Miggytronz
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not shocked to be honest.
What a joke, 1 in 4? Wow......haven't taken a prescription medication in 10 years, healthy as ever. Glad I'm not part of a medicated nation.
I honestly wish I could see the pharmaceutical marketing strategy for expanding into the remaining portion of this market, you just know that they have one.
Profitable drugs, one that allow for "expansion," actually tend to be ones that address conditions whose treatment isn't a matter of life and death, like Viagra.
What a joke, 1 in 4? Wow......haven't taken a prescription medication in 10 years, healthy as ever. Glad I'm not part of a medicated nation.
How did we get by without cough syrup? How did we get by without allergy medication? How did we get by without indigestion medication? We just had a harder time. I don't see why something being a prescription means we are utterly dependent upon it to be psychologically healthy. Yet even if some people are, why would that be a problem? Would you ask why we wear eyeglasses and shoes when we went so long without them?how did we ever get by before this enlightenment about medication?
Congratulations, you learned that your anxiety was conditional. But please explain to me how this confirms that all anxiety is a conditional issue rather than a medical issue?I say all this with a first hand understanding of how this works. I had serious anxiety problems years ago, and of course anyone would have given me a pill immediately if I had just said the word. I told them I didn't want to get on drugs, and guess what? I educated myself extensively on anxiety and how it works, learning the ins and outs of it. Today I'm fine, and I no longer fear anxiety because I know it like the back of my hand. That insulates it from returning, because I already know the game. The person on the drug doesn't know how it works, or hasn't walked themselves out of it, so they're much more likely to be a victim of it again, even on the drugs.
After you start seeing cartoon commercials for antidepressants you know the market is pretty big.
Why do so many people seem perfectly fine with all of this right up until the point it has to do with the part of our body that affects emotions and cognitive focus?
Congratulations, you learned that your anxiety was conditional. But please explain to me how this confirms that all anxiety is a conditional issue rather than a medical issue?
I was royally slammed at a previous forum I used to go to for suggesting doctors were too fast and loose with prescribing drugs for psychological purposes. Looks like the studies back me up, however.
1) This number seems a little too pat. 1 in 4? Guys, think about all the women you know. Are 25% on medication? Really? In particular, think about all the women in America who don't even have health insurance. They aren't taking Xanax or whatever. I don't trust this statistic at all.
2) In my family, I only have personal enough knowledge of my two sisters, my mother and my grandmother to be certain whether or not they are taking psychiatric medication. I and my youngest sister are both taking psychiatric meds. This matches the 1 in 4 statistic. However, the only one of us who is WELL is my OTHER sister. My mother AND my grandmother should be on meds as well. My grandmother's closest sister was an untreated schizophrenic. My grandmother and mother have extremely maladaptive anxiety and depression problems issues, and may in fact hallucinate. So like, if everyone's got a schizophrenic in their family and sees things that aren't there without their meds, then I am totally okay with 1 in 4 people being on meds.
Non-medical. Circumstances that can change, unhealthy habits in lifestyle, ways you are choosing to think about something."conditional"? Please explain.
Non-medical. Circumstances that can change, unhealthy habits in lifestyle, ways you are choosing to think about something.
How did we get by without cough syrup? How did we get by without allergy medication? How did we get by without indigestion medication? We just had a harder time. I don't see why something being a prescription means we are utterly dependent upon it to be psychologically healthy. Yet even if some people are, why would that be a problem? Would you ask why we wear eyeglasses and shoes when we went so long without them?
There is this great thing about humanity where we can realize our weaknesses and come up with ways of countering them. Why do so many people seem perfectly fine with all of this right up until the point it has to do with the part of our body that affects emotions and cognitive focus? Why would we inherently have any more power over the function of our brain than of our kidneys? It's true that like anything in our body there are lifestyle choices you can make to try and optimize how well they function, but that does not make them beyond illness, and non-medicinal methods of treatment do not invalidate medicinal treatment.
Congratulations, you learned that your anxiety was conditional. But please explain to me how this confirms that all anxiety is a conditional issue rather than a medical issue?
No. Now you're making assumptions yourself. I've been anxious my entire life. Even as a kid I had serious anxiety problems.
