SlimySnake
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Snowdrop uses mesh shaders for foliage. They made no mention of using mesh shaders for non-foliage objects.
Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen
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Transition from gameplay to cutscenes is very smooth and welcome. I'm not sure why anyone was impressed with the game outside of cutscenes they showed, it all looked standard stuff. You can tell they brought animations and gunplay over from Mafia remake, which is not great. The game never looked impressive to me from anything they showed in-game thus far.
Edit: IQ looks washed out. I first thought it was YouTube compression, but on second look some of the texture work is very poor. After seeing Witcher 4 the lighting is also weak. They're probably using software Lumen.
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GooseMan69
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The fuck is this? Looks a gen behind TLOU II. Night time lighting is completely flat. PS3 era animations. Very disappointing.
Balducci30
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I don't like mmo fetch quests
roosnam1980
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no pop-in visible in that mafia gameplay video
GooseMan69
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I'm actually stunned at how poor it looks, both visually and gameplay wise. Animation work in particular is unbelievably bad by 2025 standards.
GymWolf
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I was not impressed by the cutscene neither since the models are kinda poor.
You can look at my poost history, i was never as impressed like slimy, i was probably the most negative one.
GymWolf
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All the mafia have kinda janky animations, yes even mafia 3 that is the best of the bunch animation wise was nowhere near even tlou1 on ps3 animation wise (but tbf, a lot of modern games have worse animations than tlou1).
I was not expecting much animation wise.
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Cutscenes look good imo, not great. The in-game stuff is the letdown. Outside of couple of screenshots of some high res assets the game looked ok at best, not sure why some people thought it looked great.
We have to talk about animations. While the visuals have gradually improved, animations are still atrocious industry wide and we're still running PS4 era animations 95% of the time (probably more). When combined with improved visuals these animations stand out like a sore thumb. This is the biggest stagnant point in games today.
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Gonzito
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RodriGames40
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Animation has no silver bullet to be made standard and make it "good" across the board unfortunately. Metahumans have been putting in some work in the facial front, but body wide animations require the studio to actually be competent at motion capture.
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BlownUpRich
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The new Mafia game will introduce skippable mission sections, so whenever
SlimySnake
finds a graphically inconsistent section, he can simply skip it.
The game already looks extremely inconsistent & simple video gamey looking in many sections.
Edit: Man this game feels so generic, I wouldn't play it even if it was for free, not worth my time.
SlimySnake
finds a graphically inconsistent section, he can simply skip it.The game already looks extremely inconsistent & simple video gamey looking in many sections.
Edit: Man this game feels so generic, I wouldn't play it even if it was for free, not worth my time.
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A lot of AAA studios have access to state of the art motion capture, they just choose to use same animations to save money and time.
BlownUpRich
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Death Stranding 2 looks way more impressive than Mafia AKA the budget UE5 game, you get sharp shadows and some over-exaggerated light bleed thanks to GI.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
If a girl has a beautiful face, incredible tits, gorgeous hour glass figure, lush curly hair, and a smoking ass then yes, if she sometimes looks mid under some lighting conditions, i'd be inclined to ignore some of her shortcomings.The new Mafia game will introduce skippable mission sections, so whenever
The game already looks extremely inconsistent & simple video gamey looking in many sections.
Edit: Man this game feels so generic, I wouldn't play it even if it was for free, not worth my time.
Now if a girl looks like shit everywhere except for in snowy mountains then unless im living in the fucking alps, i am not going to touch her with a ten foot pole.
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rofif
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looks like a ps2 gameI need to remind you gentlemen what a PS3 is, before you continue with these bizarre arguments.
Kikorin
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For a 50€ game looks fine, I'm glad they did another chapter for the series. Graphically looks average, but never looked impressive at all except for UE5 supporters out there.
And someone in this thread even tried to convince us that the next Mafia will looks better than something like Death Stranding 2 lol
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BlownUpRich
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Nah Slimy is on a whole different level with his comments, that's why we love you.
realcool
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Beer is the original Unreal Engine.
GymWolf
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look the same as the sea foam from hfw.
Playing on Pro performance.
Got a bit further in the game. Did you unlock the Pizza Chef cutscene?
tbh I dropped the first game near the beginning and thought it was pretty boring, but I'm liking this one better. But yeah some areas look a lot better than others. 
