RustyNails
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How sure are you? Because you are making a very generalized statement based on your ill-founded assumptions.
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Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell, Rape Victim Says
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Lol what? Your avatar might need new glasses if you think people are only defending Clinton because she's a Democrat. She's a lawyer who did her job; what's the big deal?
EDIT: And let me clarify; I have sympathy for the victim, but it was the criminal's actions that are deplorable. He shouldn't have done what he did and the prosecutor should've made sure all the evidence was on the table.
So as a defence attorney you absolutely cannot defend your client if in 30 years you become a politician?
Btw, I'd say the same thing if it was Mitt Romney but as political dirt goes, doing his job would be pretty tame stuff dont you think?
This is so ignorant, I can't even. Yeah I sympathize with the victim but if you had things your way what's the point of even having a trial in many cases? The point of the justice system is to give the accused the fair chance to defend themselves. Making the defense attorney a criminal for defending a criminal is ass backwards
Trent Strong
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I wasn't making a generalized statement. When I said "I'm sure everyone in this thread who's defending Clinton would also defend Romney" I was being sarcastic. My point was that some of the people who are defending Clinton wouldn't defend Romney. If you think her being a prominent democrat has nothing to do with her being so vigorously defended on GAF, you're living in a fantasy world.
I don't buy the "just doing her job" defense. And she certainly didn't need to joke about it after (assuming that part is true).
Aaron Strife
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How old are you, exactly?
That's a generalized statement if I ever saw one
Honestly I have no particular allegiance to Hillary Clinton and I find the American trend towards family based aristocracies disturbing to say the least given the principles this country was founded upon. However the rule of law in this and most countries is based on precisely this kind of advocacy. Imbalanced and disgusting as the results often are it is absolutely necessary to this country's morality. And so Clinton with her zealous advocacy for her client is absolutely moral and absolutely righteous in her behavior and actions.
So while I hope that the Democrats come up with another unexpectedly young and perhaps better candidate than Obama, it's pretty safe bet to say that she with all her flaws and faults is going to be better than the shit show presented by the Republicans.
And I hope it's a woman.
So while I hope that the Democrats come up with another unexpectedly young and perhaps better candidate than Obama, it's pretty safe bet to say that she with all her flaws and faults is going to be better than the shit show presented by the Republicans.
And I hope it's a woman.
CadetMahoney
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No the American Prison system heavily tips in favor of getting ppl into prisons, especially private for-profit ones.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1008603/pg11#pid17831916
States pay a fine if they cannot fill beds. When a state gives in to privatization of a prison system to a corporation, that the fine print in the contract DEMANDS that a percentage of beds have to be filled OR the STATE pays a penalty!
Looking at it for face value, a defense attorney won the case they were hired to take for their client following the consitution.
Everyone has the right to representation.
Her case was unfortunate as it was to defend a man accused of raping a twelve year old girl.
If there's an issue(which there are several) with the current legal system, that is an entirely different conversation.
As jobs go though, to win a case is exactly an attorneys job.
Democrat or Republican.
I'm pretty sure most of liberal-GAF are not big fans of Clinton...And I also think pretty much anybody here would also defend any Republican in the same scenario for just doing their job as a defense attorney.
Also, what do you mean "you don't buy" the defense that she's just doing her job? Are you disputing the fact that it is in fact the job of a defense attorney to...defend their client? I agree that making light of the situation and joking afterwards is insensitive at best (I find it pretty disgusting), if true, and maybe deserves some criticism. At the same time, it was 40 years ago.
Devolution
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Can't even talk about someone without people generalizing the whole bunch with "you're just okay with what she did because she's a Dem."
She's a corporatist warmongering sellout so no I'm plenty sure a lot of people aren't real happy to be defending her one iota.
She's a corporatist warmongering sellout so no I'm plenty sure a lot of people aren't real happy to be defending her one iota.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
So much the better for Sundown's world, then!
But I'm not persuaded the quotas have the effect you seem to believe they have. If there's no difference in the cost to the state between a full private prison and an empty private prison (after penalties), then it would still make financial sense for the state to leave the private prison empty rather than shell out even more money to needlessly prosecute someone and send them to the private prison.
EDIT: In fact, having a quota in place removes the incentive from the prison operator to have laws that result in higher prison occupancy--they get paid one way or the other, but with "the other" way, they don't have the expenses of housing as many prisoners. But under an approach without quotas, while it's still to the state's financial advantage to have as few prisoners as possible, the prison operator has an incentive to have as many prisoners as possible--which means they may lobby for more strict criminal laws or lengthier minimum sentences.
Lol. Realistically? Hillary Clinton could probably kill someone and still have a great shot at becoming President. I'm dead serious.
I want to monger something some day.
Keep in mind there's also been instances of for-profit prison owners bribing judges to give people longer/harsher sentences just to fill the prisons and make more money. That's why for-profit prisons are bad, at their very core they lead to a corruption of our justice system.
Conciliator
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i don't really care about Hillary Clinton but I'm confident that any person who is a trial lawyer for any significant period of time will have some fucked cases behind them. I couldn't be a trial lawyer, but that's the way the system works and it works that way for a reason. Sometimes you end up defending someone who is guilty. I'd have to hear the tapes to decide how douchey she was about it.
Yeah, but defending them to a plea bargain? Seems kinda... low.
In all honesty, if the crime-lab fucked up: She's completely in the clear to say they had no evidence/case to prove it. The crime-lab can say "Yes, it's a slam-dunk case against him" to the prosecutor, but if the evidence/samples aren't there to show it, the jury can't see it/prosecution can't make a case with it.
