Graphical Fidelity I Expect This Gen

SlimySnake said:
Neil is done with the show. This is basically what I had feared all this time. Their studio head and main director was off palling around with hollywood stars making tv shows while his studio spent 5 years jerking off making a total of zero new games. Crazy how one guy ruined the entire output of arguably the most talented studio in the industry.

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Unbelievable how a multi million dollar studio is being held hostage by their creative director's personal ambitions, with the last 6 years down the drain.

And somehow SIE leadership thinks this is ok...
 
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Reaseru said:
Unbelievable how a multi million dollar studio is being held hostage by their creative director's personal ambitions, with the last 6 years down the drain.

And somehow SIE leadership thinks this is ok...
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way more than 6 years. He might've drowned the whole studio.
Uncharted 4 still had Bruce Starley to save it and it shows. It's amazing. same with tlou1.
But tlou2 was Neil and Neil alone and it shows. While technically and gamepaly, the game is great... and even I understand the story is bold and unique...
Yet it's not something unversally liked, not selling as much as they hoped for. It also doomed the franchise, polarizing the fanbase way too much. Intergalactic is DOA.

And you might think "Kojima did that with mgs2"... and it's so much different.
 
Bojji said:
I forgot about this, haha. This is even stronger argument, while many other games use RTGI - Nanite like tech is very rare and pretty much UE5 exclusive at this point.
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Tanking performance to oblivion is also a unique feature of theirs. I know that this is not the thread for this opinion. I'll be leaving.
 
Radical_3d said:
Tanking performance to oblivion is also a unique feature of theirs. I know that this is not the thread for this opinion. I'll be leaving.
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It's not unique at all, there are many other games with stutters (Dead Space) and super heavy GPU requirements (like FFXVI). I agree with you that performance is trash (CPU requirements and stutters at least), it should have been fixed years ago. According to CDPR it's gonna be fixed soon but it will take ~2 years or more to see those improvements in games.

Still, results speak for themselves when it comes to quality of graphics.
 
Bojji said:
It's not unique at all, there are many other games with stutters (Dead Space) and super heavy GPU requirements (like FFXVI). I agree with you that performance is trash (CPU requirements and stutters at least), it should have been fixed years ago. According to CDPR it's gonna be fixed soon but it will take ~2 years or more to see those improvements in games.

Still, results speak for themselves when it comes to quality of graphics.
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I just hope in the meantime everyone licenses Ubi's proprietary engine. VG and RTGI at 60fps on the Pro.
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rofif said:
vibe. That's enough to kill a game as we all well know these days.
it's dead or heavily compromised.
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Naughty Dog making a sci fi game with their technical prowess will be incredible. An action/adventure game reviewing in the 90's has never not sold incredibly well either. Just because anti-woke trolls on the internet came out to downvote the initial trailer doesn't mean it won't do well
 
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coachmcguirk91 said:
Naughty Dog making a sci fi game with their technical prowess will be incredible. An action/adventure game reviewing in the 90's has never not sold incredibly well either. Just because anti-woke trolls on the internet came out to downvote doesn't mean it won't do well
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It's not anti woke trolls. It's real.
Bruce starley and previously Amy Hennig were the heart of ND
 
rofif said:
It's not anti woke trolls. It's real.
Bruce starley and previously Amy Hennig were the heart of ND
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TLOU2 has the best combat, graphics, animation, and overall production of any ND game. Amy Hennig and Bruce Starley had nothing to do with it. You sound like people who said Leslie Benzies was the reason Rockstar Games was amazing. What have Hennig and Starley done since? Absolute lunacy, especially in the context this is a graphics thread
 
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rofif said:
vibe. That's enough to kill a game as we all well know these days.
it's dead or heavily compromised.
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Vibe? come on! what is this? are we behaving like women, based in feelings? The game is gonna rock based on the casting, the story idk because we barely know anything, the technical history from the studio and gameplay wise Naughty Dogg is fucking talented. Only one piece is missing and is knowing the whole story.
There is people that doesn't like Naughty Dog games and that is alright.
 
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rofif said:
It's not anti woke trolls. It's real.
Bruce starley and previously Amy Hennig were the heart of ND
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Bullshit, the whole Naughty Dog history is that all the team as a whole is the heart of Naughty Dog, they have a very strict hiring process and the people in there is very talented at their area of expertise, Gamedirectors depend on the whole team for a a game to come together were tenths of disciplines come together. Anthony Newman is a key member of ND nowadays, in all interviews of the team throughout the years you can tell, they are all very passionate about creating games.
 
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Bojji said:
Still Anvil I think. Before shadows AC games were underwhelming graphically. Shadows looks quite amazing so I wonder how next game (Hex?) will look like.
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That's the game with RTGI and VG at 60 on Pro (and 40 on base, which is nice). I don't thing there is something like that in Snowdrop. Too bad their games are shit because that tech feature should be chanted by DF every five minutes of their videos. Epic is way behind the curve there.
 
Yea, if Bruce and Amy Hennig were so great.. They would have left ND and created something great.

Instead.. Since they've left, one has done fuck all. And the other has had a cancelled game and one that screams vaporware.

The reality is they've both done fuck all since they left ND and Neil Druckmann.

Neil released TLOU 2 (GOAT), directed a TV series, and is writing and directing a New IP likely releasing in 2027. Thats 3X more productive than Bruce and Amy combined.

Theres also an unannounced game ND is working on, likely a PS6 title. So make it 4X.

