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[AniHawk]

i actually respect the work he does. he obviously knows direction and animation so whenever there's a new tartatovsky anything, usually i sit up and pay attention. i'm also aware there's a lot about what he does that i just can't stand. i think of the 90s cal arts people, i liked mccracken more.

oh and the cal arts groups is really fascinating. in the 80s, it was a bunch of people who wound up working on the simpsons. in the 90s, it was lauren faust, mccracken, and taratovsky, who made shows from the 90s through the 00s on a regular basis. in the 00s, it was penn ward, alex hirsch, and jg quintel, who are now part of the best shows in the 10s (although my appreciation for regular show has waned).

 

[Fireblend]

Kill: Spongebob
Kill: Spongebob

Save: Reboot.


The time has come.

 

[Oblivion]

Dexter's lab was excellent. This is because of the people who made it.

Genndy Tartakovsky (Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls, SW Clone Wars TAS, Sym-bionic Titan)
Seth MacFarlane (Family Guy)
Butch Hartman (The Fairly OddParents, Danny Phantom)
Clayton Morrow (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends)
Amy Keating Rogers (Most the above plus My Life as a Teenage Robot)
Craig McCracken (Powerpuff Girls, Foster's Home...)
Robert Alvarez (G.I. Joe)
Chris Savino (Hey Arnold, Powerpuff Girls, Foster's Home, and worked on Ren & Stimpy)

I like many of those people, but just cause they worked on it, doesn't mean it's good. Look at the various shows that those other animators went on to direct. Completely different in style to Dexter (with the possible exception of a few episodes of Power Puff Girls).

clone wars was nice because it kept the genndyisms to shorts, where they couldn't wear out their welcome.

never could get into jack outside of a few episodes. i can't believe the guy made 60+ episodes and lamented that there was never an ending or a movie.

yeah, i meant the length of the clone wars were basically very short cartoons where you could get away with some repetition and lack of dialogue. stretched to 10 minutes, it can be annoying, and to 20 minutes, it can be downright boring.

Bingo. And I also agree Symbionic Titan was his best work so far (and of course, THAT had to be the one to get the axe after one season :/ )

 

[AniHawk]

actually before going after genndy, i think it's time to purify this list a little and go after ducktales and courage.

courage had only 5 episodes in the 90s. it's less of a 90s show than spongebob is. it needs to go. ducktales is like chip and dale rescue rangers. how one is considered a 90s show and the other is not, i have no idea. they're both 80s shows to me, and fit in more with alvin and the chipmunks, the new adventures of winnie the pooh, and the real ghostbusters.

 

[iirate]

Kill: Doug
Kill: Doug
Save: reboot I guess?

Doug was the worst show on this list by far. I was discussing this thread with friends a couple of days ago and they all hated Doug growing up too.

Maybe it's a regional or age thing? Whenever I mention Doug sound people my own age, it's pretty much always remembered fondly.

I'm 27 and live in North Texas, BTW.

 

[The Adder]

Maybe it's a regional or age thing? Whenever I mention Doug sound people my own age, it's pretty much always remembered fondly.

I'm 27 and live in North Texas, BTW.

Hated Doug when I was a kid, but I like it now. It's weird.

 

[LordCanti]

Assuming that the results stay the same...

I did my bit for South Park. It was great for the three years of the nineties that it was on and the movie (in 99) was fantastic only because of the characters they had built up over the previous years. It was juvenile, but I was a juvenile at the time =/. I guess you could say that it was my Beavis and Butthead.

 

[Oblivion]

Maybe it's a regional or age thing? Whenever I mention Doug sound people my own age, it's pretty much always remembered fondly.

I'm 27 and live in North Texas, BTW.

Doug is kind of a weird show. I mean, I enjoyed it, and still like it, but it's kinda hard to exactly explain why. The first season was quite bad, with terrible animation, bad dialogue and pretty lame plots. It got better in the second season, but didn't start getting really good until like the third season. But even then, the show felt really...vanilla.

