I'm expecting a new Direct this month, since they skipped January and the last Direct we got was in late December.
They need to show off that Zelda DLC level for Sonic Lost World, already. I enjoyed the Yoshi one, hence my hype for the Zelda one.
Super Smash Bros Wii U & 3DS Thread 4: New Year, Old Arguments
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NSMB came out two years before Brawl did, but the design of Brawl (characters/stages/modes) was locked down in 2005. Mother 3 and Pokémon Diamond/Pearl are the only games with significant post-2005 content in Brawl, and that's only because they were announced years in advance.
NSMB was sort of a sleeper hit. It was announced only a few months before it came out, and it wasn't really poised as a major release. SSB4 is Sakurai's first opportunity to utilize content from that game/series in a significant fashion through stages, characters, or Assist Trophies. NSMB wasn't a success until a year after Brawl's design document was completed -- that's plenty of time to rearrange a song and cut out some artwork, but not enough time for anything more meaningful.
Do you think we've had enough smash games where they can do something like mario kart, where they bring back 16 stages from all previous mario kart games (like 2 per each mario kart game). Or do you think we'll only get brawl stages? I'd like to see 2 from original, 4 from melee, 8 from brawl, or something like that. Maybe more. Anyone wanna come up with a 'top 10' or 'top 20' 'Classic' stage list?
If i had to make a list it'd be the following:
Brawl:
If i had to make a list it'd be the following:
Brawl:
- Delfino Island
- Bridge of Eldin
- Yoshi's Island
- Halberd
- Lylat Cruise
- Pokemon Stadium 2
- PictoChat
- Pirate Ship
- Fountain of Dreams
- Corneria
- Princess Peach's Castle
- Onett
- Saffron City
- Hyrule Castle
theprodigy
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why does Brawl get double the stages Melee does when it doesn't have anywhere near double the stage count
original stages only (excluding Battlefield/FD):
64-9
Melee-24
Brawl-29
original stages only (excluding Battlefield/FD):
64-9
Melee-24
Brawl-29
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
So, just for fun, I compiled a "Report Card" examining how each Playable Series in Brawl has evolved between the gap between it and Smash 4, examining which series got a boost, which series sort of got a bit stale, and which series basically died off.
It'll be interesting to see if any series ends up reversing itself by the time of Smash 5 like quite a few did between Brawl and 4.
Winners
* Luigi: Got a fucking year named after him, complete with a Luigi's Mansion Sequel. It's safe to say he was the biggest winner here.
* Pit: A come-back story, went from a completely nobody to headlining one of the most ambitious 3DS Games, got a series of AR Cards, Anime tie-ins, and was featured as one of the initial characters for Smash 4, arguably replacing Yoshi's spot. Plus, well, Kid Icarus Uprising was an amazing game in my opinion, awkward controls be damned!
* Donkey Kong: The runner-up for "Most Improved", after years of being stuck in Spin-Off Hell, was revived in an extremely well-received game by notable developer Retro, and, now, is getting a sequel to that game which looks to be an improvement of the original in every way. Plus a pretty nice looking 3DS Remake too. Expand Dong, baby!
* Mario: Even though Mario is another "duh" choice, I think the gap between Brawl and 4 is his greatest ever, especially compared to 64-Brawl which only saw Sunshine, NSMB, and Galaxy as mainline games, the latter barely coming out before Brawl did, this time we got Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World, and GOOD New Super Mario Brothers games. Bonus points awarded to Bowser, who brought back his Koopalings, became a powerful villain once more, and became playable again, as well as Peach, also recovering her playable status.
* Kirby: Brawl saw the addition of not one, but two new Kirby characters, and perhaps it was a sign of the good things to come, as Kirby finally got a main series console game after years of being placed on the back burner. Add to that a solid console spin-off with beautiful orchestrated music, a remake of Super Star, a fan favorite, and the Dream Collection released for his 25th, Kirby's doing great! And I've heard positive things about the 3DS Kirby as well.
