When You read into them, You will find a lot of speculative statements that make the subject look better, but You can't validate it by any means. This plus not so neural tone of message simply doesn't read like one issued by unbiased journalists. That's it, for me.
150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production
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When You read into them, You will find a lot of speculative statements that make the subject look better, but You can't validate it by any means. This plus not so neural tone of message simply doesn't read like one issued by unbiased journalists. That's it, for me.
ok the difference will be night and day ..as games are showing...if this make u sleep better..but we both know isnt true
the 150 was just a number ...that would mean ...that with some gflops more ...200 / 300 arent a game changer...
tensuke
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I think he IS misterxmedia...
Beerman462
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I'm sure you know that your own personal observations mean little when compared to the millions of consoles sold. I have had one 360 failure and zero PS3 failures, but that means jack shit.
Albert, while we all appreciate that you are regularly posting here, you really can't believe us to fully trust you.
First, you are paid to say what you say, while other anonymous sources post here freely for the sake of it and being here from a longer time than you they also have an impressive track record of truthfacts.
Second, posting with your real name is surely good from one perspective (we all know you really are an insider), but from another you are constrained in what you say, because your employer knows who you are, see first point.
Third, the yield issues were confirmed by more than one insider source, and since you're launching in only 13 countries, later and with far less supply than your competitor (otherwise you'll be shouting launch date and preorder numbers from the roof every day as others do) it's a truthfact you must have some kind of problems somewhere: your denial reasons for this are very variable - one day it's localization, the other is DRM removal, the other is "hey, we overclocked everything so it's proof all is good" - so don't blame us if we trust some anonymous source more than you.
On topic, this is of course a good news for Xbone, as long as it was really planned and well tested because doing changes this late in the process, and MS knows this very well, may eventually do more harm than good.
Chobel
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This post has more flops than PS4, Xbox one and Titan combined.
You should really temper your expectations. The architecture itself will cause a lot of headache to just touch a little what PS4 will bring on the table. It's not what will determine his potential success, though.
X1 will be totally fine, but is arguably the weakest of the two.
There is no fu***** 15 coprocessors the way you imagine them to be. Those are the move engines,the different blocks in Shape and co...if you think they are boosting the GPU, I've got a bridge to sell you.
The PS4 also have an audio chip, and the difference in CPUs is laughable, compared to the much larger difference between the GPUs.
You would go with nothing, mate, except with a shower of laughter from those who read your posts...
boredandlazy
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And for that I am thankful. I can only imagine how nonsensical you'd be in an actual conversation, considering what you type on Neogaf. PSN is a stronger online community thanks to your decision.
what part of the bs?
that 150 mhz at some month from launch is a big upclock? (what you expect water cooling and 500 mhz more? lol)
or that xb1 have more chips that offload cpu and gpu than ps4??
or that the gap is going to be smaller?
i think this are facts
You don't make any sense...
All of them. Its like Crysis in all of the other threads that don't have Killzone gifs.
dragonelite
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Problems is he didn't define what kind of efficiency..
For some perf/watt is efficient for other its how higher the frequency.
And i would bet that 99% cares about the latter when it comes to efficiency in consoles.
tensuke
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So, if 150 (and even 200/300) GFLOPS aren't a game changer, how is 150MHz (which amounts to around 10 GFLOPS difference) a game changer?
It was more likely planned as external from the start.
im happy i can make you laugh then..the move engine do what they need to do like the shape ..and both offload the cpu/gpu ...the ps4 audio chip is nothing worth to cerny talk about
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Steve McQueen
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Digital Foundry is gonna get real busy place once the cross-platform games are out.
Regarding audio chips from todays eurogamer article...
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-cpu-speed-increased-in-production-hardware
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-cpu-speed-increased-in-production-hardware
Care to elaborate ? I'm really curious to see where you picked this up.
So at 1.75 GHz, X1 jaguar is less efficient than PS4 one...?
boredandlazy
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I don't remember Sony ever actually going in depth as to the exact capabilities of the PS4's audio hardware. Care to link me too where they did?
Potential Shape will free up CPU resources compared to the PS4, how much depends on what the game is doing, but it is an advantage XB1 has over the PS4
The move engine don't offload the GPU, for Christ's sake, they're here to ensure an optimal memory flow and keep the CPU-GPU well fed. The PS4 doesn't need such a setup, it's memory configuration is sufficient.
They were very very close and now there was a big upclock. Unless language is meaningless that would mean the Xbox One should now blast the PS4.
If we went with your assumption that the console are going to be VERY VERY CLOSE while also incorporating this recent upclock, it would mean it would be a extremely slight increase to lessen the very very slight gap, as the PS4 is still ahead.
I don't know. I think I attended too many English lessons in school.
most games used 1 core of the old x360 cpu ...other games also 2 (forza)
ps4 will use cpu cores for the audio
xb1 no
move engines can comprime decomprime textures stuff that cpu should do ...etc etc
someone answered before me
from eurogamer
"Audio-wise, Microsoft's hardware is also impressive, with DSP effects, mixing and other features effectively available for "free" to developers, where PS4's set-up only decodes compressed audio formats. It's understood that these hardware features are being incorporated into major middlewares, which potentially sees the audio burden on CPU reduced on Xbox One"
I can see that my high end computer uses to be bottlenecked by CPU (and is a 5 Ghz sandy with 4C/8T) when gaming. CPU is responsible to maintain a good framerate when there are many objects on screen, and that is always linked to the viewing distance and the LOD of all elements.
