True Detective - McConaughey/Harrelson crime series - S2 starts June 21st
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I was a little more down on last night's episode compared to the first two.
The power dynamics between the two are pretty fun to watch. Woody Harrelson is such a coward. He's just sitting back giving the other guy shit and not doing anything to help the case. He's just background noise. You can tell he's always been used to being the man's man or alpha but then this guy comes along and just completely owns their relationship in every regard. Ugh. I was actually getting legitimately irate watching Woody Harrelson mope around last night.
Both their interviews seem to be forshadowing a gunfight so I'm really curious to see how two react. I don't think Harrelson's character has ever seen action before.
The power dynamics between the two are pretty fun to watch. Woody Harrelson is such a coward. He's just sitting back giving the other guy shit and not doing anything to help the case. He's just background noise. You can tell he's always been used to being the man's man or alpha but then this guy comes along and just completely owns their relationship in every regard. Ugh. I was actually getting legitimately irate watching Woody Harrelson mope around last night.
Both their interviews seem to be forshadowing a gunfight so I'm really curious to see how two react. I don't think Harrelson's character has ever seen action before.
Juliet's 8½ Spirits
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It's definitely better than BB, The Wire, and anything else on television right now, but still nowhere near Sopranos or Twin Peaks tier.
It does have the greatest intro though
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That crossed my mind but theres just not enough screentime to support some wankery like that.
TangoAlphaLima
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Uhhhh, guys, they think Rust is the serial killer. Or at least that's an angle that they're working. I thought that was obvious?
Yes, absolutely. And I don't think it needs to be spoiler tagged if we aren't talking about confirmed information.
But I definitely don't think they suspect Marty to be the serial killer. When they questioned Marty, it wasn't focused on him, it was focused on his observations of Rust. They think it's Rust.
EDIT: Also, they don't just suspect Rust for the recent murder, they suspect him for ALL the murders. They think he pinned them on an innocent man to get away with the crimes himself.
I've felt all along they were building to that conclusion, from the way the detectives are almost...interogatting them, and we're supposed to judge if it's the one in denial of being a fuckup or the one that has accepted he's fucked up.
But it could just be the odd foreboding tone of the show leading to that feeling when they just want to figure out who screwed up.
Mackenzie 92
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Agreed. He was great in Secret Window and The Ninth Gate which kinda have the same vibe as this.
Cornballer
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I feel the same way. I don't know if it's something that I'd like to marathon. It's dark and dense, so I doubt I'd get as much out of it.
Yes, I think it's a little premature to be crowning TD. It's been great so far, but let's see how the first season turns out.
HalfBakedProphet
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duh. I never said that wasn't the case, I was providing counterpoint to chickos theory.
Jesus, slow down. The Wire and BB both had 5 seasons, we're on episode 3Juliet's 8½ Spirits;98863991 said:
Juliet's 8½ Spirits
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Well I wasnt a huge fan of either of those shows, so...
I'm also a huge slut for great cinematography, and this is easily the best shot show I've ever seen.
Off topic, but speaking of, my son was watching the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles last night when I noticed this...
I don't think there's anything wrong with ranking Twin Peaks with The Sopranos. The Sopranos is easily one of the best shows on televison all time. I also see how someone might prefer the filmic presentation in a show like The Sopranos and True Detective over something small screen like Law and Order and The Wire. To not be able to appreciate the writing, ambition, and scope of something like The Wire, I don't understand that at all.
This article's photo header is worth the click all by itself. Bravo.
This. The scope of TD or even the Sopranos is miniscule in comparison to The Wire. The Wire appears to be about crime, but it's wholly about how institutions corrupt people.
Again, though, saying "It's definitely better than...." is absurd when we've only seen three episodes of True Detective.
I do think there is something wrong with ranking Twin Peaks alongside The Sopranos, though. Almost half of the episodes of Twin Peaks were pretty average fair. I still loved the show and understand that Lynch was screwed by NBC, but I can't rank it among the best.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Man, that last scene and last shot was pure nightmare fuel. Just the way they had the shot freeze on the gas mask guy almost like he was breaking the fourth wall and saw you. Actually reminded me of that old Bigfoot footage, how he's walking and then it just stops.
A lot of the Rusty stuff is going to payoff big at some point I'm hoping/assuming. We'll see how it shakes out but it seems like something significant is going to end up happening to the modern-day Marty and Rust and that's where their opinions will matter most.
reelbigtink
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I'm 29 and that image messed me up pretty good. No other show has affected me in such a way so, at the very least, it has that going for it.