* Pokemon: Not surprising, as it's always been a strong series (although perhaps some may see the games released between Melee and Brawl, RS and DP, as being the low point), but it got even stronger between Brawl and 4, with two new generations being released (and the solid Gen IV Platinum and HG/SS), the latter which finally brought the handheld series into the polygonal realm, and a slight resurgence in mainstream popularity in the West. However, the low amount of new Pokemon in Generation VI does beg the question...will the series keep this steam till the next Smash Brothers is released?
* Wario: Especially on the Wario Land side, where we finally got his classic games released on the 3DS E-Shop (one, unfortunately, only for Ambassadors at this point), and the visually beautiful, if a bit flawed, Wario Land: Shake It!, which took him back to his routes in a nice way. WarioWare released the extremely neat D.I.Y., and the different, but slightly disappointing, Game & Wario. With the WarioWare brand seemingly slowing down a bit, might we see a focus on the classic Wario once more?
* Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Awakening was a pretty great game and, from my observations, really helped push Fire Emblem's popularity in the West and sort of move it towards a more mainstream series as opposed to being as niche as it was during the Melee-Brawl era. We may, or may not, have a Fire Emblem x SMT crossover coming out too, which no doubt will be pretty cool if it's ever actually released.
* Pikmin: Pikmin 3 was finally released, and it was pretty great! There's also an Anime Series in the works according to Miyamoto, but who knows if that will actually materialize anytime soon, and if it will be worth watching.
So-So's
* Metal Gear: Snake might not even be in Smash 4, and I'm not took up-to-date on Metal Gear Solid, but from what I've observed, you have people excited about the new MGS, and others who think the series jumped the shark with 4 and should just die. So, yeah, "So-So".
* Sonic: Well, he certainly improved a lot from 2006, with Unleashed, Colors, and Generations all moving towards a more solid series, but then Lost World sort of bombed and, well, it doesn't seem like Sega has yet to recapture the magic. He's got a "big new game" coming soon to all the next-gen consoles, and a television show, so, well, I'm willing to give him a chance. But if you ask me, what they really need to focus on is the next Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing.
* The Legend of Zelda: Well, if you ask me, I found Link Between Worlds sort of underwhelming, a solid game, but nothing "mind-blowing". It was a bit too safe for my tastes despite the innovations with item obtainment, which sort of made things boring. Add in the fact only one big console game was released, Skyward Sword, which wasn't exactly the most well received game, and the lackluster Spirit Tracks, it certainly doesn't live up to the Melee-Brawl gap which saw Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Oh, I guess Hyrule Warriors might come out before Smash 4 too, and, to be honest, I'm super hyped for that, but I don't think people consider a spin-off like that to be a sign of the series being the same status that it once held. I'd say Zelda herself is a "winner" though, for having a playable role in Spirit Tracks finally, and a really good rendition in Skyward Sword. Toon Link also wins since he wasn't cut despite claims he'd be, got featured in Spirit Tracks, AND his breakout game got an HD Release.
* Yoshi: On one hand, his own series sort of died out before Brawl, Yoshi Island DS basically putting the nail in the coffin, but on the other hand, we've seen a resurgence of him in mainline Mario starting with New Super Mario Brothers Wii and then going full force in Mario Galaxy 2. This year we may have two new Yoshi Series games coming out, however, one is looking to be very lackluster, and the other's basically disappeared from sight and may not even make it to release if things continue to go south for Nintendo. I think the fact he was the only Veteran left out of the Smash 4 reveal trailer basically says that Nintendo doesn't see him as a strong enough character on his own anymore.
* Earthbound: Still no word on an official English release of Mother 3, but, the translation patch was released a bit after Brawl, which is a good thing. And Earthbound finally made its way to the West via the Wii U Virtual Console, so it seems there's goodwill all around! Still, I don't think Earthbound is planned to be revived anytime soon outside of that, bar that one fan sequel in development, but who knows how that'll turn out.