At certain times in my life they flared up out of control though, and wreaked havoc on my life. The worst was in 2009 though, and I literally thought I was losing my mind for a period of months.
I read a book by Claire Weekes, who was a brilliant doctor on the topic, and educated myself thoroughly. 3 years later I'm still the same person, but I've learned how to handle anxious thoughts, and my fear of anxiety is essentially gone.
You're never going to rewire your brain. You're either going to take medications that numb you to a point where you don't care, or you're going to educate yourself enough that you no longer fear the anxious thoughts when they come.
Just to be very clear, serious depression and psychological disorders are different from anxiety. I'm perfectly fine with a suicidal person taking meds. I'm perfectly fine with a person who thinks their refrigerator is talking to them taking meds.
I'm not totally clear on the point you're making here, but your sample of a handful of people could not be more irrelevant to the discussion of the validity of the study.
Congratulations! You're healthy! I bet you feel like a much better person than people who aren't.
Profitable drugs, one that allow for "expansion," actually tend to be ones that address conditions whose treatment isn't a matter of life and death, like Viagra.
Well how about this. For my entire life I have been known as a very self-managed person. Someone who knows the ins and outs of their emotions and knows how to control them, sort through them, and resolve them. I was a minister for over a decade, and I knew very well that most people didn't have "spiritual" issues but just needed some counseling, and I showed them how to handle things.I read a book by Claire Weekes, who was a brilliant doctor on the topic, and educated myself thoroughly. 3 years later I'm still the same person, but I've learned how to handle anxious thoughts, and my fear of anxiety is essentially gone.
You're never going to rewire your brain. You're either going to take medications that numb you to a point where you don't care, or you're going to educate yourself enough that you no longer fear the anxious thoughts when they come.
Are you assuming that it is impossible that it could be on such a scale? If so, what is your basis for doing so? The brain is a physical organ, so it is a physical issue. If we were to gain perfect understanding and control of the brain, then we would be in a position of options. There would be a capacity we can control it without outside assistance, a capacity that would require outside assistance, and a great deal of overlap. Such is the case with all medicine.You really think you should bundle in mental and physical conditions like that?
because the subjectivity of mental conditions is what has allowed this to boom into such a huge business. It's pretty dumb to trivialize it by putting it on the same level as OTC meds for basic physical problems.
How do you gauge that likeliness when you yourself admit that we don't have a clear understanding of how the brain functions? All I am saying is that with many medical advances, we have found that a very large portion of humanity can be helped by them, and psychological issues may well be the same. That doesn't mean any of such widely applied medical advances are absolutely needed, but absolute necessity is not how we treat medical assistance. If we can do better, why not?I'm not saying there is no such thing as mental illness, we're talking about the statistic in the OP and what it likely indicates.
No. Now you're making assumptions yourself. I've been anxious my entire life. Even as a kid I had serious anxiety problems.
At certain times in my life they flared up out of control though, and wreaked havoc on my life. The worst was in 2009 though, and I literally thought I was losing my mind for a period of months.
I read a book by Claire Weekes, who was a brilliant doctor on the topic, and educated myself thoroughly. 3 years later I'm still the same person, but I've learned how to handle anxious thoughts, and my fear of anxiety is essentially gone.
You're never going to rewire your brain. You're either going to take medications that numb you to a point where you don't care, or you're going to educate yourself enough that you no longer fear the anxious thoughts when they come.
Just to be very clear, serious depression and psychological disorders are different from anxiety. I'm perfectly fine with a suicidal person taking meds. I'm perfectly fine with a person who thinks their refrigerator is talking to them taking meds.
But if they invent a pill for stupid, you might want to check it out.
So for you no anti-anxiety medications are ok under any circumstances?
There are many different kinds of anxiety problems. Just because your anxiety could be overcome without medication doesn't mean that nobody else needs medication to control their anxiety. You say that psychological disorders are different from anxiety, but in many cases anxiety is a psychological disorder, with a biological cause. I've had problems with anxiety all my life and I don't "fear anxiety". What a strange analysis. I "have" anxiety, all the time, but I don't fear it.
