Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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There are tens of thousands of posts like this, possibly more. The cup of bitterness has overflowed.
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Yes and no.
No, because these are people celebrating someone being gunned down in front of hundreds of people with his wife and children in attendance for totally nonviolent speech. Not being skeptical of some MeToo accusations or being spuriously accused in such a way (very few of them actually turned out to be credible), not being pro-life or telling a racist joke 8 years ago. If you think back on the 2010s, that's largely what we're talking about. Not laughing and lying on a dead person.
Yes, because there is a non-insignificant number of people willing to say this shit, willing to rile up the other side. Are there that many people right now willing to actually act on this violent shit they're puffing hot air about? I doubt it, but there's zero way to know. What's the tolerance level of the right? Don't know that either, but it's probably quite high. What's more immediately concerning is that it only has so much left to resist being pulled into a more extreme direction of travel. Kirk was one person doing the resisting.
Case in point:
This guy works for an organization whose head has actually endorsed and welcomed works and personalities of actually avowed "Christian Nationalist"/ethno-nationalists. It's gotten to the point that even he has been disquieted by the rise of antisemitism on the right. Shoulda seen it coming.
Edit: Looks like Chamberlain deleted it, citing that it was a ragebait account. Makes perfect sense, but why didn't he assume that to be the case before? How did he get a link to a site he doesn't use, and a post that has zero likes or reposts?
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There were/are tens of thousands of people celebrating Kirk's death. There aren't tens of thousands of people posting about wanting Erika Kirk to the next.
And even at that, all this is a drop in the ocean compared to hundreds of millions of Americans.
The Russian disinformation bots usually start seizing on divisive stuff like this within hours of it happening. Won't be surprised if half of the posts on social media on this tragedy are now bot driven.
You know it's all Americans - from both sides - that will be 'finding out' if these schisms continue to grow?
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ResilientBanana
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yes. A group could download that list, dox those people and cross off names.
He's not wrong, every time trump is in office moral is in shambles. Bush wasn't like this.We profoundly forget this type of rhetoric,
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Yes, that's what I meant. These posts are bad enough, and now that they're starting to go after his family, enough is enough.
Don't blame it on Russia or Putin. These are real Americans with names, addresses, and professions. The United States doesn't need a big, scary Russia to finish them off, they're on a path to doing it themselves.
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I disagree. There the online version of America and there's the real version of America. The real version of America will be fine and all the crazy "terminally online" left lunatics will just shut up and go into "social hiding" and that will be that.
Granted, I live in rural / suburban areas and things are much calmer and civil out here. The cities might have some unrest for a bit but Trump already signaled and displayed he has no issue mobilizing the national guard to stop any illegal or violent protests.
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I don't know, man. It seems like every year there are major riots on the streets of American cities. They seem very real to me. Inflammatory political and hateful rhetoric from the media would have to stop overnight for things to improve. On both sides.
Don't both sides it. Only one side is doing the rioting. Also, even riots has slowed down since the BLM movement ended up being a fraud/scam.
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I know which side does the rioting. I was referring to the language used in the media and by politicians. While one side is far more guilty, the other is not innocent either. People need to unite.
We profoundly forget this type of rhetoric,
1. The fact you're highlighting this is a double standard, because Trump has made equally or even more fear-mongering statements in his rhetoric.
2. Starting with January 6, Trump has done several things that represent a threat to various rights and freedoms. Calling that out is entirely fair game.
3. Outside of his base, many people will not smile and cheer at Trump breaking norms, ignoring court orders, attacking judges and destroying institutions.
4. None of those statements you've highlighted is remotely on the same planet as celebrating what happened to Charlie Kirk or wishing him any harm.
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DeepEnigma
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Yes, because you are clearly unbothered and unreflective about Trump saying all sorts of vile shit, but have no stomach for anyone pushing back against him.
DeepEnigma
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Trump is the reigning champion of dehumanizing his opponents. Judging by a lot of reactions to current events, it's sadly very effective as a tactic.
He has previously and publicly dehumanized Muslims, immigrants, judges, elected politicians, trans people and a long list of folks who aren't his supporters.
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Barrier Island Dweller
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"Omg why are people celebrating a nazi's life?"
Because the majority of people don't consider him a Nazi? Like jfc the dude is being portrayed as a family man not a Nazi, the extreme vocal minority just doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of the world it feels like.
Because the majority of people don't consider him a Nazi? Like jfc the dude is being portrayed as a family man not a Nazi, the extreme vocal minority just doesn't live in the same reality as the rest of the world it feels like.
calico
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Condemning the assassination attempts against Trump after making it the de facto position of the Democratic party that he is a fascist / Nazi and repeating it ad nauseam on their puppet media for years is totally disingenuous.
