrestling towards a bigger belt.

Now it just seems like it is all or nothing. Look at Big E and the IC title. He pops in and wins over Axel, and that's it. Who's next? Where are all the up and coming stars looking for that belt, or the stupid belt Ambrose has? Logical step after the rumble is Reigns taking that title and continuing to grow in popularity. But that won't actually happen. They will try to push Reigns to the top with no middle.

I just don't understand. In the old days (yeah i know), there was storyline and build up for each division/belt. Now it seems like nothing. Even the Tag Team division just seems boring right now, there isn't enough out there.
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This is the type of basic wrestling 101 that's been missing from WWE for several years. Even before the whole company went to shit, I don't think the other belts have really mattered like they used to since back in the 90's.
 
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BTW, if Kane's elimination of Punk counts, then he just tied HBK's record.
 
JesseEwiak said:
Rey with no knees is still a better worker than 60% of the current roster, including guys like Ziggler and Sandow. As for good matches, I don't know, point at a random match of his that's gone longer than 10 minutes in the past couple of years. It's probably pretty good. Hell, he was part of that 4-way tag for the titles that was pretty good.

No, he's not fantastic anymore. But, he was a top 10 worker in North America for most of the last fifteen years.
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Going have to massively disagree with you here.

I've not been entertained by a Rey Mysterio match since like 2003. He also doesn't do mic work, and is a terrible character now in 2014.

Both Ziggler and Sandow are entertaining when put in the spotlight. And Ziggler is one of the better workers in the ring.
 
CureVylash said:
Oh please, when was the last time Rey did anything memorable? When was the last time he had a good match? He's been coasting for a ridiculous amount of time, combine that with the fact that he's prone to blowing his knees out just by walking around and you've got a complete waste of space that doesn't need to be on the roster anymore, maybe use him as a trainer or something, but his time in the ring should've ended years ago
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When was the last time Rey Mysterio had a good match? Like, just good? Not amazing? He's had good tag matches since he's come back on various episodes of Smackdown, usually with that Usos/Goldust/Cody/Shield crew. That's primarily what he does these days, tag team matches. He hasn't been a singles wrestler for quite some time now, certainly not one being pushed.

He probably should have retired just because it's not good for him to keep getting hurt but let's not pretend he's having DUDs every night.
 
Fuck me dead...

How is this a good idea???

I'd like to believe HHH/Vince/whoever know what their doing but bejesus, who does this benefit, assuming Batista goes on to headline Wrestlmania???

It doesn't benefit the fans, as we can so obviously see

In the long run it doesn't even benefit WWE. Buy rates/ratings might go up ever so slightly (to be seen, hopefully they suffer), but then they're in a hole once Batista goes on to make another movie It's always one step forward, two steps back.

This would have been a perfect time to build better storylines for your upcomming stars. Even fn Roman won, you're still building him (and the shield) up to be your future main eventers. But instead we get fucking Batista, who will hang around for a bit, cash a few checks and leave. Meanwhile you're still struggling to build future stars because you didn't get them over correctly because of shit like this.

It's the same bullshit we got with Rock. Who the fuck did that benefit? Not us, not 99% of the roster. Not WWE. Not even Cena, as he can't logically go any higher than what he is now.

This is just bizarre.
 
Trakdown said:
No argument here.



See, I just think that softens any notion of a push. I could see that working if there was honestly reason to believe that somehow, someway, Punk and Bryan just don't have what it takes to overthrow the Authority without the help of two wrestling legends. I think part of the reason so many people are disappointed with Punk and Bryan's push is because they've gotten themselves over to the point that they should be able to overthrow the authority to bring this to a close by themselves and they're simply not being allowed to for unclear/stupid reasons. The audience already knows they're good enough; It doesn't help their case if Sting/Hogan get involved.
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There is nowhere to go without some kind of "authority".
 
Mahonay said:
Going have to massively disagree with you here.

I've not been entertained by a Rey Mysterio match since like 2003. He also doesn't do mic work and is a terrible character by this point.