PeteBull
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For constrast/comparision thats uncharted4 both on 1,8tf base ps4 and 4,2tf ps4pr0, both ofc with jaguar cpu which was visibly weaker even from 2011's 2500k ;D
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rofif
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exactly. and uncharted 4 looks better aside from obvious lods.
but hey, it's ue5 so at least it's nanite and lumen... in this static game.
coachmcguirk91
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Because its UE5, and some people here desperately want a proper UE5 game to live up to its potential. What's the next AAA UE5 game to get excited for? Outer Worlds 2?
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PeteBull
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I agree uc4 looks better overall, ofc we can nitpick and find areas where mafia beats it but if we put footage side by side, even casual will chose uc4 as more beautiful/technically advanced xD
BlownUpRich
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Mafia received a massive graphical downgrade. Oh that 60 fps cost or else it'll be another stuttery experience.
That's why it looked subpar in the latest gameplay, disgusting.
That's why it looked subpar in the latest gameplay, disgusting.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
nah, he wont give me any more orders. hes the only one i still have at 2 stars. what is this move? does he give you it?Playing on Pro performance.
Got a bit further in the game. Did you unlock the Pizza Chef cutscene?
Edellus
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Decima is impressive, but that particular aspect (the foam) is not new. It was also present in HFW.
ResetEraVetVIP
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Microgeometry and Lumen.
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ResetEraVetVIP
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lmao
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Msamy
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We're all shocked
mrMUR_96
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Tbf, UE adding motion-matching as a built-in feature should help a lot. Hopefully we'll see it help towards the end of the gen and next gen. But yes, it's absolutely sticking out quite obviously on a lot of games, physics too is a a weaker point.
Go to the nearby enemy camp next to the pizza chef. Search around in one of the buildings to grab the Misagna box and deliver it to him. Should get a cutscene to open up the door inside his outpost, search in there until another cutscene happens. After that, it'll let you do more missions to increase the star rank which he'll give you 3 melee moves.
SlimySnake
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Man i love your gifs. Please post more. Im like your biggest fan lolGo to the nearby enemy camp next to the pizza chef. Search around in one of the buildings to grab the Misagna box and deliver it to him. Should get a cutscene to open up the door inside his outpost, search in there until another cutscene happens. After that, it'll let you do more missions to increase the star rank which he'll give you 3 melee moves.
I have a lot of captures of the mountain region i need to gif. There is a boss fight in the snow that was absolutely spectacular. I had four flying sentry guns just melting the boss as it was literally throwing buses at me. Right in a middle of what felt like a snowstorm. Absolutely amazing stuff.
SlimySnake
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Audiophile
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I wonder if we'll get a director's cut of DS2. Hopefully -- given that resolution and FPS will add practically nothing to the experience -- it comes after a major upgrade to Decima for Horizon 3 and they implement RTGI or something for it.
powder
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I don't think it needs RTGI. Director's Cut would imply more missions/gear/vehicles/horny
Carmen Winstead
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It definitely won't be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if this one got a downgraded 20–25 FPS PS4 release nowadays. It looks like the Miles Morales/Lost Legacy treatment for Ghost of Tsushima.this thread immediately after the State of Play.
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SlimySnake
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I dont even think RTGI can fix this game. Their underlying lighting model is extremely dated even by baked lighting standards. RTGI will simply make it accurate with proper AO and shadows, but the rest? Last gen draw distance, last gen rocks, last gen trees and foliage? No amount of RT will save it. Maybe path tracing like it did for indy, but path tracing didnt save Doom for me even though it does look better in motion now. But baked lighting does not necessarily have to look bad. Alan Wake 2, Callisto, FF16, HFW, and Ratchet all use baked lighting and look better.
Whatever shaders they are using for snow and those snowy mountains are perfect. The look great when sunlight is bouncing off of them. They look great at dusk and dawn when there is not much light. If the rest of the game had those shaders for the ground, it wouldve looked way better without needing RTGI. The ground level detail in the Unreal Engine Rebirth trailer still looks great and it didnt use any ray tracing. Just a realtime GI model.
Went back to HFW a couple of days ago to do a quick comparison, and while the draw distance is exceptionally limited, and the game has aged somewhat, it routinely produced striking visuals as I made my way through the map. DS2 just feels underwhelming af.
metareferential
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The engine is just in dire need of a big overhaul: draw distances and scale are so last gen. Fog and volumetrics help a bit, but it still feels unnatural.
Couple that to the lighting model and you get that look. I never found Horizon to be that impressive to be honest. It's really hard to do natural open worlds right. The last one to reall impress me has been Just Cause 2, and that's ancient by now.
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