Stop doubting. It's a regular nand flash chip, not an SSD
150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production
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Stop doubting. It's a regular nand flash chip, not an SSD
Vestal
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this all depends on the controller used. Given that the Xbone uses USB3.0 it is possible that this memory will go through it giving is relatively similar performance to that of a sata2 ssd.
do not compare an ssd to a flash drive. If you want to do that comparison then go ahead and put that ssd on an external drive that goes through the same USB connection, and you will see that the limiting factor is USB2.0 and not the stick itself.
blurredvision
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I can't believe some of you are still talking about yield issues. How can this possibly affect you as a PS4 supporter? It's like it is supposed to be some kind of kick in the balls to potential X1 buyers. Yield issues aren't my problem, it's Microsoft's problem.
Fresh Face
Banned
Depends on what sonys clocks are. If Sony is using lower clocks due to the ps4s slim size the difference in power might not be so great. We will have to wait and see.
You often see PC Card revisions in the same generation with higher clock speeds but fewer shader units perform on par with the card it replaced.
That said Higher CPU speed is always welcome considering its the weakest part of both consoles.
I have led to believe that:
PS4: 1.84TF GPU
PS4: 1152 Shaders
PS4: 72 Texture units
PS4: 32 ROPS
8gb GDDR5 @ 176gb/s
Verses
Xbone: 1.31 TF GPU
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
8gb DDR3 @ 69gb/s+ 32MB ESRAM @109gb/s
will barely make a dent to multiplat performance and PS4/X1 are so "close" in power it wont matter.
Now, you tell me that 150Mhz upclock to the CPU will bring parity to those machines? I've seen it all including Titan Fall. crazy launch times indeed
PS4: 1.84TF GPU
PS4: 1152 Shaders
PS4: 72 Texture units
PS4: 32 ROPS
8gb GDDR5 @ 176gb/s
Verses
Xbone: 1.31 TF GPU
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
8gb DDR3 @ 69gb/s+ 32MB ESRAM @109gb/s
will barely make a dent to multiplat performance and PS4/X1 are so "close" in power it wont matter.
Now, you tell me that 150Mhz upclock to the CPU will bring parity to those machines? I've seen it all including Titan Fall. crazy launch times indeed
Fresh Face
Banned
Real quick, since I think I missed it:
What was the original and now current clocks of the bones GPU?
What was the original and now current clocks of the bones GPU?
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
800Mhz->853Mhz
800mhz to 853mhz
Zombie James
Banned
It hasn't. If anything it'll have an unlocked framerate like the other games and at rare times you'll get 60fps.
If they actually do pull off a constant and stable 60 without dumbing down those insane graphics that'll be some black magic shit.
lol @ this thread. A 150MHz boost isn't going to make a difference one way or the other. It won't hurt anything unless it has poor cooling.
Considering both Xbone and PS4 have very PC-like architectures, seriously, 150MHz is nothing to brag about. The general rule of thumb when it comes to overclocking x86 CPU's, for example, is that anything <300-400MHz really isn't worth the time and added stress on the hardware. You barely notice anything. Also 800->853MHz on the GPU side is even more of a joke. Overclock your CPU by 150Mhz and your GPU by 50MHz, run some benchmarks and note the differences. You will see.
Enjoy your extra ~2-3 average fps on Xbone.
Things like shaders, memory bandwidth, etc. are far more important than raw MHz for gaming, unless MS put a top-secret world class 7GHz or something CPU in the box all of the sudden.
If nothing else this gives false comfort to fanboys in the ongoing systemwars fiasco that carries on with every passing generation. But something tells me that is part of the idea; make the most popular marketing feature in computing hardware next to memory and operating system, which is -- you guessed it -- clock speed, look higher while disregarding the meat and potatoes of the overall system power which is still lagging behind what PS4 can do.
I am more intimidated by MS's money hats than their laughable hardware "upgrade" band-aids. MS will probably have a stranglehold on the US market because of subsidies through ISP's, acquiring hot exclusive content/games, and so forth. Their power isn't in the discipline of their development culture or the investments they made under the hood (lol) but their brute financial muscle, something Sony does not have.
Considering both Xbone and PS4 have very PC-like architectures, seriously, 150MHz is nothing to brag about. The general rule of thumb when it comes to overclocking x86 CPU's, for example, is that anything <300-400MHz really isn't worth the time and added stress on the hardware. You barely notice anything. Also 800->853MHz on the GPU side is even more of a joke. Overclock your CPU by 150Mhz and your GPU by 50MHz, run some benchmarks and note the differences. You will see.