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I hope this is true just so we can make fun of Eagle Twin. Yes, my need to point and laugh is above my want for well made art.
HalfBakedProphet
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Michael C. Hall and John Slattery
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Juliet's 8½ Spirits;98865661 said:
You haven't seen Hannibal then. Hannibal OWNS True Detective in Cinematography. There is no ifs ands or buts about that!
Hannibal and TD are both equisitely shot shows.
I don't think one can 'own' the other. They are both going for different tones. Hannibal is way more Grand Guignol / purply operatic. TD has a moody sepia vibe. Different aesthetic.
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Regular, or menthol?Off topic, but speaking of, my son was watching the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles last night when I noticed this...
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Not big enough. We need movie stars.
EDIT: I mean actors that stick mainly to film and are easily recognized.
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Okay I'm not saying you're wrong, and I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about this, but I have kind of a dumb question. So at the beginning of the 1st episode there's the bird catcher near the victim's body, and then later on Rust finds one another bird catcher in a different location. If he's the killer does that mean him finding the other bird catcher was just a coincidence he could take advantage of? I guess it would have to be.
Like I said, I'm not saying you're off the mark but Rust doing the 95 murder is something I find hard to believe at this moment, though there was that scene with Rust getting the drugs from that prostitute and he says something like how she's right to be scared of him, because he can do terrible things with impunity.
If you want to make the argument that maybe the 95 investigation was the straw that broke the camel's back, and Rust went crazy and became a serial killer I could buy that. (Though I suppose Rust killing a woman, possibly more, the same way as someone else did 17 years earlier would be a little strange.)
It's possible though that by the end of the next episode, I'll be agreeing with everything you've said here.
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from the opening interview with Hart
Hart: Dora Lang, kids in the woods, thats what you want to hear about right?
Detectives: Yeah, right. But tell us about Cohle. We heard some stories. Sounds like a strange guy right?
- they clearly care more about Rust. He must be a suspect.
Also when other officers are gossiping about the scene in the first episode one says:
"She had antlers, what does that mean?"
Rust, listening in, responds "It was a crown"
something about the way he informs them of the purpose of the antlers makes me suspect of him now..
Hart: Dora Lang, kids in the woods, thats what you want to hear about right?
Detectives: Yeah, right. But tell us about Cohle. We heard some stories. Sounds like a strange guy right?
- they clearly care more about Rust. He must be a suspect.
Also when other officers are gossiping about the scene in the first episode one says:
"She had antlers, what does that mean?"
Rust, listening in, responds "It was a crown"
something about the way he informs them of the purpose of the antlers makes me suspect of him now..
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chicko1983
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This video sums up why I think they are not interrogating rust and marty as suspects.
Marty "you want to ask me, just ask god dammit. You ever been in a gun fight? We'll how the god damn you gonna know what I'm gonna talk about?"
Rust "that day reminded me of my pop's stories about 'nam....now look, me talking about what happened back then, that ain't gonna do you no good now." And the younger detective looks in the older detectives direction then rust starts going on one of his rants about "time, death and futility" and the younger cope is about to interrupt him to get him to go back and talk about what happened but the older cop stops him from interrupting.
Both conversations are asking rust and Marty's accounts of what happened during the investigation, step by step.
That is what the questions have been about so far, including questions on why they went to the fontenot house, the church, what happened at the bunny house etc.They want to check that their stories of the investigation are the same and that they can be trusted. In a promo Marty says the line
in frustration "you want to know why the story hasn't changed in 17 years? 'cause the the shit only went down the one way"
They are interrogating them to see if either of them intentionally or unintentionally led the investigation astray when they pinned the murder on someone in 1995, most likely the gas mask man after one of them shoots him in a shoot out, based on what is in that video above. They don't think either is the murderer but the black detectives suspect rust and Marty know more than what is in the 1995 case record. They are hoping that they might have other suspects who could possibly have done the recent murder from their investigation in 1995 to 2002.
And from watching the trailer for next episode
Marty and rust both do know more as they go "off the record" with their own investigation.
Sure it's edited and cut in a way to make it look like either Marty or rust are being interrogated as the murderer or even the obvious "twist" ending of Marty being the killer and not rust, who is the dark and scary one of the two. But it's done that way so the real "twist" is a total surprise for the viewer.
