20 Years LttP: Twin Peaks

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not to brag or anything but I took a writing class and found out that the Prof. was a writer on twin peaks. Robert Engles. In fact he still teaches at Cal State Fullerton.
 
I came here to post that rumor.

I don't really want a season 3 of Twin Peaks (although I'd gladly take it). I'd much rather see Lynch create another show based on a fucked up small town (a spiritual successor).
 
Fantastical said:
I came here to post that rumor.

I don't really want a season 3 of Twin Peaks (although I'd gladly take it). I'd much rather see Lynch create another show based on a fucked up small town (a spiritual successor).
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I'm not sure I want it either, as whatever route the may go, I suspect they'd
ruin the awesome ending, and save Cooper from Bob.
 
This reminds me that I still need to finish this. I lost interest about a quarter of the way into season 2.

I love Lynch, so I don't know why I stopped watching it to be honest.
 
Dantis said:
This reminds me that I still need to finish this. I lost interest about a quarter of the way into season 2.

I love Lynch, so I don't know why I stopped watching it to be honest.
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Because most of season 2 is horrible? You quit watching at the right time. Just watch the final episode and the movie.
 
Dantis said:
This reminds me that I still need to finish this. I lost interest about a quarter of the way into season 2.

I love Lynch, so I don't know why I stopped watching it to be honest.
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That's why. A quater of the way into season 2 is where the bad episodes take over. The last couple episodes are worth it though.
 
I don't watch Psych, but I want to see the tribute episode they did to Twin Peaks. They had a few of the TP actors guest on the episode!
 
inm8num2 said:
I don't watch Psych, but I want to see the tribute episode they did to Twin Peaks. They had a few of the TP actors guest on the episode!
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I saw a Youtube video of just the TP scenes that was great, but it seems to have been taken down. From what I could tell of the show it seemed like something I would never watch under any other circumstance.
 
PotatoeMasher said:
I saw a Youtube video of just the TP scenes that was great, but it seems to have been taken down. From what I could tell of the show it seemed like something I would never watch under any other circumstance.
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I wasn't a huge fan at first, but if you can get by the cheesiness at times, Dule Hill and James Roday as Shawn and Gus have a ton of chemsitry and great moments.
 
I'm watching the series for the third time.

First Episode finished....sooooooo goooood...it's like watching it for the first time.
Seriously best Tv show ever.


Bob...omg...I'll have nightmares again
 
This show got me through a breakup. The world was just weird enough to let me completely zone out while it was on. I still need to watch the movie, although I hear it sucks.
 
Jack Remington said:
This show got me through a breakup. The world was just weird enough to let me completely zone out while it was on. I still need to watch the movie, although I hear it sucks.
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The movie just isn't all that interesting because you more or less know what's going to happen.

Prequels always stink.

The show was so strong for the mystery aspects - the NOT knowing. Then slowly figuring it out. Once you know, who gives a shit...
 
The perfect Dark said:
In my opinion "Fire walk with me" is one of Lynch's best films.
But you should watch it after the last episodeß
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The movie does not work well in so many ways:

It is too dark, for one. The show ALWAYS mixed its darkness with that Lynch-branded light. The movie just tears at your soul and then stomps on it.

The characters are all noticeably older trying to play their still-young selves, which works poorly for many of the actors who still acted poorly, but now had little excuse to do so.

No Lara Flynn Boyle, replaced instead by that chick from the Cutting Edge...booooooo.

Very, very little of the best characters of the series.


etc, etc, etc......

Interesting as back story, nothing else.
 
Jack Remington said:
I still need to watch the movie, although I hear it sucks.
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It's quite a different beast from the show, yet extremely familiar.