If Xbone can free up one core with shape, thats 6 * 1.75 over 5 * 1.6 (unconfirmed ps4) and overall a 31% of cpu advantage.
You can only increase framerate reducing resolution IF your cpu is good enough.
Right now I've already decided that I will not buy any console at lauch because of my pc, but I would wait to see the performance of multiplatform games as Assassin's Creed IV, Wath Dogs, etc before trying to guess which console will have the more stable framerate.
dr. apocalipsis
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Funny thing is, with a beefier GPU, PS4 would benefit more for any CPU improvement than Xbone. Xbone was more balanced as is than PS4, wich is bottlenecked by CPU.
PS4's case is big enough to hold an efficient cooling system, I have no worries in that regard. There are a lot of thinnier laptops with bigger TDP numbers out there, and not all of them melt. So we should wait for final clocks from Sony before claim anything.
PS4's case is big enough to hold an efficient cooling system, I have no worries in that regard. There are a lot of thinnier laptops with bigger TDP numbers out there, and not all of them melt. So we should wait for final clocks from Sony before claim anything.
Read the article I linked and post the author the question if its important to you.
Chobel
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That's not strictly true.
i never said the ps4 isnt ahead..im saying ..imagining how it will go ( coz im a gamer from 25 years) that only 1 of 2 developers ...payed hard to take advance of the FULL capabilities of the system taking their time ....will show the difference between this two system...and as we can imagine ..they will be naughty dog....and someone else..(ssm maybe)...all the others..will have no time/resources and theres no reason to go to take that couple of hundres of gflops of advantage ...to show something more...this mean to me that is another x360 ps3 situation
Slim advantage,if any! You're way overstating the importance of shape and the amount of resources it would take to emulate it. I invite you to dig up the recent slide on the subject on MS recent hardware presentation.
Wow! at people acting like there is some sensational new information when every bit and every piece was already exposed and taken into account almost a year ago. Only difference is the slight clock bump for both the CPU and GPU. Still inconsequential...welcome, but negligeable.
I like you.
boredandlazy
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Beat me to the punch.
Edit:Also I think Leadbetter's also exaggerating a tad when mentioning how much of a CPU advantage the XBOne has but that's par for the course when he writes an article comparing the consoles anyway.
Also I could be wrong but I didn't think the DME's were an advantage over the PS4 per se, I thought they mainly helped mitigate some of the disadvantages of using DDR3+ESRAM?
JonathanPower
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Yeah, but two cores are reserved for the OS on the Xbox ONE. So if the PS4 will have less than one core reserved as it was rumored, the PS4 will still have more CPU power available for games, even if the CPU clock will be a little bit lower. However, the point is we don't know the clock of the PS4 CPU, as it was never confirmed.
Not really true unless you're just processing simple mp3s. Handling a large amount of uncompressed 24-bit wave files at even 44.1khz is pretty demanding, especially if you're doing real-time effects on said files and everything has to be in sync with 30 or 60 fps visuals.
With more storage space and more RAM you'll see more high quality audio being used in games.
so freeing up cpu cores is a slim advantage? ...to emulate it u will need pretty much another 8 jaguar cores...as bkillian said
I remember when I got my first PC (well my family got it's first PC) and it had a 133MHz Intel CPU and I thought that was a huge deal (as my dad chose to spend the extra cash and get a PC with about 13 more MHz). Still seems a little surreal that these days you can get something like a 150MHz increase just by overclocking or tweaking things without having to get a whole new CPU.
Does that mean you (MS) are going to take pot-shots at the competition in the future? I miss old school video game beefs, everyone now is far too nice and friendly. I used to love the old stuff like "Blast Processing" and "Genesis does what Nintendon't!".
I used to really like the discussions I had in school about Sega vs Nintendo. It was like supporting a sports team, you joined 1 side and that was it.
But then again back then I don't remember much trolling like there is now (I think the worst it got was something like "your console smells because we got 4 buttons")... Might be best to stay as you are.
Does that mean you (MS) are going to take pot-shots at the competition in the future? I miss old school video game beefs, everyone now is far too nice and friendly. I used to love the old stuff like "Blast Processing" and "Genesis does what Nintendon't!".
I used to really like the discussions I had in school about Sega vs Nintendo. It was like supporting a sports team, you joined 1 side and that was it.
But then again back then I don't remember much trolling like there is now (I think the worst it got was something like "your console smells because we got 4 buttons")... Might be best to stay as you are.
9% ahead ?
I think it's a strange statement for someone as informed as Leadbetter should be. The DMEs aren't an advantage to Xbox vs PS4 when they're doing things that simply don't need to be done on PS4 (i.e. trucking data between two pools of memory). They also do decompression duty, but PS4 also has dedicated data decompression hardware.
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