Really, the crime-lab fucked up the justice than Hillary did. Though Hillary's "crime" in this is being so cavalier about the entire thing. "Oh, yeah. He was guilty but (laughs) what can you do if you don't have the evidence! (laughs)"
Spaking of evidence, what's your evidence for the last paragraph?
dr3upmushroom
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Damn, some callous responses in here.
Goes to show that being scummy is part of the job for lawyers. :/
Goes to show that being scummy is part of the job for lawyers. :/
endresults
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They're going to be voting for her in '16, so might as well boot up the cognitive dissonance now.
Sometimes I wonder why people seem to make the connection between power hunger and caring for other people. I mean the people always are like "OMG, He/She always acted completely for her/his own ends and cold-bloodedly backstabbed even friends to climb their ladder to power. I bet this person will make our peoples life so much better if we vote/let him/her to become Dear Surpreme President God Emperor of Corruptistan because they wouldn't want to claim this position for purely egomanical reasons, wouldn't they?
Catchpenny
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The fact that this came out on a Friday tells me the Republicans don't think it'll hold much water.
It'll get a little buzz this weekend and early next week, partisans will say partisan things, and that'll be it. Then Republicans will add this to the list of things that THE LIBERAL MEDIA doesn't want you to know about.
It'll get a little buzz this weekend and early next week, partisans will say partisan things, and that'll be it. Then Republicans will add this to the list of things that THE LIBERAL MEDIA doesn't want you to know about.
And yet nothing scummy was done. Funny how that works.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Hehe, almost the exact opposite.
It's going to have the exact opposite effect. You already have the Democrats chomping at the bit to have Hilary run for 2016. Throw in the sympathy factor of an oppressive Republican party trying to smear the good name of a woman who was wife to a president who got impeached for cheating on her? My God, the ratings for Clinton will reach the stratosphere.
It must really suck, starting out as a young idealist, and then little by little watching your personal do not cross line moving a bit further away case by case.
Americans want whatever suits their needs best at any given time.
When you are on a forum its quite easy to stick to your moral lines. If something happens and you find yourself in court on serious charges I highly doubt anyone is going to tell their lawyer 'Please don't cross any moral or ethical lines you may have just for me"
I doubt we will ever get closure on this issue. If Clinton did make those remarks, I doubt her campaign will ever allow tapes to be leaked. If she didn't, then I doubt her campaign will acknowledge this criticism.
I'm anything but an expert, but I doubt that kind of bragging is rare among attorneys. Besides, it's most likely that the defendant(s?) never admitted to anything, but Clinton believed they were guilty.
I'm anything but an expert, but I doubt that kind of bragging is rare among attorneys. Besides, it's most likely that the defendant(s?) never admitted to anything, but Clinton believed they were guilty.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
StopMakingSense
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The vast majority of criminal cases are plead out before trial.
I do understand the outcry at her allegedly making light of a rape case, but I don't believe that she was laughing at the rape victim. She may have simply been proud of her own prowess in the court. It's not something commendable, but I don't think that you can(reasonably) rake her over the coals for being proud of doing her job.
You Are Viewtiful
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Gosh even playing Phoenix Wright 1 would fix up a lot of the naïveté in this thread.
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I'm not going to say that I disagree with you 100% with the heart of this reasoning, but since nobody would realistically say "Yup, you totally called me out on my double standards!" this is a pointless argument to try and have with anyone.
Well I am no legal expert, but from what I can tell it sounds like the victim is blaming the wrong person here. Based on what Clinton said in that tape it sounds like it was the prosecutors who got the guy off on a light sentence by fucking up their major piece of evidence(the underwear). The rest of it just sounds like a defense attorney trying to do her job.
SporeCrawler
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i dont know its an defenders job to be partial and to try to get the best deal for the prosecuted, even if he is guilty. i dont like how it was done by her (by discrediting a small girl) but its the prosecutors job then to discredit the defender.
BouncyFrag
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I recently stopped following politics (as well as most of the news in general) after years of close attention. One of the bet decisions I've ever made.
This. I searched pages just to see if anyone was going to mention it... heh
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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I am going to assume that a lot of people here don't have much experience in the legal industry.
While i do believe she was inappropriate, you got to understand, especially as a court appointed defense attorney, you see some fucked up shit.
You don't get emotionally invested. You stay disconnected and you do your job. It's personally the only way i would be able to do criminal defense work and it's exactly how many see it also. So while i do think her tone is a bit inappropriate, it really business.
I've seen some fucked up shit working in a torts firm for the last 7 years and sometimes you say some inappropriate shit. It just comes with the industry.
Just my two cents.
While i do believe she was inappropriate, you got to understand, especially as a court appointed defense attorney, you see some fucked up shit.
You don't get emotionally invested. You stay disconnected and you do your job. It's personally the only way i would be able to do criminal defense work and it's exactly how many see it also. So while i do think her tone is a bit inappropriate, it really business.
I've seen some fucked up shit working in a torts firm for the last 7 years and sometimes you say some inappropriate shit. It just comes with the industry.
Just my two cents.
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teruterubozu
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The thing with Hillary is if you hate her, NOTHING will change your mind. That's why she sucks as a candidate, IMO.
In a heartbeat.
In a heartbeat.
Vyse The Legend
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Yes, this is what defense lawyers do.
No, it doesn't make it right or justifiable.
People who admit their guilt don't deserve a defense.
No, it doesn't make it right or justifiable.
People who admit their guilt don't deserve a defense.
Yeah. The ''just doing their job'' defense isn't working as well in the telemarketers thread, and all they do is annoy people.
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