 

[AniHawk]

Doug is kind of a weird show. I mean, I enjoyed it, and still like it, but it's kinda hard to exactly explain why. The first season was quite bad, with terrible animation, bad dialogue and pretty lame plots. It got better in the second season, but didn't start getting really good until like the third season. But even then, the show felt really...vanilla.

if i'm not looking at the unintentional humor in the show, doug is sort of a prototype of hey arnold. except arnold isn't socially inept like doug.

 

[LordCanti]

Doug is like the suburban prototype of Hey Arnold. Most of the strife in Doug takes place in his head, because his reality isn't that harsh.

 

[TheAbsolution]

Voting is now closed.
You motherfuckers better not have voted off Spongebob so early.

 

[LordCanti]

Voting is now closed.
You motherfuckers better not have voted off Spongebob so early.

We did, and it wasn't early.

The real crime is that Reboot lives to see another day while South Park dies (unless my tally is boned).

 

[A Human Becoming]

if i'm not looking at the unintentional humor in the show, doug is sort of a prototype of hey arnold. except arnold isn't socially inept like doug.

I think that was a part of the appeal for me as a kid. As I grew up I found it more difficult to watch characters like that. Sometimes I'd leave the room when someone was incredibly awkward.

 

[Gintoki313]

Voting is now closed.
You motherfuckers better not have voted off Spongebob so early.

Darn, I forgot to vote today. It shall be interesting to see what everyone voted off.

 

[AniHawk]

the funny thing is while people were so focused on killing reboot, they didn't notice that south park was quietly getting killed. i'm fine with spongebob being prevented from a top 10 spot if it means getting rid of south park too.

now that we're focusing on 90s shows that aren't really 90s shows, courage and ducktales absolutely need to be next.

 

[RumblingRosco]

the funny thing is while people were so focused on killing reboot, they didn't notice that south park was quietly getting killed. i'm fine with spongebob being prevented from a top 10 spot if it means getting rid of south park too.

now that we're focusing on 90s shows that aren't really 90s shows, courage and ducktales absolutely need to be next.

The five episodes of Courage that aired in the 90s are better than most cartoon's entire series.

 

[AniHawk]

The five episodes of Courage that aired in the 90s are better than most cartoon's entire series.

spongebob just got voted off because it didn't 'feel' like a 90s show. well neither does courage. so it should be gone. that has nothing to do with my opinion that courage's value to humanity was it being a cure for insomnia.

 

[The Adder]

spongebob just got voted off because it didn't 'feel' like a 90s show. well neither does courage.

I disagree.

 

[LordCanti]

Spongebob died* without me voting for it. That's shocking in and of itself.

*assuming my tally is correct; Await official results

 

[A Human Becoming]

Spongebob died* without me voting for it. That's shocking in and of itself.

*assuming my tally is correct; Await official results

What else was killed?

 

[The Adder]

I disagree.

Allow me to elaborate:

Horror cartoons are pretty much dead in the 2000s, but they were everywhere in the 90s.

 

[AniHawk]

90% of courage's run was in the 00s. it should be in the 00s. i doubt anyone would consider the simpsons an 80s show.

Allow me to elaborate:

Horror cartoons are pretty much dead in the 2000s, but they were everywhere in the 90s.

it was a relic of a bygone era. that's fine. so was invader zim, really. it doesn't make zim any more of a 90s show.

 

[RumblingRosco]

spongebob just got voted off because it didn't 'feel' like a 90s show. well neither does courage. so it should be gone. that has nothing to do with my opinion that courage's value to humanity was it being a cure for insomnia.

I voted against Bob cause I didn't like the show much.

 

[A Human Becoming]

90% of courage's run was in the 00s. it should be in the 00s. i doubt anyone would consider the simpsons an 80s show.

For the Simpsons it had an equal amount of time in the 90s and 00s, but it peaked in the 90s.

 

[The Adder]

90% of courage's run was in the 00s. it should be in the 00s. i doubt anyone would consider the simpsons an 80s show.

We were discussing feel, not run.

it was a relic of a bygone era. that's fine. so was invader zim, really. it doesn't make zim any more of a 90s show.