If they really thought that, obviously they would support him being killed. They know it isn't true, but say it anyway to get him killed.
If Trump is a Nazi, then almost everyone who fought against the actual Nazis must be an ultra turbo Nazi by those standards. Take Trump's views/positions and place them in WW2 America and he would be a mile outside the Overton window in the 'progressive' direction. Applying the label to him is patently absurd, and the reason for doing it despite of it being absurd is obvious.
If they really thought that, obviously they would support him being killed. They know it isn't true, but say it anyway to get him killed.
If Trump is a Nazi, then almost everyone who fought against the actual Nazis must be an ultra turbo Nazi by those standards. Take Trump's views/positions and place them in WW2 America and he would be a mile outside the Overton window in the 'progressive' direction. Applying the label to him is patently absurd, and the reason for doing it despite of it being absurd is obvious.
Dr.Morris79
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..And yet, quite a few of those are not exactly bastions of virtue either
Mistake
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I honestly don't blame him for not caring about people who hate him. After everything he went through, I actually think he's being rather tame. Yet the guy was super respectful when RBG died. You know who wasn't? The shrieking harpies outside her casket. Same with the people who didn't stand for a kid with cancer, or who groan over a moment of silence for charlie. It's pretty obvious where things are at right now
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Punished Miku
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He really does. Both short sentences.You got it, dude!
DeepEnigma
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Period.
People on the other side of the aisle would tend to hate Trump a lot less if he hadn't been stimulating and fueling a wave of hate towards his opponents during his three separate presidential campaigns. Hell, a significant part of his path to political prominence was built by him propping up a racist lie against Obama. What was the excuse for that, I wonder?
Even beyond that whole ugly episode, it's not like he was all about calling for peace, love, unity and against division, until everything totally changed the day he was first shot...no, that would be rewriting history.
There's nothing respectful about saying kind words towards RBG as a person yet trampling on her dying wish and rushing through a nomination at any cost, for the sake of gathering more power (although I suppose it's ironic that ACB, while still a conservative, has at least occasionally ruled against Trump and gotten nasty heat from his supporters, who have called her a "traitor" for doing so).
Honestly, if the dude had just accepted his defeat in 2020 with dignity, instead of with lies and denial, the political mood would be 50% less toxic.
This is a fallacy. One can argue that someone's actions are authoritarian or similar to fascist methods without equating that to a call for assassination.
Otherwise, whenever Trump or his colleagues have openly called someone a communist, a terrorist or worse, then....what exactly is that implying?
Then again, the hypocrisy of Trump calling out the "weaponization" of justice only to turn around and literally start doing that even harder is rather notorious.
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Null Persp
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Now they are attacking the wife, they are never satisfied.
Lokaum D+
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yeah, on the make believe world of the left he was.
ParaSeoul
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Apparently his grandmother said he was
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Well its true. If what you want is civility, decency, acknowledgment of humanity, Trump and REEE have done more to destroy that than anyone. I am definitely left wing, but called out left cancel culture nonstop right from the very very start. Nothing is called out on the right, its cheered on. Not on social media but in the white house.
You guys literally can't even call out that it was bad to not acknowledge that he lost the election. Again, that is literally the bedrock of the entire concept of peace in the country. It will never go away. No one can cry if they dislike being called a fascist because they aren't even acknowledging elections. That is deeply fascist and it goes way past that but no point getting into all that. Cant concede any elections? Massive, massive fascist. Maybe concede an election if you don't like it.
Are we now entering an era of civility? Sure let's do it. You guys have a lot of work to do. The extreme psycho REE types have a lot of work to do. Milquetoast mainstream democrats don't. They're civil and polite almost to a fault.
Don Jr and Kirk and Trump and tons of others all joke about assassination attempts, and we had politicians murdered in Minnesota this year. If you want to get anywhere it will have to include an honest look at the big picture. Or just go as hard as you can into cancel culture and triple down on all of it like a hypocrite.
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my grandmother call me Bob even if i said to her that i m now Jeniffer, go figure.
Mr Reasonable
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You guys who are spending your time searching for people who are saying things you don't like ought to consider if it's a good use of your time. You've got to at least wonder if you're being played, either by the people serving you this stuff and wanting you to be angry, or by the people who are successfully triggering you by saying things they expect will trigger you.
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calico
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One can. Shame there was no such attempt at qualification.