* Game and Watch: Hard to call him a loser since, realistically, no one was really expecting a new Game and Watch Game. But he got featured in Nintendo Land, which is pretty good all things considered.
Losers
* Metroid: More so for the big fall in grace, as after 3 very solid games that revived the series in a new direction, and the Trilogy Collection being released right after Brawl, things went south due to one game: Other M. Not only was it a bad game functionally, but it completely soured people on the entire brand in a way that hasn't been seen since arguably Sonic 2006. Besides a spot in Nintendo Land as one of the bigger games, the future of Metroid is silent, and many people weren't too pleased when it was announced that Retro weren't planning on saving the series, instead going with Donkey Kong.
* Star Fox: He got a 3DS Remake of the N64 Classic. Well, it's better than nothing. Oh, and a bunch of "Platinum working on Star Fox!" rumors.
* Captain Falcon: Apart from the bare-bones GBA F-Zero featured as an Ambassador 3DS Game, he did get featured in his own game in Nintendo Land, although the fact it's called "Captain Falcon" and not "F-Zero" speaks volumes about the future of his home franchise. Will he become that dude known only for his crossover appearances?
* Ice Climbers: Outside of being featured in NES Remix, and Ice Climbers being re-released on the 3DS and Wii U, these two have yet to receive any big breaks outside of Smash Brothers.
* R.O.B.: Perhaps his inclusion in Smash Brothers Brawl may have been seen as a revival for him, yet he didn't return in any of the Mario Karts after being featured in Mario Kart DS, and none of his games were restructured for the Virtual Console (I'm not even sure how easy that'd be to do, though), and people still seem sore over his inclusion.
It'll be interesting to see if any series ends up reversing itself by the time of Smash 5 like quite a few did between Brawl and 4.
Winners
* Luigi: Got a fucking year named after him, complete with a Luigi's Mansion Sequel. It's safe to say he was the biggest winner here.
* Pit: A come-back story, went from a completely nobody to headlining one of the most ambitious 3DS Games, got a series of AR Cards, Anime tie-ins, and was featured as one of the initial characters for Smash 4, arguably replacing Yoshi's spot. Plus, well, Kid Icarus Uprising was an amazing game in my opinion, awkward controls be damned!
* Donkey Kong: The runner-up for "Most Improved", after years of being stuck in Spin-Off Hell, was revived in an extremely well-received game by notable developer Retro, and, now, is getting a sequel to that game which looks to be an improvement of the original in every way. Plus a pretty nice looking 3DS Remake too. Expand Dong, baby!
* Mario: Even though Mario is another "duh" choice, I think the gap between Brawl and 4 is his greatest ever, especially compared to 64-Brawl which only saw Sunshine, NSMB, and Galaxy as mainline games, the latter barely coming out before Brawl did, this time we got Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World, and GOOD New Super Mario Brothers games. Bonus points awarded to Bowser, who brought back his Koopalings, became a powerful villain once more, and became playable again, as well as Peach, also recovering her playable status.
* Kirby: Brawl saw the addition of not one, but two new Kirby characters, and perhaps it was a sign of the good things to come, as Kirby finally got a main series console game after years of being placed on the back burner. Add to that a solid console spin-off with beautiful orchestrated music, a remake of Super Star, a fan favorite, and the Dream Collection released for his 25th, Kirby's doing great! And I've heard positive things about the 3DS Kirby as well.
* Pokemon: Not surprising, as it's always been a strong series (although perhaps some may see the games released between Melee and Brawl, RS and DP, as being the low point), but it got even stronger between Brawl and 4, with two new generations being released (and the solid Gen IV Platinum and HG/SS), the latter which finally brought the handheld series into the polygonal realm, and a slight resurgence in mainstream popularity in the West. However, the low amount of new Pokemon in Generation VI does beg the question...will the series keep this steam till the next Smash Brothers is released?