Your argument was "if Spongebob is out because it didn't feel like a 90s show, Courage should be too."

I disagree with that logic because Courage feels like it's a 90s show.

 

[LordCanti]

What else was killed?

Unless people flipped a lot of votes to either Doug or Reboot at the last minute, South Park should be the other show going.

 

[AniHawk]

For the Simpsons it had an equal amount of time in the 90s and 00s, but it peaked in the 90s.

yeah and courage spent a disproportionate amount of time not in the 90s, unless it peaked in the 90s with its five episodes. that's something i wouldn't have trouble believing.

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustace likes the strange thing
courage is afraid of it and eustace calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, affecting muriel and eustace
courage saves the day
eustace calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

 

[KalBalboa]

yeah and courage spent a disproportionate amount of time not in the 90s, unless it peaked in the 90s with its five episodes. that's something i wouldn't have trouble believing.

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustace likes the strange thing
courage is afraid of it and eustace calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, affecting muriel and eustace
courage saves the day
eustace calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

Bam.

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

yeah and courage spent a disproportionate amount of time not in the 90s, unless it peaked in the 90s with its five episodes. that's something i wouldn't have trouble believing.

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustace likes the strange thing
courage is afraid of it and eustace calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, affecting muriel and eustace
courage saves the day
eustace calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

Unacceptable thought process. I will save Courage every chance I get.

 

[A Human Becoming]

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustice likes the strange thing or guy
courage is afraid of it and eustice calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, usually affecting miriam and eustice
courage saves the day
eustice calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

That does pretty much sum it up. I still found it entertaining, but it's the ultimate one trick pony.

 

[LordCanti]

I only really remember the devil cat and the guy that says naughty a bunch. Other than that, I remember that they did an Island of Doctor Moreau spoof (homage? I can't remember) episode.

 

[The Adder]

I only really remember the devil cat and the guy that says naughty a bunch. Other than that, I remember that they did an Island of Doctor Moreau spoof (homage? I can't remember) episode.

Also has the best soundtrack ever made for a cartoon. God damn shame it never got released on CD.

yeah and courage spent a disproportionate amount of time not in the 90s, unless it peaked in the 90s with its five episodes. that's something i wouldn't have trouble believing.

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustace likes the strange thing
courage is afraid of it and eustace calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, affecting muriel and eustace
courage saves the day
eustace calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

Out of the ten segments aired in '99, the following do not fit this formula:

"A Night at the Katz Motel"
"Cajun Granny Stew"
"Courage Meets Bigfoot"
"Freaky Fred"
"Mother's Day"

The following are debatable:

"The Shadow of Courage"
"Hothead"

 

[Doctor Decimate]

yeah and courage spent a disproportionate amount of time not in the 90s, unless it peaked in the 90s with its five episodes. that's something i wouldn't have trouble believing.

here's the one episode of courage i saw:

some strange thing came to the house
eustace likes the strange thing
courage is afraid of it and eustace calls him a dumb dog
the strange thing winds up causing chaos, affecting muriel and eustace
courage saves the day
eustace calls courage a dumb dog

wait did i say one episode because i meant every episode.

which makes it all the more impressive how creative the show was able to be.

 

[TheAbsolution]

Top 2:
SBSP: 20 kills 5 saves (Will live on in the 00s rounds)
South Park: 13 kills 1 save

Top 5:
Reboot: 18 kills 11 saves
Doug: 10 kills 6 saves
Dragonball Z: 3 kills 1 save

Bottom 2:
Courage: 2 kills 3 saves
Darkwing Duck: 5 kills 6 saves
Batman Beyond: 1 save
Dexter's Lab: 1 save

Top 18:

• Rocko's Modern Life
• Hey! Arnold
• Rugrats
• Doug (Nickelodeon Version)
• Dexter's Laboratory
• The Powerpuff Girls
• Courage the Cowardly Dog
• Animaniacs
• Batman:The Animated Series
• Darkwing Duck
• DuckTales
• Gargoyles
• Tiny Toons
• The Simpsons
• Superman The Animated Series
• Batman Beyond
• Reboot
• DragonBall Z
  
  

Vote Away.