Enjoy your extra ~2-3 average fps on Xbone.
Things like shaders, memory bandwidth, etc. are far more important than raw MHz for gaming, unless MS put a top-secret world class 7GHz or something CPU in the box all of the sudden.
If nothing else this gives false comfort to fanboys in the ongoing systemwars fiasco that carries on with every passing generation. But something tells me that is part of the idea; make the most popular marketing feature in computing hardware next to memory and operating system, which is -- you guessed it -- clock speed, look higher while disregarding the meat and potatoes of the overall system power which is still lagging behind what PS4 can do.
I am more intimidated by MS's money hats than their laughable hardware "upgrade" band-aids. MS will probably have a stranglehold on the US market because of subsidies through ISP's, acquiring hot exclusive content/games, and so forth. Their power isn't in the discipline of their development culture or the investments they made under the hood (lol) but their brute financial muscle, something Sony does not have.
GenericUser
Member
will it still be silent then? more power = more noise?
thatsafakewebsitebro
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Pre-Order cancelled.
Am I doing it right??
Unless they are buying the cheapest CPU cooling on earth these minimal clock speed gains should still work with whatever they had planned. I don't know if they are using chips with a higher clock by default or if they are simply overclocking; either way it shouldn't matter unless they are doomed to repeat the failures of the first couple models of Xbox 360 all over again.
Mass Effect
Member
I'm assuming that you're asking that would this upclock generate more heat, and thus cause the fans to spin more and generate more noise?
A 150 MHz upclock isn't going to produce that much more heat. I wouldn't worry about it, especially with the way the Xbone is built. It'll be fine.
lol @ this thread. A 150MHz boost isn't going to make a difference one way or the other. It won't hurt anything unless it has poor cooling.
Considering both Xbone and PS4 have very PC-like architectures, seriously, 150MHz is nothing to brag about. The general rule of thumb when it comes to overclocking x86 CPU's, for example, is that anything <300-400MHz really isn't worth the time and added stress on the hardware. You barely notice anything. Also 800->853MHz on the GPU side is even more of a joke. Overclock your CPU by 150Mhz and your GPU by 50MHz, run some benchmarks and note the differences. You will see.
Enjoy your extra ~2-3 average fps on Xbone.
Things like shaders, memory bandwidth, etc. are far more important than raw MHz for gaming, unless MS put a top-secret world class 7GHz or something CPU in the box all of the sudden.
If nothing else this gives false comfort to fanboys in the ongoing systemwars fiasco that carries on with every passing generation.
I am more intimidated by MS's money hats than their laughable hardware "upgrade" band-aids. MS will probably have a stranglehold on the US market because of subsidies through ISP's, acquiring hot exclusive content/games, and so forth. Their power isn't in the discipline of their development culture or the investments they made under the hood (lol) but their brute financial muscle, something Sony does not have.
If you're this invested in hardware specs, the obviously better platform is not a console at all. This is a small bump to existing hardware. It's certainly better than the huge downgrades going from the G5 CPU to the PPE in the 360 during their kit evolutions.
lol @ this thread. A 150MHz boost isn't going to make a difference one way or the other. It won't hurt anything unless it has poor cooling.
Considering both Xbone and PS4 have very PC-like architectures, seriously, 150MHz is nothing to brag about. The general rule of thumb when it comes to overclocking x86 CPU's, for example, is that anything <300-400MHz really isn't worth the time and added stress on the hardware. You barely notice anything. Also 800->853MHz on the GPU side is even more of a joke. Overclock your CPU by 150Mhz and your GPU by 50MHz, run some benchmarks and note the differences. You will see.
Enjoy your extra ~2-3 average fps on Xbone.
Things like shaders, memory bandwidth, etc. are far more important than raw MHz for gaming, unless MS put a top-secret world class 7GHz or something CPU in the box all of the sudden.
If nothing else this gives false comfort to fanboys in the ongoing systemwars fiasco that carries on with every passing generation.
I am more intimidated by MS's money hats than their laughable hardware "upgrade" band-aids. MS will probably have a stranglehold on the US market because of subsidies through ISP's, acquiring hot exclusive content/games, and so forth. Their power isn't in the discipline of their development culture or the investments they made under the hood (lol) but their brute financial muscle, something Sony does not have.
