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[doby]

I always find voice controls awkward. Its bad the first attempt, but the second, third and fourth time saying the same thing... it's just so cringy and the concentration needed to try and get it to understand is far more effort than just finding the damn controller.

Anyway, generally it looks really slick. Apps load and switch in acceptable times however i did find the one guide pretty slow when you're used to epg's being snappy (although this is probably down to kinects processing lag).

Disappointed there was no minority report-esque control demoed.

Pretty sure Sony's will be next week, probably Monday. I should think they have a few things planned to build hype prior to the imminent launch.

 

[RdN]

This looks amazing!!

 

[Struct09]

Looks awesome, I'm totally ready for next gen

 

[BruiserBear]

The IGN video mentioned that the fast switching is not possible with disc based games. Do we have any clarification on this? I'm curious how different the experience is with a disc vs a digital purchase.

 

[DuckRacer]

The IGN video mentioned that the fast switching is not possible with disc based games. Do we have any clarification on this? I'm curious how different the experience is with a disc vs a digital purchase.

Fast switching is possible with disc games if they're in the console. But since you can't have more than one disc loaded fast switching is limited compared to the original goal.

 

[cool_dude]

Just got home from work and watched it again. Very nice features. Going to easily convince my younger brothers to get it!

 

[Sky Chief]

Very impressive!

Having said that but, but, but licensing and stuff... Lol

 

[Syphon Filter]

Dude WOW that is impressive stuff. Things like log in auto by recognizing you, kinect follows you in a skype call,etc are making like the kinect for the first time. Fast too! I want to see how the game library looks it already!

 

[AlmostMilk]

I think the PS4 will be the superior gaming platform but the Xbone will be the superior entertainment platform.

 

[Derrick01]

I think the PS4 will be the superior gaming platform but the Xbone will be the superior entertainment platform.

Which depresses me a bit because I kind of want both in 1. I won't buy an Xbox just for this stuff but I do really like most of what I've seen of the dashboard whereas I'm not thrilled with the little I've seen of PS4's new setup.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Which depresses me a bit because I kind of want both in 1. I won't buy an Xbox just for this stuff but I do really like most of what I've seen of the dashboard whereas I'm not thrilled with the little I've seen of PS4's new setup.

Another reason why I'm waiting.

 

[Kyoufu]

Another reason why I'm waiting.

Waiting for what?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Waiting for what?

To see how both systems pan out before getting either one or both.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I've got no plans to buy an Xbox One and I probably wouldn't use any of those features, but I must say it all did look quite cool.

 

[Sinthor]

I've got no plans to buy an Xbox One and I probably wouldn't use any of those features, but I must say it all did look quite cool.

I agree with this. Not planning on getting one myself- at least not for a few years and until the price is lowered by quite a bit but I have been impressed from the beginning that the XB1 has some truly cool features with the TV integration and apps. This demo shows some real promise and some cool stuff.

All the other arguments and issues aside, folk who get an XB1 will have fun and have a lot of really cool features to play with!

 

[baphomet]

First impressive thing Microsoft has done while trying to launch this console. If they had come out and shown this while switching between games back in june or whenever, they would be in a much better position now

 

[RedSwirl]

Looks like Microsoft is trying to make the core OS the Kinect killer app for now. At least it looks like something really useful for families or households with more than one person who plays Xbox games.

One concern I have is that it seems like viewing your friends lists requires switching to a whole other app. On both current-gen consoles switching to your friends list was a relatively quick and ever-accessible thing. I hope that's still true on Xbox One and PS4. One thing I like about Steam Big Picture mode is that from the main menu you're literally one button away from your friends list.

Also, they've confirmed you can fast-app switch between digital games right? It'd be interesting to play Peggle 2 while waiting for matchmaking in another game.

I think the PS4 will be the superior gaming platform but the Xbone will be the superior entertainment platform.

Which is really a reversal of current-gen where the Xbox 360 was the superior gaming platform but PS3 was the superior entertainment platform. PS3 really is a beast compared to other media boxes when it comes to simply playback ability.

 

[M_A_C]

Looks ok, but I would never use any of it.

 

[jordan0386]

Looks ok, but I would never use any of it.