* Wario: Especially on the Wario Land side, where we finally got his classic games released on the 3DS E-Shop (one, unfortunately, only for Ambassadors at this point), and the visually beautiful, if a bit flawed, Wario Land: Shake It!, which took him back to his routes in a nice way. WarioWare released the extremely neat D.I.Y., and the different, but slightly disappointing, Game & Wario. With the WarioWare brand seemingly slowing down a bit, might we see a focus on the classic Wario once more?
* Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Awakening was a pretty great game and, from my observations, really helped push Fire Emblem's popularity in the West and sort of move it towards a more mainstream series as opposed to being as niche as it was during the Melee-Brawl era. We may, or may not, have a Fire Emblem x SMT crossover coming out too, which no doubt will be pretty cool if it's ever actually released.
* Pikmin: Pikmin 3 was finally released, and it was pretty great! There's also an Anime Series in the works according to Miyamoto, but who knows if that will actually materialize anytime soon, and if it will be worth watching.
So-So's
* Metal Gear: Snake might not even be in Smash 4, and I'm not took up-to-date on Metal Gear Solid, but from what I've observed, you have people excited about the new MGS, and others who think the series jumped the shark with 4 and should just die. So, yeah, "So-So".
* Sonic: Well, he certainly improved a lot from 2006, with Unleashed, Colors, and Generations all moving towards a more solid series, but then Lost World sort of bombed and, well, it doesn't seem like Sega has yet to recapture the magic. He's got a "big new game" coming soon to all the next-gen consoles, and a television show, so, well, I'm willing to give him a chance. But if you ask me, what they really need to focus on is the next Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing.
* The Legend of Zelda: Well, if you ask me, I found Link Between Worlds sort of underwhelming, a solid game, but nothing "mind-blowing". It was a bit too safe for my tastes despite the innovations with item obtainment, which sort of made things boring. Add in the fact only one big console game was released, Skyward Sword, which wasn't exactly the most well received game, and the lackluster Spirit Tracks, it certainly doesn't live up to the Melee-Brawl gap which saw Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Oh, I guess Hyrule Warriors might come out before Smash 4 too, and, to be honest, I'm super hyped for that, but I don't think people consider a spin-off like that to be a sign of the series being the same status that it once held. I'd say Zelda herself is a "winner" though, for having a playable role in Spirit Tracks finally, and a really good rendition in Skyward Sword. Toon Link also wins since he wasn't cut despite claims he'd be, got featured in Spirit Tracks, AND his breakout game got an HD Release.
* Yoshi: On one hand, his own series sort of died out before Brawl, Yoshi Island DS basically putting the nail in the coffin, but on the other hand, we've seen a resurgence of him in mainline Mario starting with New Super Mario Brothers Wii and then going full force in Mario Galaxy 2. This year we may have two new Yoshi Series games coming out, however, one is looking to be very lackluster, and the other's basically disappeared from sight and may not even make it to release if things continue to go south for Nintendo. I think the fact he was the only Veteran left out of the Smash 4 reveal trailer basically says that Nintendo doesn't see him as a strong enough character on his own anymore.
* Earthbound: Still no word on an official English release of Mother 3, but, the translation patch was released a bit after Brawl, which is a good thing. And Earthbound finally made its way to the West via the Wii U Virtual Console, so it seems there's goodwill all around! Still, I don't think Earthbound is planned to be revived anytime soon outside of that, bar that one fan sequel in development, but who knows how that'll turn out.
* Game and Watch: Hard to call him a loser since, realistically, no one was really expecting a new Game and Watch Game. But he got featured in Nintendo Land, which is pretty good all things considered.
Losers
* Metroid: More so for the big fall in grace, as after 3 very solid games that revived the series in a new direction, and the Trilogy Collection being released right after Brawl, things went south due to one game: Other M. Not only was it a bad game functionally, but it completely soured people on the entire brand in a way that hasn't been seen since arguably Sonic 2006. Besides a spot in Nintendo Land as one of the bigger games, the future of Metroid is silent, and many people weren't too pleased when it was announced that Retro weren't planning on saving the series, instead going with Donkey Kong.