Both Ziggler and Sandow are entertaining when put in the spotlight. And Ziggler is one of the better workers in the ring.
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If you haven't enjoyed a Rey Jr. match since 2003, then I guess you just don't like good wrestling. Go watch some of the Smackdown Six era stuff when he was wrestling the Guerrero's and Angle/Benoit.

And again, why is 'underdog lucha legend' a horrible character? Ya' know who had that character? El Santo. They still commemorate his death in Mexico.

Ziggler takes big bumps, but beyond that, isn't all that fantastic a worker. I'm not saying he's bad, he's just not the top tier worker some people think he is.
 
Man, I'd hate to be Zayn,Woods or Bo Dallas or a lot of these NXT guys. To be in the industry you love, making money doing what you love, but to know that as long as their are wrestlers from 15 years ago looking to cash a check you might not get anywhere. Might make it feel like all for nothing.
 
Echelon079 said:
There is nowhere to go without some kind of "authority".
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Um....says who? Wrestling has had plenty, PLENTY of angles that didn't involve some "authority" figure. There have been numerous feuds that were just two guys that were competing against each other without the involvement of people running the show. In fact, I think that's better - it's less predictable, you either don't have the "I make the rules/am fucking whoever makes the rules" screwovers or you have them so infrequently that they actually do something for the angle.

Then again, if you're saying WWE has nowhere to go without some kind of authority, you might indeed be right.
 
Trakdown said:
Um....says who? Wrestling has had plenty, PLENTY of angles that didn't involve some "authority" figure. There have been numerous feuds that were just two guys that were competing against each other without the involvement of people running the show. In fact, I think that's better - it's less predictable, you either don't have the "I make the rules/am fucking whoever makes the rules" screwovers or you have them so infrequently that they actually do something for the angle.

Then again, if you're saying WWE has nowhere to go without some kind of authority, you might indeed be right.
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I don't think the WWE has really been to much about that since the Attitude Era, there is always gonna be someone else to take the place of a Vince, Steph or HHH. Why do you think we have Maddox and Vickie (who i find strangely attractive) and corporate Kane?

I think that the McMahaons (spelling) have had their hand in the cookie jar to long to ever have an authority type figure free WWE, at least for a long time.
 
Echelon079 said:
Speaking of me being out of wrestling for 10 years, can someone explain something to me? When did every other belt/division besides the Big Belt stop mattering? Someone posted some vignettes of a coked out Ultimate Warrior puling some promo's, and a lot of them were for the IC title.

Whatever happened to working up the title ranks? I mean you'd have 4-6 people gunning for this title, and people gunning for that title, and after they won their popularity would go up and we would see them wrestling towards a bigger belt.

Now it just seems like it is all or nothing. Look at Big E and the IC title. He pops in and wins over Axel, and that's it. Who's next? Where are all the up and coming stars looking for that belt, or the stupid belt Ambrose has? Logical step after the rumble is Reigns taking that title and continuing to grow in popularity. But that won't actually happen. They will try to push Reigns to the top with no middle.

I just don't understand. In the old days (yeah i know), there was storyline and build up for each division/belt. Now it seems like nothing. Even the Tag Team division just seems boring right now, there isn't enough out there.
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When the brand split happened and all the titles were merged. So 2001-2003. The IC and US Championships really haven't meant dick since they were brought back. I'd really argue they stopped being important during the Invasion angle when all the WCW titles were brought in. WWE went from from 6 (WWE, IC, Euro, Tag Team, Hardcore, Light Heavyweight) to 10 (WCW, US, Tag Team, Cruiser) and then started unifying things, then retiring and bringing things back.

Cody kind of made the IC Championship feel more legit when he brought back the classic design. The Jericho/Rey feud was the last one the really meant anything for the IC, but that feud would have been exactly the same without the belt.
 
Re watching Brock/Show match. I wish somebody woulda yelled out "Get em a Body Bag, yeah!!!". Also you think the match was short due to keeping the ring from being a disaster?
 
Watching SoulPlaya mark out for this really shitty elimination is like watching a Bret Hart fan mark out for Bret winning the US title in 2010.
 
