idrinkalone
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if this mean more hp for the box then i am a happy camper.. more power the better.
150Mhz CPU boost on XBO, now in production
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Daffy Duck
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I see. Thanks. What is the MS conference about? All their products?
malboroking
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And like that he leaves the thread. Why do people even give a shit if the PS3 outsold the Xbox worldwide? Does it somehow diminish the enjoyment they had with the system?
This is true, and Xbox gained a ton of market share as well. The PS3 will outsell when all is said and done, but I'm not arguing against the 360 being a great success for Microsoft. They tripled their HW sales from their previous box, I'm sure their very happy with their sales regardless of if they end up in 3rd place. And to be honest, it was very unlikely that Sony would replicate the success of the PS2.
lies made up by some fanboy with a livejournal page that a small group of Xbox fanboys hold on to because they refuse to believe that Sony could release a more powerful console
It's one guys' speculation that seems to have misunderstood a considerable portion of the Hot Chips presentation.
Garrett 2U
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Xbox One specifically. Here is the article:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-05-xbox-one-and-games-playable-at-eurogamer-expo-2013
"Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison will present an exclusive Xbox One presentation, kicking off the Eurogamer Expo developer session schedule at 12pm BST on Thursday 26th September. The session will also be streamed online on the Eurogamer YouTube channel."
Shouldn't you also ask that of the people so insistent, based on one analyst's guess at sold numbers, that it HAS outsold the 360 worldwide?
Those IDC numbers were debated to death here when they came out.
Daffy Duck
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I don't believe it myself, bit I guess we'll see one way or the other at the end of the month.
regardless...the sales numbers are neck and neck...very close...that is not debatable...meaning that considering the 360 sold what? 5-7 million consoles its first year...that even using the most pro-MS outlook, the PS3 made up a SIGNIFICANT portion of those initial sales...
and because of the above info the PS3 HAS outsold the 360 since its launch...no argument can be made against that...
Garrett 2U
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Not many do haha. Yep, we'll see.
For me at least, apple don't have enough in the brand to make me pay crazy iPad money over a cheap android tablet.
However, most cheap android tablets are shit. A well built one with comparable specs to an iPad isn't that much cheaper. And then apple kills you on the apps. Whereas on android phones you can get most apps, for tablets the situation is still shit.
So even removing brand from the equation, sole still give you plenty of practical, logical reasons to choose an iPad. Unless you literally just want to use it as a web browser
Chobel
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If it end up true, crow will go extinct.
Journalist???
Microsoft informing about GPU overclock to some sites before the podcast was aired is clearly a strategy for to have articles in the media from first minute.
idrinkalone
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As long as this upgrade makes snappin faster I'm happy. I'm one of the few that actually watch cable tv and play games.
Chobel
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Fuck snapping, that shit take 10% GPU for nothing. You can call it snapping/TV/skype..., but as far as I'm concerned it's 10% of my GPU wasted on nothing.
It outsold by 1 million, after a full 8 year cycle, in the previous 7 it was beat, then look at software sales. You're simply looking at the end result. That being said credit should be given where its due. PS3 had a higher base cost and still recovered well, primarily attributed to their stronger first party titles in the second half of the cycle, compared to MS anaemic titles.
Look at the OG Xbox > 360 increase in sales. It was an enormous improvement. I wonder how much combined they'll sell in the next gen?
your logic doesnt make any sense...its impossible for that to be the case...unless you mean it was behind for the first 7 years??...in that case i would say "duh" it launched with a 5-7 million sales deficit...yes it took the PS3 7 years to catch up and pass the 360 remains...but the fact is...
in the time period between November 11, 2006 to September 7, 2013 more PS3's were sold than 360's
soulassssns
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soulassssns
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With a huge hardware failure rate at one point as well.
Ohhhh so that's why they sold so many.
soulassssns
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Who?
this is true but how much you think sony had pushed first party devs ...(numbering the exclusives ps3 r like the 1 time and half of the x360),,,and sold at loss till 2 years before the end of the gen...to end like this
ps3 money talking was an horrible gen for sony ...ms made the money not sony and we all know that companies are there to make money not charity
if ms would choose to sell a loss for all this years..and push exclusives as sony did (investing money on money) dont think that ps3 had one chance
TheLegendOfMart
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They had a year head start and with Sony arrogance at an all time high they had the perfect opportunity. The fact that PS3 has at the very least caught up is a big deal. Japan and Europe are Sony territory, Microsoft has the US.
Syphon Filter
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you cant remove 2005 for 360. why would you do that.
TechnicPuppet
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There is no proof. No one knows cause Sony fudged the figures.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
What about the fact Sony was completely dominant in the console market with MS a minor player. Despite this both consoles have sold around the same and MS made much more money.