Not even once, bro?

 

[OryoN]

Looks ok, but I would never use any of it.

Yeah sure... *rolleyes*
Someone who has a cable remote right next to them, but prefers to get up and manually switch channels on the cable box - each and every time - would probably say the exact same thing.

When powerful and convenient(key-word) features exists in devices people commonly use, there's a natural inclination to actually take advantage of them. Great demonstration, btw. Probably the first real case that could possibly justify such large amounts of reserved RAM in these new consoles.

 

[NIGHT-]

I'm pretty impressed by this. I probably won't get a x1 until next fall, after a ps4, but it looks really slick

 

[Louis Cyphre]

Yeah sure... *rolleyes*
Someone who has a cable remote right next to them, but prefers to get up and manually switch channels on the cable box - each and every time - would probably say the exact same thing.

When powerful and convenient(key-word) features exists in devices people commonly use, there's a natural inclination to actually take advantage of them. Great demonstration, btw. Probably the first real case that could possibly justify such large amounts of reserved RAM in these new consoles.

It's easy not to like something if you already have a predetermined opinion and are unwillingly open about it. Some of that could also stem from the first Kinect and how limited it was and the response times in real settings.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Hmm just thinking that since I have Verizon FiOS TV and there's an app for that coming to Xbox One I'm going to be able to watch two TV channels at once. One show running on the app and one channel running through HDMI-in. The sound issue might be a problem though; hopefully you'll be able to control that somehow.

 

[Boost]

The Verge has a demo of the TV stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-ltdO32Es

Ill take The Verge video over the Microsoft Live 'code' smoke and mirrors.

First thing I notice, in The Verge video, the guide from the cable provider pops up for a few seconds, and than the Xbox One UI overlays it with it's own green guide. Nilay points that out a few times and the Xbox guy kinda just shrugs it off. BUT, in the OP video, you never see the cable provider guide, you only see the Xbox One guide, so something tells me the OP video isn't real or stretching the truth. Also the fact in the OP video everything they say is picked up by Live listening and just as smooth and quick, but other media outlets are saying they have to repeat the commands 3 - 4x and in The Verge video Nilay had to say commands a few times too.

I know it's not that big of a deal, but it just shows that Microsoft is hiding something about the OS...

The Verge > Microsoft

 

[entremet]

Very nice.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Ill take The Verge video over the Microsoft Live 'code' smoke and mirrors.

First thing I notice, in The Verge video, the guide from the cable provider pops up for a few seconds, and than the Xbox One UI overlays it with it's own green guide. Nilay points that out a few times and the Xbox guy kinda just shrugs it off. BUT, in the OP video, you never see the cable provider guide, you only see the Xbox One guide, so something tells me the OP video isn't real or stretching the truth. Also the fact in the OP video everything they say is picked up by Live listening and just as smooth and quick, but other media outlets are saying they have to repeat the commands 3 - 4x and in The Verge video Nilay had to say commands a few times too.

I know it's not that big of a deal, but it just shows that Microsoft is hiding something about the OS...

The Verge > Microsoft

Yeah it did seem like a really really controlled video. Who knows how many takes it took for it go that smoothly.

 

[TheKayle]

Not even once, bro?

no he wouldnt ....he said never

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

I think the PS4 will be the superior gaming platform but the Xbone will be the superior entertainment platform.

For you. For me, all I need is netflix. Having another device on top of your cable box is janky - see the Verge video were he calls him on this.

 

[TheKayle]

For you. For me, all I need is netflix. Having another device on top of your cable box is janky - see the Verge video were he calls him on this.

the fact that you only need netflix dosnt mean much...and dosnt change the capabilities differences of this two OS

 

[Hindle]

The OS is a reason why I've preferred the Xbox this gen, and this looks even better.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

Ill take The Verge video over the Microsoft Live 'code' smoke and mirrors.