/sobs

 

[A Human Becoming]

Top 18:

• Spongebob Squarepants (Seasons 1-4)
• Rocko's Modern Life
• Hey! Arnold
• Rugrats
• Doug (Nickelodeon Version)
• Dexter's Laboratory
• The Powerpuff Girls
• Courage the Cowardly Dog
• Animaniacs
• Batman:The Animated Series
• Darkwing Duck
• DuckTales
• Gargoyles
• Tiny Toons
• The Simpsons
• South Park
• Superman The Animated Series
• Batman Beyond
• Reboot
• DragonBall Z
  
  

Vote Away.

/sobs

I caught that!

 

[Divvy]

YUSSS

Reboot lives to see another day!

Good job guys

*shakes hands*

 

[Dicer]

Kill: Reboot
Kill: Hey! Arnold
Save: TBA

 

[Doctor Decimate]

Reboot and Duck Tales. let's go. (this is not a vote)

 

[CharminUltra]

Sigh here we go again.

Kill: Reboot
Kill: Reboot

Save: Batman TAS

 

[Skid 4 Dead]

Kill : Reboot
Kill : Reboot
Save : Courage the Cowardly Dog

It's the only logical show to eliminate in my mind. In the list of the elite this is the weak link. The only show with an obvious flaw.
Will edit in save accordingly.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Kill: Reboot

Reboot and Duck Tales. let's go.

Kill: Reboot
Kill: Reboot

Kill : Reboot
Kill : Reboot

It is time.

Kill: Reboot - Fucking die already!
Kill: Reboot - Ditto.
Save: Ducktales

 

[Gintoki313]

I'm sorry everyone, but its the shows time.

Kill: Reboot
Kill: Doug
Save: TBA

I liked Doug, but I don't remember much about it. What I do remember, is not liking the designs as much.

Reboot is a great show, but I like every other show on the list more.

 

[TheAbsolution]

Joining the fucking Reboot train.
Kill my Spongebob will you? Fucking show.
Kill: Reboot
Kill: Reboot
Save: Hey! Arnold.

 

[KalBalboa]

Kill Courage
Kill Courage
Save Doug

Top twenty has been cracked. Anything remaining has made it into "legendary" status, so let's filter out anything that might have had a genuinely weak or bad element compensated by a great theme song or satirical edge.

 

[Divvy]

So much salt

 

[LordCanti]

Kill: Reboot
Kill: Reboot
Save: Doug

I don't get the love, I really don't. I saw all of it as a kid, and the bits after Enzo became an adult were cool but... this is a list that has already lost X-Men, Ren and Stimpy, Angry Beavers, Beast Wars, Swat Katz, Freakazoid, etc. I saw all of Reboot when it aired on Cartoon Network when I was a kid, and I can't remember anyone I know caring about it at all. I thought it was ugly then, and that was back when CGI animation was a novelty. I did watch all of it though, so it was good enough to hold my attention/good enough to warrant a top 20 spot. Top 10 though? On a list featuring the shows on this one?

 

[midramble]

Kill: Tiny Toons
Kill: Tiny Toons
Save: TBD (I've supported Reboot a lot, but now I feel like it can die at any time and it will have at least been done justice)

I'm also certain it's going to get so many kill votes that it will be un-savable.

Note: that %34 thing means with roughly 40 voters it roughly takes 28 kills to make something unsalvageable.

 

[A Human Becoming]

So much salt

It's long over due. Already at 12 kills. Anyways, I think Absolution is the only one really salty from last round.

 

[Divvy]

I still think Reboot should go after Ducktales, which had all of 8 episodes in the 90s and 92 episodes before that. Same deal with Courage.

 

[KalBalboa]

I still think Reboot should go after Ducktales, which had all of 8 episodes in the 90s and 92 episodes before that. Same deal with Courage.

Vote Duck Takes down then. We need not allow it to cross into to fifteen.