Peaky said:
Fuck me dead...

How is this a good idea???

I'd like to believe HHH/Vince/whoever know what their doing but bejesus, who does this benefit, assuming Batista goes on to headline Wrestlmania???

It doesn't benefit the fans, as we can so obviously see

In the long run it doesn't even benefit WWE. Buy rates/ratings might go up ever so slightly (to be seen, hopefully they suffer), but then they're in a hole once Batista goes on to make another movie It's always one step forward, two steps back.

This would have been a perfect time to build better storylines for your upcomming stars. Even fn Roman won, you're still building him (and the shield) up to be your future main eventers. But instead we get fucking Batista, who will hang around for a bit, cash a few checks and leave. Meanwhile you're still struggling to build future stars because you didn't get them over correctly because of shit like this.

It's the same bullshit we got with Rock. Who the fuck did that benefit? Not us, not 99% of the roster. Not WWE. Not even Cena, as he can't logically go any higher than what he is now.

This is just bizarre.
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It's all a control/politics thing. They gain power over other people in the company by doing what they have planned going forward, no matter what fans and others might want. It worked in the Attitude era because guys like Austin and Rock aligned closer to their ideals for a top wrestler, along with Vince's intense desire to compete against Ted Turner in the ferocious Monday Night Wars.

There's no longer competition on TV to motivate them to appease fans wants. They have no reason to loosen the grip they have over all of pro wrestling. They can only benefit by pulling this shit, as long as people keep tuning in because there aren't other real choices.


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As much as I hate it, get used to it. It'll be same old shit for some time to come.
 
If you look at the old WCW/NWO thing, you had them and Bischoff. But there were still plenty of divisions within the company that were almost exempt from that drama, because it wasn't all or nothing. Nowadays there are so many "superstars" that it bleeds over into everything.
 
DMczaf said:
Watching SoulPlaya mark out for this really shitty elimination is like watching a Bret Hart fan mark out for Bret winning the US title in 2010.
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Was Bret Hart sporting a six pack?!?! NO!

GGG is nearly 47, in better shape than practically the whole roster, is still putting out great promos. The man is the WWE's iron man, and has been for years now. He deserves accolades, but he'll never demand them, and the WWE won't give it to him. He's got the all time record now. We should celebrate this.

In all seriousness, we constantly complain about jackasses who won't put anyone over and use politics to stay on top. GGG does it the proper way, and for that, he should be commended.
 
The WWE has a problem if Daniel Bryan is not in the championship match which looks like it will not happen the fans are gonna poo poo all over Wrestlemania 30.
 
I honestly think what they're doing with Byran is a work at this point. His tweets after the Rumble are pretty obvious.
 
JesseEwiak said:
If you haven't enjoyed a Rey Jr. match since 2003, then I guess you just don't like good wrestling. Go watch some of the Smackdown Six era stuff when he was wrestling the Guerrero's and Angle/Benoit.

And again, why is 'underdog lucha legend' a horrible character? Ya' know who had that character? El Santo. They still commemorate his death in Mexico.

Ziggler takes big bumps, but beyond that, isn't all that fantastic a worker. I'm not saying he's bad, he's just not the top tier worker some people think he is.
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To be fair I blacked out with WWE for the past decade. I've only recently returned to watching full time again within the past year. My opinion is skewed.
 
Echelon079 said:
Man, I'd hate to be Zayn,Woods or Bo Dallas or a lot of these NXT guys. To be in the industry you love, making money doing what you love, but to know that as long as their are wrestlers from 15 years ago looking to cash a check you might not get anywhere. Might make it feel like all for nothing.
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Nah, they should be happy that Rusev, a man who put on one of the most tedious matches in NXT history took their spot. Fuck you Big Cass/Enzo/Aiden for having hugely entertaining segments, fuck you Breeze for carrying a fued against Parker, fuck you Zayn/Nevil/Bo for carrying the show. It still seems to me that "big" talentless fucks get president over people who are telented in any regard when it comes to wrestling. I'm not sure I want to keep on watching this shit any more.
 
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