There are no actual spoilers below, but I wanted to be respectful to those who haven't seen the ending / movie.
If you've seen Blue Velvet, it's very similar in many ways, but it isn't nearly as good, in my opinion. The major flaw with it, I believe, is that it is focused on a character I had no interest in. Laura was always great as this enigma we would learn more about from each new character and major event in the show. It's not fun to actually watch her be Laura.
That said, it's an interesting film purely for the way in which Twin Peaks is now presented, as compared to the show. I've described it several times like this before, but I felt Twin Peaks had a more optimistic and enjoyable tone about it because of Dale Cooper's presence. He a flowing river of excitability and positive thinking, so our perceptions of the town are affected as much in the presentation. I mean, when you step back and look at it, there's a lot of really messed up stuff that we see and hear about going on in the town, but it never really feels that way until things come to a head the several times it does in the show. I think Cooper's presence is somewhat of a reassurance that things can and probably will still be alright.

With Cooper gone, we're left with Laura, who is clearly painted in the show to have many issues surrounding her young adult life. She has seen the darker side of the town and lived in it more than anyone thought, and the movie is a journey through that from her eyes. It's almost uncomfortable at times to see characters we watched in the show having the curtains pulled back on them, despite knowing what they have done.
Fire Walk With Me is still very much worth watching, but just go into it expecting it to be much darker and different from what the show was. Also, I would recommend reading up on some of it after the fact, because there are some confusing loose ends they introduce that never get resolved due to editing constraints.
 
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is very, very underrated - both as a prequel to Twin Peaks and as a film in it's own right. Not only was it a return to the heart of Twin Peaks for me, after the death of the mystery in S2, but it's also a technically brilliant film, and one of my favourite Lynch works. I also think it's one of the best horror films of the 90s when you look at what it's really about (seriously, take it away from the show if you have to and just think about this story, and this world on screen, the sheer imagination and darkness that Lynch is tapping in to really isn't something that should be criticised). At no point did I think "this doesn't feel like Twin Peaks", actually if anything it felt more like Twin Peaks to me than a good deal of the show.

And to say it's not worth watching because you know what happens, well, I just don't agree with that. If anything that's what makes it so captivating.

Also Sheryl Lee is absolutely brilliant in it.

To think that it got booed at Cannes really is quite sad. Because it is a brilliant film. So Twin Peaks got cancelled then people unjustly booed Lynch's return to the world while he was present, which he took very personally I believe, and now there are rumours of a return circulating again? Why should he?
 
Okay, so I have to brag for a moment:

My school is currently doing a retrospective on the series, and we had Mark Frost, Duwayne Dunham, Ron Garcia, and Grace Zabriskie stop in for Q&A afterwards. It was all pretty incredible, and I got them all (except Grace, she ducked out before I had the chance) to sign my dvds.

I just wanted to share a few interesting things they talked about during the Q&A! No idea how much of this is a repeat or not, so here goes.
Spoilers for series and film, of course-

-The story floating around about Frank Silva being cast as BOB because he ducked down behind the bed frame when they yelled action is apparently not quite accurate. Grace said it was actually from the scene where Sarah is with Donna and starts crying/yelling that Silva was reflected in the mirror above her head from a reflection on a mirror across the room. Serendipitously, they went with it. Also, that denim jacket he wore was Silva's own jacket, haha

-The Jerry Horne character was created after he was brought in for an audition.

-Ron Garcia was filming a lot of establishing shots using a variety of lenses. After sending them off for review, Lynch called him and told him they were "too weird." He was proud that he had managed to out-weird David Lynch, hahaha

-Ron Garcia said that the first sequence for the Red Room in episode 1.2 was shot with him practically facing backwards and upside down because of the camera being finicky and sort of breaking.

-Garcia stated that during the filming of Fire Walk With Me, the scene with Laura and Bobby in the woods was very dark and tried to add some ambient light. He was bouncing light off reflector cards, and Lynch kept having him dim the lights, but it was always too bright. They finally removed the reflectors and had it shooting into the trees. Lynch said it looked good, but where was the light now coming from? Garcia said, "The same place your music does" and it stuck there, haha.

-Lynch apparently called up Frost a few days before shooting an episode and said "There is a giant in Cooper's room." Additionally, for Josie's character, he said that she couldn't go back to Hong Kong, and she was now going to end up in a drawer handle. It was all very funny at the moment, I assure you. : P

-David Lynch would send over a cappuccino and a bag of peanut m&ms for his editors each day at 3pm to keep their energy up.