First thing I notice, in The Verge video, the guide from the cable provider pops up for a few seconds, and than the Xbox One UI overlays it with it's own green guide. Nilay points that out a few times and the Xbox guy kinda just shrugs it off. BUT, in the OP video, you never see the cable provider guide, you only see the Xbox One guide, so something tells me the OP video isn't real or stretching the truth. Also the fact in the OP video everything they say is picked up by Live listening and just as smooth and quick, but other media outlets are saying they have to repeat the commands 3 - 4x and in The Verge video Nilay had to say commands a few times too.

I know it's not that big of a deal, but it just shows that Microsoft is hiding something about the OS...

The Verge > Microsoft

Its an option in cable boxes to disable its guide UI when switching channels. On the verge's video the cable box probably just didn't have that set.

On my Comcast box I can disable the "mini guide" as it's called. If you get an XBO you should disable that and it will behave like the official MS video.

If you have a cable box look for yourself.

 

[TheKayle]

a questions guys...

the windows 8 apps store will be compatible with the xb1?

some confirmation about it?

if only albert could tell us!

 

[Hindle]

This is just Mk1, imagine what they'll do with the OS in a few years. Look at the 360 in 2005 compared to now and how huge a change it went through.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

This is just Mk1, imagine what they'll do with the OS in a few years. Look at the 360 in 2005 compared to now and how huge a change it went through.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think we'll see the drastic changes we saw this gen on next gen. I see more of an evolution than a revolution coming.

 

[Hyunickel]

a questions guys...

the windows 8 apps store will be compatible with the xb1?

some confirmation about it?

if only albert could tell us!

That was the rumor, but it's not as simple as that. In one of the videos on the verge, a guy on the Xbox team mentioned that if you can write apps for Windows 8, it's virtually the same for Xbox One. So what I'm assuming is, you need to insert some type of configuration to make it compatible with the Xbox One. Nothing is crystal clear as of yet though.

So in theory, porting Windows 8 apps to Xbox One is set to be very very quick.

 

[commedieu]

This looks amazing!!

Ok, so I read this post first. Now watching the video...

 

[weekend_warrior]

The Verge has a demo of the TV stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-ltdO32Es

The kinect stuff looks a lot less impressive when you have to repeat yourself 2 or 3 times.

 

[V_Ben]

Yeah, that whole thing was really cool. Very slick.

 

[Briarios]

Yeah sure... *rolleyes*
Someone who has a cable remote right next to them, but prefers to get up and manually switch channels on the cable box - each and every time - would probably say the exact same thing.

When powerful and convenient(key-word) features exists in devices people commonly use, there's a natural inclination to actually take advantage of them. Great demonstration, btw. Probably the first real case that could possibly justify such large amounts of reserved RAM in these new consoles.

I currently have the option to navigate my 360 by voice - and do searches by voice on my phone and iPad. I still opt for the manual way - controller and typing. While this looks cool, I see nothing that would change mine or anyone else's behavior. For one thing, people don't like yelling out what they want to do. For example, if I had a voice controlled door, I'd probably use it once to show people how cool it is, then go back to using the handle. It's just not fun keep saying things like, "open door" "flush toilet" "search for ..." - I just want to do it. If the system learns my actions so I don't have to ask, that's great - predictive systems are cool, but having to bark orders to inanimate objects? No thanks.

 

[Pumpkincutter]

The kinect stuff looks a lot less impressive when you have to repeat yourself 2 or 3 times.

Gonna look even less impressive for people bringing dates over. "
Xbox play the notebook,play notebook,xbox the notebook."
Shits not gonna fly with a lot of ladies.

 

[Pain]

My only problem with the OS is how everything is split into apps. Why? I'd rather have everything integrate into the OS. Any word on what PS4 is doing with this

 

[ShapeGSX]

My only problem with the OS is how everything is split into apps. Why? I'd rather have everything integrate into the OS. Any word on what PS4 is doing with this

What's the difference? The 360's guide button might as well be an app.

 

[Pain]

What's the difference? The 360's guide button might as well be an app.

It's faster.

 

[EvB]

It's faster.

How?

 

[Steverulez]

My only problem with the OS is how everything is split into apps. Why? I'd rather have everything integrate into the OS. Any word on what PS4 is doing with this

I think they split everything into specific apps so if they wanted to update them they didn't need to do an OS level update, its the only thing that makes sense to me, I don't have a problem with them doing it, I just think it makes sense.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

My only problem with the OS is how everything is split into apps. Why? I'd rather have everything integrate into the OS. Any word on what PS4 is doing with this

Unified/consistent design to enable things like snap.