* Star Fox: He got a 3DS Remake of the N64 Classic. Well, it's better than nothing. Oh, and a bunch of "Platinum working on Star Fox!" rumors.
* Captain Falcon: Apart from the bare-bones GBA F-Zero featured as an Ambassador 3DS Game, he did get featured in his own game in Nintendo Land, although the fact it's called "Captain Falcon" and not "F-Zero" speaks volumes about the future of his home franchise. Will he become that dude known only for his crossover appearances?
* Ice Climbers: Outside of being featured in NES Remix, and Ice Climbers being re-released on the 3DS and Wii U, these two have yet to receive any big breaks outside of Smash Brothers.
* R.O.B.: Perhaps his inclusion in Smash Brothers Brawl may have been seen as a revival for him, yet he didn't return in any of the Mario Karts after being featured in Mario Kart DS, and none of his games were restructured for the Virtual Console (I'm not even sure how easy that'd be to do, though), and people still seem sore over his inclusion.
Technically it was announced years before. It was one of the first DS games shown.
Man, Yoshi Island graphics for stage objects and a Toad village at night background. Interesting to see how things changed.
I saw this in another thread, and Im bothered all over again that Toad isnt in Smash Bros. Hes easily the most recognizable Nintendo character yet to be playable in the series.
- Toad is playable in a handful of mainline Super Mario games.
- Hes the main character of Warios Woods.
- Hes one of only six characters to be playable in every Mario Kart.
- He was one of the top ten most wanted characters in Sakurais official Melee character poll.
- Whenever Nintendo releases toys, keychains, or other licensed merchandise (like the aforementioned Happy Meal), Toad is one of the characters who shows up most often.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I'd say there's a difference between being recognizable and being playable in a cross-over fighter.
I mean, sure, with the Mario series he's a good playable character, but he's never shown any unique skills like Luigi, Peach, and Bowser have, he's always just a "palette swap" more or less with slightly different stats any game he's featured in.
I mean, sure, with the Mario series he's a good playable character, but he's never shown any unique skills like Luigi, Peach, and Bowser have, he's always just a "palette swap" more or less with slightly different stats any game he's featured in.
YOU'RE CRAZY FOR NOT BELIEVING!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Is that some Japanese number wordplay?
Like wouldn't the Sixth of February be, like, Mu (6) Tsuki (February)...
So close to Myuutsu, Mewtwo's Japanese name?
Just because it hasn't had any 'retro' stages yet. Melee and 64 have each had their stages span 2 games, where brawl has not. That was my reasoning.
Uh.... American SMB2? Real SMB2? He was by far the best at pulling up items/digging. He also always controls the best in Kart. I mean, is Luigi really that different (jumps high, slippery controls?). He would be great for Smash - a turnip-projectile based character.
Vampirolol
Member
Yeah, those spikes still kill me sometimes. We need fair stage hazards, even if it sounds strange.
Thequietone
Member
Hyperactivity
Banned
To Ditto.
theprodigy
Member
Every screenshot this week has been Pokemon related, and Pokemon Bank came out in America today.
So a Pikachu and Lucario screenshot it is!
This was my argument for Toad as well and why personally, I think he should have made it in before Rosalina. There is a lot of moveset variety to make him an interesting character, and he is easily (aside from a shit ton of Pokemon) the most iconic Nintendo character to have not made it into Smash Bros. yet.
twothunder
Member
"Diary: Feb. 6. MEW gave birth. We named the newborn MEWTWO."
Still remember this from when I was a kid and playing Pokemon Red for the first time.
Anyway. Doubt we'll get a Mewtwo reveal tomorrow ,but I still hope he re-appears as a playable character.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Nah, I mean I know that's his actual birthday, but was it chosen because 6/2 (since Japan does day first) can be written as "mutsuu".