'Saying an election is rigged makes you a fascist' is an odd definition, and would make an awful lot of Democrat politicians 'fascists'.
Mistake
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Trump wouldn't have ran if it weren't for Obama at a dinner party. So blame him. Also, I think you miss the entire point of Trump's existence. But this thread isn't about him, it's about Charlie. The celebrations over his death aren't making the dems look good at all, let's leave it at that
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Dr.Morris79
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What. The. Fuck..
Mr Moose
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As long as it's not doxxing their home and families, just their workplace so people can voice their disgust to scums employers.
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ParaSeoul
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Sorry for the misunderstanding, Jenny.
Freelance Yakuza
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Did Obama force Trump to make up nonsensical bullshit about a birth certificate? I don't think so. Then again....it worked, so those lies were rewarded.
There's been so many tangents brought up in this thread, because the topic itself has a lot of vectors pointing in all directions.
Barrier Island Dweller
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Idk….that just sounds like letting people get away with trying to normalize being foul human beings when someone dies.
Fuck normalizing that shit. We didn't grow up celebrating people's deaths and making an ass out of ourselves.
The high and mighty bullshit going on here, let's not act like some of the people spouting that nonsense here are only doing so because they didn't toe the lunacy line enough for the purple site and got banned.
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Banjo64
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Only Rosie O'Donnell.
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clem84
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I think we can infer that Shapiro's reasoning is that he's basically 99% sure this person was from a left-wing ideology, but still not 100%. Maybe he should've been more cautious with his words.
Signalis
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People on the left are doing their best to spread misinformation. Let me make it clear. Raised conservative, raised Christian. Renounced his beliefs, hated conservatives, became hateful, his friends are antifa and he supported antifa. Pretty simple. The left shit cunts and trying to absolve themselves. Don't let them. He was leftist and antifa supporter. FBI has all his discord messages with his friends etc. etc.
ChuckeRearmed
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Going through that resetera thread....Yeah, some people belong to asylums.
Liberals and Biden administration has been doing that for years. Not to mention on BlueSky they were literally compiling lists of people they wanted to cancel.
People have to understand that whatever conservatives are doing right now is minor to what the democrats have been doing over the last 10+ years.
Liberals and Biden administration has been doing that for years. Not to mention on BlueSky they were literally compiling lists of people they wanted to cancel.
People have to understand that whatever conservatives are doing right now is minor to what the democrats have been doing over the last 10+ years.
Transpeople are just brainwashed folks. At this point they are basically a militant wing of a left wing ideology. I have yet to find a transgender person that does not have weird desire to take photos in women's bathroom, groom kids or make their own problems into other people's problems. The idea that a kid of 6 years old who cannot even state what he wants is able to know whether he is a girl or a boy is nonsense.
To be fair thtese groups are doing their best to dehumanize themselves...
Because it looks more and more like Trump was right and he did not lose the election. Biden won some states with like 20k+ votes and with 100k+ fraudelent number ballots floating around now it is highly likely that they were cheating.
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Punished Miku
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What does this even mean? I got banned for speaking up against cancel culture, extremist PC and feminist BS here numerous times until I was permed. Anyone with an old account here (unless it got reinstated) saw how insane it got, saw the insane mods and decide to just keep quiet. I didnt. Banned for the same thing at Kotaku, REEE, and tons of others sites. Opened another account here when the moderation changed back to normal. One of the founding principles was being against cancel culture. Not zero moderation, but being against cancel culture and excessive and extreme politics on the right or left.
The next big forum purge was after Jan 6th. I was one of the only active political posters here on the left. Less than 10. It wasn't popular on here to criticize it but I did before it happened. Lots of people got permed for that day and like I brought up, people still can't even acknowledge an election but want to cry about being called fascists and make cancel culture lists about it. Its absurd.
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How can you 'make it clear' when you're projecting your own opinions as factual information?
And the FBI has exclusively disclosed these messages to you?
Signalis
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Here is another one:
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said one of Tyler Robinson's family members told investigators Tyler had become more political in recent years. The family member said at a recent dinner, Robinson and a second relative discussed Kirk's coming outdoor event on the Utah Valley campus in Orem.
"They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had," Cox, a Republican, said at a news briefing Friday.
"It's very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," Cox added in an interview with the Journal.
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said one of Tyler Robinson's family members told investigators Tyler had become more political in recent years. The family member said at a recent dinner, Robinson and a second relative discussed Kirk's coming outdoor event on the Utah Valley campus in Orem.
"They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had," Cox, a Republican, said at a news briefing Friday.
"It's very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," Cox added in an interview with the Journal.