For myself in my panic attacks, it was entirely physical. Yes, there were physical indicators that also usually come with fear, just as uncomfortable as if a bear were attacking me, yet there was no bear. Because I could look around and see there was no danger, there was no condition to fear. And I would rationally evaluate my thoughts and feelings and know there was also no conceptual problem, so there wasn't any psychological fear.I've never heard of someone not being afraid of anxiety. If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't have anxiety. Can you give me an example of anxiety without fear?
Doctors aren't scientists. They also have an army of pharm reps selling them shit on a daily basis.
No, I never said that.
"biological cause" or "chemical imbalance" are pretty much in the realm of theories at this point. They don't give you a test to know if you're chemically imbalanced. They just tell you that you are.
I've never heard of someone not being afraid of anxiety. If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't have anxiety. Can you give me an example of anxiety without fear?
For myself in my panic attacks, it was entirely physical. Yes, there were physical indicators that also usually come with fear, just as uncomfortable as if a bear were attacking me, yet there was no bear. Because I could look around and see there was no danger, there was no condition to fear. And I would rationally evaluate my thoughts and feelings and know there was also no conceptual problem, so there wasn't any psychological fear.
It was simply a feeling, something my body was doing that related to emotions and the nervous system. It was very clear to me, and that clarity meant I wasn't afraid of it, just terribly irritated by my inability to turn it off despite understanding it.
A lot of times I'll be lying in bed at night, everything will be fine, I won't be worried about anything, and yet my muscles will be really tense, my stomach will be churning, my heart will be beating fast, I'll be weak, etc. and I won't be thinking about, or be afraid of anything. I'll just be anxious, for no reason.
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every definition of anxiety I've ever seen or heard has included the words "fear". Fear is fuel for anxiety.
No, you might not always know exactly why the anxious feeling begin, but once they do fear keeps them alive.
But at other times you have been afraid, right? Not even instance begins with fear. But fear is always a key component, even if it's not abundantly clear that's the case.
No, I never said that.
"biological cause" or "chemical imbalance" are pretty much in the realm of theories at this point. They don't give you a test to know if you're chemically imbalanced. They just tell you that you are.
I've never heard of someone not being afraid of anxiety. If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't have anxiety. Can you give me an example of anxiety without fear?
What a helpful comment!
No, I never said that.
"biological cause" or "chemical imbalance" are pretty much in the realm of theories at this point. They don't give you a test to know if you're chemically imbalanced. They just tell you that you are.
I've never heard of someone not being afraid of anxiety. If you weren't afraid, you wouldn't have anxiety. Can you give me an example of anxiety without fear?
People trust their doctors way too much in America.
I'm so glad that you know everything about anxiety and that it cannot possibly occur or continue without fear. Thank you. I'll search out my entire life (even more than I did beforehand, which I did habitually since I was a child and professionally for over a decade) for this mysterious unrecognized fear that apparently started destroying my well-being for no reason.Well, I don't know what to tell you. Every definition of anxiety I've ever seen or heard has included the words "fear". Fear is fuel for anxiety.
No, you might not always know exactly why the anxious feeling begin, but once they do fear keeps them alive.
But doctors are scientists and GAF taught me to trust scientists unconditionally. Now I don't know what to believe. Are doctors scientists?
And I guess the other question is why are so many women the ones on these mental disorder meds? Maybe because so many women start using birth control (the pill) at young ages, while that is of course "safe" maybe someday the two will be linked. Guys don't start taking stuff like the pill in their teens, I'm sure if we did there would be more issues for us as well. There are side effects to every drug, and those side effects lead to taking more medications.
But doctors are scientists and GAF taught me to trust scientists unconditionally. Now I don't know what to believe. Are doctors scientists?
Doctors learn medical facts which are the product of medical science but are not necessarily themselves scientists.
Doctors aren't scientists. They also have an army of pharm reps selling them shit on a daily basis.
But doctors are scientists and GAF taught me to trust scientists unconditionally. Now I don't know what to believe. Are doctors scientists?
Ehhhh I don't think so.
If I had to guess I'd say more women are on psychiatric medication because women are more likely than men to visit a therapist in the first place.