If your friends list was just a menu, you couldn't snap it for instance.

I think they split everything into specific apps so if they wanted to update them they didn't need to do an OS level update, its the only thing that makes sense to me, I don't have a problem with them doing it, I just think it makes sense.

Also this.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Its an option in cable boxes to disable its guide UI when switching channels. On the verge's video the cable box probably just didn't have that set.

On my Comcast box I can disable the "mini guide" as it's called. If you get an XBO you should disable that and it will behave like the official MS video.

If you have a cable box look for yourself.

What about parental controls. Some channels on my cable box need a 4 digit code to unlock them. Does the xbox handle that somehow?

 

[Mr_Zombie]

Why did he have to go to a specific app channel for the voice command "xbox what's on hulu" to work? A voice based UI should be flat, not nested. I can forgive a few performance errors with recognition, although the first time it didn't work would be the last time my wife ever tried to use it, but having nested commands is a design choice I fundamentally disagree with.

Probably because after a while, when you have a lot of apps, there would be too many commands Kinect would need to match against what you said for it to work. With nested commands Kinect at least has context (there's a set of global commands that will work anywhere, and then there are commands that will work only in certain apps) so the probability that voice command is matched correctly is higher.

For user experience, however, I agree with you that flat dictionary would be better for a user.

I currently have the option to navigate my 360 by voice - and do searches by voice on my phone and iPad. I still opt for the manual way - controller and typing. While this looks cool, I see nothing that would change mine or anyone else's behavior. For one thing, people don't like yelling out what they want to do. For example, if I had a voice controlled door, I'd probably use it once to show people how cool it is, then go back to using the handle. It's just not fun keep saying things like, "open door" "flush toilet" "search for ..." - I just want to do it. If the system learns my actions so I don't have to ask, that's great - predictive systems are cool, but having to bark orders to inanimate objects? No thanks.

Voice commands work fine when they are quick and allow you to input them without interrupting what you're currently doing. For example, I once wrote an app that would allow me to, e.g., say "foobar, play album Weather Systems by Anathema" and it would send all songs from that album on my HDD to foobar2000 and play them. I don't use the app very often, because just like you I feel weird talking to my computer, but it's handy when I'm doing something in my room (e.g. working out) and want to change music without approaching my computer.

 

[Nerokis]

This is all very cool stuff, for sure. So is there a good reason Microsoft hasn't been drilling it into our heads from the beginning? We've seen a handful of limited demonstrations, but there have still been so many questions surrounding the precise capabilities of the OS, Kinect interactions with the dashboard, and so forth. Is it because things weren't working up to a certain standard until recently? Did Microsoft stumble somewhere? The marketing surrounding this device has been terrible. It's telegraphed a complete absence of confidence.

 

[Penguins&PolarBears]

Its an option in cable boxes to disable its guide UI when switching channels. On the verge's video the cable box probably just didn't have that set.

On my Comcast box I can disable the "mini guide" as it's called. If you get an XBO you should disable that and it will behave like the official MS video.

If you have a cable box look for yourself.

Yeah just checked my Verizon Fios box; it is buried in the options under "channel bar timeout." It is currently set to 8 seconds by default while channel changing, but you can turn it off or set it to 2 seconds or 4 seconds. I'll probably set it to 0 or 2. Once again The Verge picking nits with a MS product. First Nilay was like this is terrible because it will require IR blasters connected to all of your devices, now he's like this is terrible because your cable box info still shows up.

They once had what Nilay claims he wants, it was called "Cable card" and it was an enormous disaster because cable companies want to control the box and equipment that you use for their service. Windows Media Center and Tivo had cable card support. Cable Card devices got crushed by cable company DVRs. It's smarter to work with the hardware that everyone already has for cable than to require everyone to toss out their cable box and use something new (which by the way doesn't even ship with a remote). He acts like he's asking for something that has never been done before, but it has and he's probably trashed the products (TVs/DVR/PCs) that had cable card support.