See I can spin as well.
isnt a spin...is the only important think....sony lost marketshare...years by years from when ms enter in the market...and ps3 sold at loss for the 80% of the time...
ps3 console numbers out there in this case can just help the ps4 gen...
didnt help sony with moneys (at least compared to what ms did)
soulassssns
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Hold up! What does this have to do with the mhz bump again?
Lol
Lol
malboroking
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Please look at the chart that shows the amount of money made in entertainment division. 360 did not really make jack squat in term of cash, especially compared to their other divisions. Theres a reason investors want to spin it off. Nintendo made more money than both of the combined and then some, so the point is really moot.
This is also pretty silly, 360 was sold at a loss for quite some, and MS spent 100s of millions of dollars securing exclusive content. Of course Sony had their first parties create games for the PS3, what else are they supposed to do?
Again, why does it bother people so much? PS3 sold more units, MS made (very slightly) more money, who cares in the end? Again, if we are bringing up discussions of net revenue, Nintendo absolutely destroyed them both.
Lol, you're right, this has veered way off topic. Anyways, good for MS, the clock upgrade is a good thing and people saying otherwise are being silly.
qa_engineer
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You guys are derailing the thread with sales talk. Back to talking about how a 10% increase in CPU for xbone negates a near 500 gflop power gap that ps4 has.
Nemesis121
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This, some poster on here think MS just decided change specs after a few days of testing not realizing they probably been testing these specs from day one..
Maybe not day 1 but at least ever since they got final cooling in test units. You can bet Sony has been doing the same, whether or not they've changed anything. Some people are nervous about these upclocks affecting heat and reliability but they shouldn't be. The CPUs and GPUs in these consoles have very low power consumption and don't put out much heat. If upclocking is happening it's because cooling and ventilation are doing their job better than expected while the console is under load. Usually at this point we hear about downclocks, not upclocks.
I think its obvious that the PS4 GPU is more powerful than the XB1 based on the hardware specs, but I do not trust their TFLOPS claims. They lied to us about about the PS3 GPU with manufactured tests that claims PS3 was 1.8 TFLOPS.
In the end, middleware and lead skus will determine which game runs the best (stable FPS), but there is no way a developer will make two versions of their art assets 720 and 1080 for each system. It would be way too expensive.
so, if the games are the same resolution and if frame rates are at or above 30fps for most games then that extra GPU power won't mean anything except for Sony First Party AAA games. Then we pretty much have the exact same scenario as this Gen.
That's what nvidia claimed.
But anyway, if you don't trust Sony because of 2006 stuff I guess you don't trust Microsoft's 180s either, right?
No, believing it's gonna be like this gen is pretty delusional.
You don't need to trust Sony's figure for the TFLOPs, using the algorithm for any other GCN card will get you the same result (same for fillrate, etc).
So you need to not trust AMD, in which case, you shouldn't trust the XBONE figures either as they use the exact same formula.
qa_engineer
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I don't "trust" your claims so I will simply ignore.keep fighting the good fight.
Garrett 2U
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10/10Hz = cycles/s
cycles -> spinning
To think that the blame for lying is 100% on Nvidia and Sony had no control over the messaging around their system is pretty delusional
why would Sony getting caught lying at the launch last gen, and never coming clean, make me not trust Microsoft for making prelaunch adjustments today?
soulassssns
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Hz = cycles/s
cycles -> spinning
lol, fair enough
tinfoilhatman
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Isn't ironic that MS making changes to their policies at the demands of fans\critics\consumers is bad thing........at this point I wonder if there are people at Microsoft who are like "Hell we can't win should have just gone full steam ahead on the DRM!" :-\
Uhm, they both "lied". Ms started by saying the 360 has 1 TFlops, Sony then later said the PS3 has 2 TFlops.
Vigilant Walrus
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The problem for Microsoft is Cerny. The guy sold me with his speech. After that I believed in the PS4 mission. I was moved. Sexually and emotionally.
Dictator93
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hope you were in the tub
AMD couldn't even talk about hUMA. They must go through the console makers before any information gets out. Sony picks the GPU metric which makes them look the best, but it does not enough for 1080p 60fps PS4 multiplat games vs lower res lower frame rate X1 games
soulassssns
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It's delusional to believe that any company would say that who's making their gpu is lying.
I'm not saying that 2006 Sony is "innocent" but they were the ones fooled by nvidia in the first place.
Why don't you trust Sony when 2013 Sony is the polar opposite to 2006 Sony (and you shouldn't "trust" anyone in particular since it's not an exotic custom setup, you already know what you're getting) if you're trusting Microsoft's daily 180s/infinite power of the cloud bullshit?
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