Lord_Byron28
Member
Id say Toad has more than enough games it could pull from to get some things decided. In SM3DW he was fast but had a weak jump and in SMB2 he was the strongest. He could pull some movesets from the spin off series. They could even do a unique toad such as Captain Toad or Toadsworth. I'm sure Sakurai could find some fun idea like doing Toad Brigade and having Captain Toad as the lead like Popo.
I hope this is a joke because Peach is just a lazy plot device for why Mario and Luigi go on adventures.
I hope this is a joke because Peach is just a lazy plot device for why Mario and Luigi go on adventures.
I laughed.
Very good info Birdie! That was a nice read. Never thought about Pit "replacing" Yoshi as the initial roster though.
Random question: is it possible to download videos off of Nintendo's official site? None of my "methods" are working. The Developer Direct here looks much better than the YouTube version, and I'd like to keep it for future reference. We might not be allowed to talk about it here, but I'd appreciate a PM if anybody has an answer.
New Alternate Color Ideas for the new/existing characters?
Mario:
Blue Team - Ice Flower Mario (light blue/red)
Peach:
Red Team - Fire Flower Peach (white/red)
Pikachu:
Mystery Dungeon scarf
Marth:
Lucina alt
Mega Man:
Blue Team - default
Red Team - Protoman
Green Team
Black/Yellow - Bass
Orange/White - Cut Man
Yellow/Blue - original NES cover costume
Rosalina:
Blue Team - darker blue
Red Team - Fire Flower Rosalina
Green Team
Teal - default
Gold
Black - 3D World Cat Suit color
Wii Fit Trainer:
Blue Team - default
Red Team
Green Team - Wii Fit U color
Male (Blue Team)
Male (Red Team)
Male (Green Team)
Villager:
Blue Team - New Leaf pic
Red Team - default
Green Team - clover design
Female (Red Team) - Pink flower design
Female (Blue Team) - "A" design
Female (Green Team) - New Leaf pic
Mario:
Blue Team - Ice Flower Mario (light blue/red)
Peach:
Red Team - Fire Flower Peach (white/red)
Pikachu:
Mystery Dungeon scarf
Marth:
Lucina alt
Mega Man:
Blue Team - default
Red Team - Protoman
Green Team
Black/Yellow - Bass
Orange/White - Cut Man
Yellow/Blue - original NES cover costume
Rosalina:
Blue Team - darker blue
Red Team - Fire Flower Rosalina
Green Team
Teal - default
Gold
Black - 3D World Cat Suit color
Wii Fit Trainer:
Blue Team - default
Red Team
Green Team - Wii Fit U color
Male (Blue Team)
Male (Red Team)
Male (Green Team)
Villager:
Blue Team - New Leaf pic
Red Team - default
Green Team - clover design
Female (Red Team) - Pink flower design
Female (Blue Team) - "A" design
Female (Green Team) - New Leaf pic
That's a pretty nice list, but I'd disagree with your assessment of MGS. Yes, a lot of people found ridiculous MGS4 ridiculous, but it was still considered an amazing game that won most of GOTY awards, including GAF GOTY, twice. MGSW is thought of pretty fondly too. If anything, MGSV might destroy some of that good will next month, though that's more publisher's fault than the series.
And I guess I sadly agree with Zelda. I loved SS, it's my fav 3D Zelda, but it's without a doubt that the series is not regarded as well as it was 6 years ago. ALBW has somewhat bucked a trend and if next Zelda is more conservative with the setting that may continue, but right now, umm, how to phrase it? It's mindshare among the general gaming populace is not the same it used to be.
W is thought of pretty fondly too. If anything, MGSV might destroy some of that good will next month, though that's more publisher's fault than the series.And I guess I sadly agree with Zelda. I loved SS, it's my fav 3D Zelda, but it's without a doubt that the series is not regarded as well as it was 6 years ago. ALBW has somewhat bucked a trend and if next Zelda is more conservative with the setting that may continue, but right now, umm, how to phrase it? It's mindshare among the general gaming populace is not the same it used to be.