I'm not saying I am right and you are wrong, but I don't think either is a suspect or either actually did it. I do think Marty covers something up though to make rust think he solved the case in 2002 (when they finished up as partners).
Speaking of that scene, the folder with the photos specifically; I wonder if the detective really had to get out of the room earlier because he was getting so aggravated at the way Rust spoke of faith etc. or if it was a ploy to get him to take a sneak peak inside the folder?
chicko1983
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Definitely a ploy to get him to look through the file by himself without them in the room. Im not sure if they can officially give a civilian a police file to look through so if they leave the room, they can plead ignorance. I think They left it there to get him to look through it so that he might get intrigued about the case again and assist them with it.
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until know the show have been more about the characters and this is good because the story about the killings is very cliché, you can see the story unfolding every episode before the end, they could increase the sense of urgency.
Rust is the suspect, the killer is lose in the present day, he planted evidence, the suspect was shot and killed back in the day, etc... Right now I just want to know about the fight between the guys.
Rust is the suspect, the killer is lose in the present day, he planted evidence, the suspect was shot and killed back in the day, etc... Right now I just want to know about the fight between the guys.
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Juliet's 8½ Spirits;98863991 said:
LOL better then breaking bad and the wire after 3 episodes. Is this a troll post?
Suburban_Nooblet
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I assume this has been mentioned but I notice a lot of people are really digging McConaugheys' performance. This one is a little less known and what a hell of a performance.
TangoAlphaLima
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No, I'm not saying Rust did the murders. In fact, I'm pretty positive he did not. But the present day cops are definitely working that angle. They know Rust is a weird dude. They know he was one of the two lead detectives working these murders in the 90s. They know that he "busted" the serial killer, yet the killer appears to have murdered again in the present day. Clearly they think it is possible that Rust committed the original 90s murders, pinned it on an innocent man, and continues to kill. Alternatively, they probably think that Rust is a troubled man who didn't commit the original 90s murders, but clearly knew enough about the iconography and how they were committed to repeat them now in the present day.
I'm guessing that after Episode 4, we no longer do much of the flashbacks to the 90s. I think present day Rust and Marty are going to reunite and try to solve the new murder, after the other cops are convinced Rust isn't the killer. Could be way off on this, but at some point they need to address this new murder in the present day, and it seems like the 90s storyline is winding down.
I'm not ready to jump in on saying they think Rust is involved in the killings. They certainly aren't treating him like a suspect, and if he was smart enough to avoid suspicion until now it makes me wonder why he'd go in there acting the way he is if he knew they were suspicious and was trying to not get caught.
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There are different ways to treat a suspect. If they have reasonable suspicion he committed a crime, then they can arrest him. They clearly don't have that. But cops can always ask a possible suspect to come in for questioning, which is what they've done with Rust. He can deny it if he chooses, but it's Rust, he clearly wants the stage, and he knows he didn't do anything wrong. I'm not sure if Rust knows he's a suspect, but my guess is he's too smart to not realize that.
Go back and watch the present day cops interviewing Marty and Rust. They seem awfully suspicious of Rust, at least to me. And they're only talking to Marty to gain insight about Rust. I also don't think they'd be videotaping these interviews if they were just trying to learn how these detectives investigated the 90s murders to help them solve this new murder. The writing is on the wall, Rust is their primary suspect, although he likely had nothing to do with any of the murders.
I think they're clearly interested in Rust and how he handled the case. Why they are interested is becoming a central question and I can't really justify claiming to know the answer yet.
Yeah, agreed. I'm sure this thread will look dumb once we know, but it's fun to speculate.
Which is why my feeling is yeah, maybe they got the wrong guy, but its possible some years later a copycat started up. I think it's entirely possible Rust became the copycat because after they got the guy it will turn out Rust kept researching and became really obsessed with it, hence...True Detective. Eh?
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I think its more that
1. they are looking to see if Rust and Woody tampered with evidence or corrupted the original case leading to the original villain getting away.
2. They might suspect that somebody who was around them when the original case was going down (ie Woody's lover, family, or somebody not yet introduced) is the copycat killer or perhaps one of these people are the new victim
(if that happens then yeah I think they think its one of the detectives, and they probably would be right)
Its way to obvious to me to think that either main character is the copycat killer though based on the information given so far, and I still think the reverend is associated with it all. His introduction was too much of a chekhov's gun not to use him
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