Go on.....
sickamore007
Banned
Last I check they both running the same memory. Umm what are you on.
Edit: incorrect info there about my statement.
sickamore007
Banned
I find is strange that people who dont much about clock speed and hardware performance comment alot on things they know nothing about.
Xbox is DDR3, PS4 is DDR5.
I'm not exactly batting 1000 today, but I'm pretty sure this is still right.
statham
Member
if you ignore everything else.
graywolf323
Member
fixed it for you
GoofsterStud
Member
sickamore007
Banned
1st off I applaud microsoft for down clocking and then slowly up clocking to see how much the processor can take. I am guessing sony probably clocked at a high speed for the ps4 and if they were to up clock heat and cooling would be an issue for them.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
tensuke
Member
The original statement was that they had the same memory. Maybe the guy meant amount of memory, which would both be 8GB. Otherwise, he's correct that the difference is DDR3 and GDDR5.
Insofar as it's a game, and CPU helps games, sure, but not really. Battlefield is going to be more GPU limited, the fact that it's online or has 64 players doesn't really matter so much, and 150MHz wouldn't do much for that anyway. It's a nice upgrade versus the alternative of no CPU upgrade, but it won't make a huge difference to games. Might help get things a little more stable, but not much more than that.
Andronicus
Banned
you must be on crack i take it
JCreasy
Member
I came for this
What? That is completely fucking ignorant. It's barely a small bump. I will be getting a PS4 at some point, thanks. I'm not nearly as invested in the tit-for-tat between MS and Sony as others are, just trying to tell all of you fanboys that you should be championing MS's finances before these wannabe hardware upgrades. Because, if they win, that's going to be how. They have the money and they know how to spend it. All of this overjoyed banter over a 150MHz/50MHz gain in clock speed is probably one of the dumbest things I have seen on this forum in my 10+ years here.
There is nothing to be invested in; general knowledge of PC CPU's and GPU's will tell you that when the clock speeds are that close together between two platforms, it comes down to things like shading, ROPS, memory bandwidth. Raw CPU speed is insignificant. It has nothing to do with how 'invested' I or anyone else has to be in these consoles and everything to do with how you compare features between one chipset to another, to hell with its application.
Going from a G5 to a PPE back in the 360 days and somehow comparing it to this doesn't make much sense because they are both completely outdated CPU's that have no place in this console generation, period. You are basically saying "well at least they didn't fuck up by swapping out the CPU with a piece of crap at the last second." No kidding!
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Actually Battlefield is quite CPU intensive. Not as much as, say, Planetside 2... but try a netbook core in BF3 and then throw in an i5/7 to see the difference with the same GPU.
Diablos said:
I'm not invested in the console wars. At all. All I'm saying is that this is a positive piece of news. A slight bump in clock speeds. If you're invested so hard in the spec wars, get a PC. Both of these consoles are drastically inferior to a high end PC anyway. You always end up in second place no matter which console you choose.
Mass Effect
Member
Battlefield 3 is definitely a CPU-intensive game, especially with the destruction. I'd imagine this be the case even moreso with BF4.
statham
Member
You sure? I've been debating my updates for my computer and from what I read BF3 multiplayer is more cpu intensive then single player.
Garrett 2U
Member
CPU matters a lot, especially for gameplay.
Battlefield 3 is definitely a computational intensive game, very large scale and lots of simulation.
sickamore007
Banned
DDR3 is double data rate and GDDR 5 graphics double data rate 3. Two different type of hardware for different purpose. Woooow wooow ddr5 where did yu get that from were not on ddr4 yet. Dont forget yur g infront of the ps4 specs. Correct for yu gddr5.
GoofsterStud
Member
Yes, it matters more if the GPGPU side is weaker.
I dont know how you got gameplay in there, unless you were trying to pull another graphics < gameplay card.
tensuke
Member
Yes, a weak CPU will certainly hold you back, but as far as the consoles are concerned the game is already optimized for the 8-core Jaguar at (presumably) 1.6GHz, and an extra 150MHz won't do much good. It can help a little if you're severely CPU-limited, which technically the consoles are compared to PCs, but it's not a huge deal given they're getting console versions of the game.
Chobel
Member
WTF is this? are you trying to outdo Thekayle?
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