Im not buying Bruce and Amy were better. How about one of them release a single game first before we come to such a conclusion :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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coachmcguirk91 said:
TLOU2 had the best combat, graphics, animation, and overall production of any ND game. Amy Hennig and Bruce Starley had nothing to do it. You sound like people who said Leslie Benzie was the reason Rockstar Games was amazing. What have Hennig and Starley done since? Absolute lunacy, especially in the context this is a graphics thread
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It does have the best graphics and combat. I don't disagreee
Yet it's uncharted 4 I replay each year, not tlou2. Neil went too far and too woke. He alienated his playerbase.

Matsuchezz said:
Vibe? come on! what is this? are we behaving like women, based in feelings? The game is gonna rock based on the casting, the story idk because we barely know anything, the technical history from the studio and gameplay wise Naughty Dogg is fucking talented. Only one piece is missing and is knowing the whole story.
There is people that doesn't like Naughty Dog games and that is alright.
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It's the truth. I will probably buy the game. I really liked tlou2 but with time, I grew to dislike it more than on release.
Look around the internet. People shit on intergalactic. It's heading towards forspoken direction where no matter what the game is, people already made up their minds.

Represent. said:
Yea, if Bruce and Amy Hennig were so great.. They would have left ND and created something great.

Instead.. Since they've left, one has done fuck all. And the other has had a cancelled game and one that screams vaporware.

The reality is they've both done fuck all since they left ND and Neil Druckmann.

Neil released TLOU 2 (GOAT), directed a TV series, and is writing and directing a New IP likely releasing in 2027. Thats 3X more productive than Bruce and Amy combined.

Theres also an unannounced game ND is working on, likely a PS6 title. So make it 4X.

Im not buying Bruce and Amy were better. How about one of them release a single game first before we come to such a conclusion :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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It's not a topic for this.
They left ND because of Neil amongst other things. It's not so easy to make your own fucking studio. Not everyone is kojima.
tlou2 is not goat. I thought so but it is not. He ruined it.

I am waiting for ND game with much anticipation like everyone else. believe me. But I dislike neil and parts of tlou2... even though I loved the game. Both can be possible at the same time
 
rofif said:
It's the truth. I will probably buy the game. I really liked tlou2 but with time, I grew to dislike it more than on release.
Look around the internet. People shit on intergalactic. It's heading towards forspoken direction where no matter what the game is, people already made up their minds.


It's not a topic for this.
They left ND because of Neil amongst other things. It's not so easy to make your own fucking studio. Not everyone is kojima.
tlou2 is not goat. I thought so but it is not. He ruined it.

I am waiting for ND game with much anticipation like everyone else. believe me. But I dislike neil and parts of tlou2... even though I loved the game. Both can be possible at the same time
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The internet is filled with assholes, I would not take the internet as a source for this kind of matter, the most loud voices of hate are the ones heard the most. But it is a handful of people, lots and lots of people were and are playing TLOU2 and loving it, some hate it and as everything that is ok, We are not all the same and have the same interests and what we consider good. I only see assholes behaving like little brats crying about Intergalactic MC is a bald black woman, and create stories in their heads about her personality based in a 2 min trailer. I could not careless about what people think, I play what i Like, and we have seen before that what these hate loud mouthpieces say/predict have not come to pass, like when they said that the TLOUP2 would flop and it didn't and went ahead to win hundreds of game awards. Based on quality not feelings.

Even you my friend with all the negatives you see in the TLOU2 you loved it. I am not saying the game is perfect, for me it's a bit too long, it outstays its welcome, but loved the quality in the game. Loved the characters, the acting is superb, I did not love the sex scene, that was unnecessary, a kissing scene fade to black would have been enough. But the Naughty Dog history of quality is enough to expect their next game eagerly regardless of what the haters say.
 
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Radical_3d said:
That's the game with RTGI and VG at 60 on Pro (and 40 on base, which is nice). I don't thing there is something like that in Snowdrop. Too bad their games are shit because that tech feature should be chanted by DF every five minutes of their videos. Epic is way behind the curve there.
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Snowdrop uses RTGI in both SW Outlaws and Avatar, the lighting in snowdrop is very good. I don't think they have a nanite type tech, at least in the games launched so far. Anvil looks good since AC shadows, but they're both good engines. I do think character rendering in ubisoft output this gen is quite weak though, not sure if that's an engine weakness in both or just ubisoft rushing their artists.
 
mrMUR_96 said:
Snowdrop uses RTGI in both SW Outlaws and Avatar, the lighting in snowdrop is very good. I don't think they have a nanite type tech, at least in the games launched so far. Anvil looks good since AC shadows, but they're both good engines. I do think character rendering in ubisoft output this gen is quite weak though, not sure if that's an engine weakness in both or just ubisoft rushing their artists.
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Snowdrop have virtual geometry tech like nanite I think they talk about it on one of avatar tech trailers
 
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mrMUR_96 said:
Snowdrop uses RTGI in both SW Outlaws and Avatar, the lighting in snowdrop is very good. I don't think they have a nanite type tech, at least in the games launched so far. Anvil looks good since AC shadows, but they're both good engines. I do think character rendering in ubisoft output this gen is quite weak though, not sure if that's an engine weakness in both or just ubisoft rushing their artists.
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Msamy said:
Snowdrop have virtual geometry tech like nanite I think they talk about it on one of avatar tech trailers
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AC: Shadows have virtualised geometry. Watch the Digital Foundry about it.
 
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