For some reason I feel the BB top will make an appearance.
I also hope that each colour for Villager has a different face design to reflect the different ones found in the game. But with over 200 different designs for tops from in the games it'll be very hard to guess which ones they pick. Bold-check Tee could be a safe guess since that's what the female villager wears on the City Folk cover.
I also hope that each colour for Villager has a different face design to reflect the different ones found in the game. But with over 200 different designs for tops from in the games it'll be very hard to guess which ones they pick. Bold-check Tee could be a safe guess since that's what the female villager wears on the City Folk cover.
Jesus the spikes were fucking ridiculous. It's like they stole all the hitstun in Brawl.
theprodigy
Member
astrogamer
Member
Isn't it usually that the Team outfits are different from default. I could have sworn that it was that way for brawl at least
Edit: I just fired up Melee on Dolphin and just noticed this but the Ice Climbers actually switch for certain costumes(as default, you play as Popo, but some like Red Team, you play as Nana). It's a small touch that I never paid attention to
For any character that has a primary color that matches one of the teams, they keep that palette swap. Diddy's default color is used for Red and Lucario's for Blue for instance.
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I'll just say this now, since we're on skins: I'm completely against any alts that completely change who the character is. The movesets probably won't do the skin-character justice, it feels disrespectful to the fans of those characters ("Hey, your favorite character isn't unique or interesting enough to justify a slot on the roster, but fucking Toon Link is.") and it starts to call into question why certain other characters aren't just skins ("Do we really need regular Mario and Green Mario?").
Red Arremer
Member
That is correct.
Default colors that also are team colors are:
Red Team: Diddy, Dedede, Mario, Ness, Peach (in Melee), R.O.B., Samus (in Melee and 64)
Blue Team: Lucario, Sonic
Green Team: Bowser, Link, Luigi, Toon Link, Yoshi, Young Link
The reason why Samus got the color change in Brawl is because of the Zero Suit, btw. Default color Samus swaps to the default cyan Zero Suit. So instead they gave the pink armor to the red team, because the Zero Suit there is also pink. armor.
It also is my favorite color swap because the pink armor and the pink Zero Suit are both throwbacks to Metroid 1. So it's pretty much perfect.
Also fun fact is that Samus also used to have the Gravity Suit as her blue team alt, but with Brawl it was changed to Fusion's
Shadow Hog
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Personally, I hope the colors vary a bit more for Sonic. Varying shades of blue just wasn't distinct enough. It's a non-canon fighting game, who cares if you can play as a green Sonic.
Lucario, too. I mean, he has a yellow Shiny variant. Why not use it? Why stick with nothing but shades of blue (and one grayscale palette)?
Lucario, too. I mean, he has a yellow Shiny variant. Why not use it? Why stick with nothing but shades of blue (and one grayscale palette)?
Blame Sega and the Pokémon Company. I don't know why they're so "protective."
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Mario Kart biker suit?
Red Arremer
Member
Tanuki suit too.
For colors, obviously the fire flower dress (red with white borders), and I guess they could base some colors off of the suits if they don't want to dress her in them.
BigBadShamoo
Banned
Palkia, I think thats the pokemon in the daily image(lol), looks pretty cool there. Hopefully the stage doesn't do retarded shit this time around.
Masked Man
I said wow
As a huge Toad fan, I have always felt disappointed by the way Nintendo toys with him: sometimes they include him, sometimes they don't. Of course, I was ecstatic when they revealed that 3D World would be set up similarly to SMB2/USA, and I can proudly say that I cleared every level using my favorite little mushroom retainer. Things don't bode well for him now that we've seen Peach use "a" Toad for her shield, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that "the" Toad will someday join the fray.
I think February is kisaragi (如月/衣更着
, and mutsuki (睦月 is January. It would be cool if there were some kind of wordplay, though!