007 SPECTRE |OT| It's me, Austin. It was me all along, Austin.
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TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
For context, what do you consider to be the best Bond film?
Joel Was Right
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Do Bond films have their own sub-genre? I can say Casino Royale is easily in the Top 10 films I've seen in recent memory. Shouldn't we judge a film based on what it is trying to do?
Bobby Roberts
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That the post was authored by Chinner is all the context you need, really.
OriginalThinking
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He's taking the piss. Just back from an IMAX showing. I'll need a second viewing to see if it holds up, but imo the second best Bond of the Craig era. Behind Casino Royale of course.
Dabookerman
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Yeah. Casino Royale is still the utter pinnacle.
I did love the bond theme sequence though. It was like one of my Japanese anime!
I did love the bond theme sequence though. It was like one of my Japanese anime!
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Oh you
Just got back and it was an OK movie.
Not stellar in any shape or form, it all just feels really perfunctory. And tropey.
Waltz is really,really wasted and the denouement feels like budget compromises had to be made. The shoehorning in of all of Bonds other films villains felt tacky.
Daniel Craig looks like his had enough. If I was Broccoli and Wilson I'd see this as a send off for him and get a new Bond in. As this one seemed to close off all the loose ends.
Will probably write some more tomorrow.
Oh the title sequence was really good and the Sam Smith song works much more better in the context of the opening.
EDIT: Oh and Bond is even more rapey in this one. TBH Bond is really creepy when we peel back the glamour and tuxedos.
Not stellar in any shape or form, it all just feels really perfunctory. And tropey.
Waltz is really,really wasted and the denouement feels like budget compromises had to be made. The shoehorning in of all of Bonds other films villains felt tacky.
Daniel Craig looks like his had enough. If I was Broccoli and Wilson I'd see this as a send off for him and get a new Bond in. As this one seemed to close off all the loose ends.
Will probably write some more tomorrow.
Oh the title sequence was really good and the Sam Smith song works much more better in the context of the opening.
EDIT: Oh and Bond is even more rapey in this one. TBH Bond is really creepy when we peel back the glamour and tuxedos.
Will you pay for people not to see it?
Easily the worst film I've seen in a long time.
Terrible FX, terrible dialogue, lots of boring parts, clichéd, awful music, just dumb.
Complete waste of time. It's like Avengers. Just a cookie cutter blockbuster with explosions and loud music.
edit: the train scene was great, and the last 15-20 minutes were pretty good. The
was pretty tense too. Some people sitting next to me actually walked out lol
Terrible FX, terrible dialogue, lots of boring parts, clichéd, awful music, just dumb.
Complete waste of time. It's like Avengers. Just a cookie cutter blockbuster with explosions and loud music.
edit: the train scene was great, and the last 15-20 minutes were pretty good. The
brain thing
Magnetic_North
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Just saw it 6/10
It's okay I didnt love it but I don't hate it
The film just sorta happened and I went along with it... The film dragged a bit as well
Some of the twist though was stupid and was literally written in just for this film
Also I hope this is the last of the Craig era bond films
It's okay I didnt love it but I don't hate it
The film just sorta happened and I went along with it... The film dragged a bit as well
Some of the twist though was stupid and was literally written in just for this film
Also I hope this is the last of the Craig era bond films
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
Yes, but when someone says it's the worst Bond film ever, and then say something like "Die Another Day" was the best, then I know to disregard their opinion.
I'm scared now, I really want this movie to be good but man. So this is much worse then all the other craig films?
Bobby Roberts
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Chinner is a joke poster. You can discard that one.
There appears to be more positive reactions in the thread than negative ones, with the OP himself one of the more glowing (and he was kinda skeptical, I believe, going into it)
krameriffic
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When he was smashing Bond's head I was expecting a squishing sound a la Game of Thrones.
s_mirage
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Well, I enjoyed it. The antagonist was a little weakly set up in my opinion, but it was a pretty good Bond flick. Way better than Quantum of Solace.
Huh? Written for this film, as opposed to...some other film?
APZonerunner
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What he means, I presume, is that the film trades a lot on Casino Royale, Skyfall, and to a lesser extent Quantum, retconning in a lot of stuff and saying all those events were ACTUALLY part of a greater machine in Spectre. The problem with that is... well, it doesn't make sense, and actually risks cheapening those films and their antagonists also.
Wasn't that already part of those movies' plots though? Maybe including Skyfall as part of that is new, but the events in Casino and QoS were already established as put in motion by a larger behind-the-scenes organization (
originally Quantum, now I suppose retconned as ultimately SPECTRE, which Quantum is just one part of?
I have not rewatched Skyfall since I've watched in the cinemas, so I'll reserved judgement on that question, but I did like Quantum of Solace more the Casino Royale (which I think most people rank higher than Skyfall).There is a lot more now than when QoS came out. I remember terms like "worst Bond film ever" when it came out. Some quotes just from this page re: QoS.
I can understand people not thinking Skyfall was the best Bond, but QoS better than it?
Agreed. At one point even he says "My Names Bond. James Bond".
Didn't he say that in another film? So fucking lazy - can't believe they're resorting to stealing dialogue from older films
Which is exactly what is does. Their is a scene where Waltz actually has
all the characters from previous films posted up on a wall in these cells on bits of cheap A4 paper It's such a stupid thing as Bond is obviously aware who his killed and who his lost.
The last 25 mins really feel scrapped together.
The last 25 mins really feel scrapped together.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Stop
I had almost no hype, but despite vehemently disliking some parts, I liked it a lot. It's not a masterpiece by any sense of the word but it succeeds as being an effective Bond film in almost every regard.
If you are expecting something along the lines of Licence to Kill or Casino Royale, you aren't going to be best pleased which is I presume why there is so much negativity surrounding it here.
The best way I can sum this film up is that it is Daniel Craig's The Spy Who Loved Me. It's excessive, its over the top but its classic Bond. Is classic Bond a bad thing? Well, that depends on your viewpoint. It's the most "classic" Bond Craig has done so far.
I will write a full breakdown of my thoughts later tonight.
Star Falcon
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Film wasn't bad, but definitely weaker than Casino Royale & Skyfall.
Pro's:
Cast & Acting was solid
Locations were really nice
Scene at the SPECTRE meeting
Con's:
Shoehorned too much nostalgia in
Soundtrack (not including the opening song) was really weak
Action scenes were fairly tame
As a Bond fan I'd probably give it a 7/10, fits the same tier as the likes of Living Daylights and View to a Kill in that they are enjoyable enough, but not something you walk away thinking 'that was a really good film'.
Pro's:
Cast & Acting was solid
Locations were really nice
Scene at the SPECTRE meeting
Con's:
Shoehorned too much nostalgia in
Soundtrack (not including the opening song) was really weak
Action scenes were fairly tame
As a Bond fan I'd probably give it a 7/10, fits the same tier as the likes of Living Daylights and View to a Kill in that they are enjoyable enough, but not something you walk away thinking 'that was a really good film'.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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I think Spectre is a heavily flawed film and the sad thing is it could have been a decent bit better but a lot of poor decisions were made. I thought Quantum of Solace was awful, I'd have to rewatch it to decide whether Spectre is worse than it or not but I think QoS at least had a better plot even if it was messy and not great as well.
EarsOfASnake
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Very much so and turns out I don't really enjoy those films so much anymore. I was disappointed with the film, probably my least favourite of the Craig era, be interesting to see where they take the next film.
That actually may be the first time I've seen that opinion.
Boombloxer
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Yea, I can't say I hold any love for QoS. Terrible.
Joel Was Right
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One thing that continues to disappoint is why they continue to portray these Bond girls as nothing more than bedsheets. Outside of Vesper, there is zero character development or interesting dialogue. Yes, that's generally how it goes with Bond but it sticks out sharply to a modern audience.
They are there to do nothing but swing hips and bat eye-lashes. And boom, he's in bed with them that fast. Hardly any time for flirting or chemistry. You go into these films expecting it, but they always manage to catch you out in terms of just how sudden and random it is.
It reminds me of a male fragrance advert where the male model is suddenly embraced by a beautiful woman. But at least with that there is context (the fragrance). Here, there is no context. It saps the life out of any drama or tension and betrays the character arc that has been developing with him.
I will say one positive about this though: the writers are aware of the contrast between Vesper and the "other" women. I'll leave it at that.
They are there to do nothing but swing hips and bat eye-lashes. And boom, he's in bed with them that fast. Hardly any time for flirting or chemistry. You go into these films expecting it, but they always manage to catch you out in terms of just how sudden and random it is.
It reminds me of a male fragrance advert where the male model is suddenly embraced by a beautiful woman. But at least with that there is context (the fragrance). Here, there is no context. It saps the life out of any drama or tension and betrays the character arc that has been developing with him.
I will say one positive about this though: the writers are aware of the contrast between Vesper and the "other" women. I'll leave it at that.
obin_gam
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I love both of those, so are you saying I will enjoy Spectre more now?
It's my current #1.
Nov. 6
For a second there I thought you were talking about Living Daylights and I nearly beat you to death with your own shoes.
You don't know how close you came to being beaten to death with your own shoes.
This close.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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The Living Daylights is a Top 5 Bond for me.
I am hoping the person who said License to Kill got the titles wrong.
Exterminieren
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I'm so glad that Bond can be Bond again, rather than having to cling on to Bourne's coattails.
Yep.
It's great. Bond is back to the era of scarred Persian cat stroking villains, elaborate traps, humour, crazy action, badass henchmen and serial womanising.
It's nice to have this era of bond back, if only for a bit. Because that's what Spectre is.
Stiflers Mom
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If we are lucky, we also get invisible cars, laser weapons in space, melting ice palaces and Bond surfing on a tsunami again...
Wouldn't that be a great finale for Craigs run as Bond.
The Elite
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Hype rising.
I quite like that they at least tidied up loose ends from QoS, even if it wasn't very elegantly done (now they can forget QoS existed).
About on par with Skyfall for me, elevated perhaps by the fact that they couldn't kill off Judi Dench in this (the bastards, best M). Very much ticking the "this should be in a Bond film" boxes, much like Skyfall (I was pleased that the gadgets were fairly sensible, they seemed to be hyped to all hell by some people I'd been speaking to).
Lacked the visual flair of Skyfall.
To re-cap:
* Léa Seydoux is goregous
* The DB10 isn't a pretty car
About on par with Skyfall for me, elevated perhaps by the fact that they couldn't kill off Judi Dench in this (the bastards, best M). Very much ticking the "this should be in a Bond film" boxes, much like Skyfall (I was pleased that the gadgets were fairly sensible, they seemed to be hyped to all hell by some people I'd been speaking to).
Lacked the visual flair of Skyfall.
To re-cap:
* Léa Seydoux is goregous
* The DB10 isn't a pretty car
kunonabi
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I wouldn't mind a tradition where every Bond going forward is forced to do a Moore style film to end their run.
I didn't get the titles wrong. It is currently my #1 but I have yet to watch about 6 of the Bond movies. All of them are Roger Moore though. But seeing as I have only seen License to Kill once, it may very well go down the list on repeat watching.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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More like pure Anthony Yerkovich.
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