-Garcia and Dunham spoke on how David was pushing them to make the show very warm visually. So warm, in fact, that they were convinced that they would no longer be able to get work in town because of how much grief they would get afterwards. However, David said he loved the way it turned out looking, and they sent someone to be in the control room when the show aired so nobody would adjust the colors when it was airing.

-Everyone is really good at doing Lynch impersonations, Frost in particular.

-Mark Frost was (inevitably) asked if there was any desire to pursue making a third season, either on television or for an online viewing like HBO/Hulu Plus. He responded that he and David Lynch both share the view that "Twin Peaks is a continuing story."
 
I know they're filming the Q&A stuff, but I'm not sure how they'll be releasing the footage, if at all. I'll be trying to post anything interesting from the other sessions, but I'm not sure I'll be able to attend each one. If they post the video stuff, I'll definitely throw it in here for everyone to check out. If the next ones are anything like the one tonight, you're all in for a treat. : )
 
Damn, what was I doing posting in that other TP thread when there was already a great one going on here?

If we're swapping stories, I guess I'll chime in. For a couple months in 2001, I lived in an apartment a couple floors up from Michael J Anderson, aka, The Man From Another Place. Long story short [ha], my roommates already knew him (as Mikey) and we had him over for a party. He talked to me about hanging out with Andy Warhol, the time he worked at NASA, and all sorts of stuff I wish I'd been sober enough to remember better. Oh yeah, he is able to repeat anything you say to him backwards, instantly. That's probably what prompted Lynch to do the dream sequences the way he did. Anyway, he is an incredibly smart, sweet guy, and I'm glad to have gotten the chance to meet him.
 
lednerg said:
Oh yeah, he is able to repeat anything you say to him backwards, instantly. That's probably what prompted Lynch to do the dream sequences the way he did. Anyway, he is an incredibly smart, sweet guy, and I'm glad to have gotten the chance to meet him.
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I'm really glad you brought this up, because they actually spoke briefly on it!

Light spoilers for episode 1.2 : "Zen, or the Skill to Catch a Killer"
So, for the overseas market, they were asked to provide some kind of closure to the pilot (in case the show didn't take off and they could market it as a movie). The sequence with Anderson in 1.2 was actually shot for part of that conclusion for the pilot/movie. Frost said that Lynch wanted to make it more interesting, and they decided to shoot the scene in reverse with reverse dialogue. He approached Anderson about the prospect and asked if it was going to be asking too much to learn all of his lines in reverse. Anderson replied that he had been speaking backwards since he was 12. Coincidence?! I don't know. : )
Sheryl Lee still had to learn to do it, though, haha.

I'm really jealous you got to meet him. He seems like an awesome guy!
 
Well there you go, then. It was fate. [referring to spoiler'd text]

The first time I met him was when I was going into the elevator at the apartment one night, and there he was, looking up and smiling at me. I had no idea he lived there, so I was totally taken aback. My roommates had mentioned before that they knew a cool little man who was an actor, but they didn't watch TP so that never came up. Anyway, in Hollywood, you don't talk to celebrities so I kept my cool, as you do. But I swear, the elevator had black and white tiles on the floor, reminiscent of the Red Room, and the whole situation was sorta freaking me out, lol. When I got to the apartment and saw my roommates, I was like "do you KNOW who that man IS?" hahaha
 
lednerg said:
The first time I met him was when I was going into the elevator at the apartment one night, and there he was, looking up and smiling at me
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That shit is the stuff of nightmares, people have had full blown psychotic breaks over less. You are a lucky lucky man.
 
Okay, so we just had the second session of episode rounding out season one with the actors playing Bobby Briggs, Shelly Johnson, Betty Briggs, Mike Nelson, Dr. Jacoby, Trudy, and Robert Engels.


Some of the fun trivia bits from Q&A/Roundtable-

  • The jacket for Bobby was originally going to be a letterman, but they went with a leather one last minute. The actor wanted to keep the T from the letterman and had it sewn on, based on someone he knew in high school.
  • Dr. Jacoby's glasses were actually something the actor conceived. He was down on venice beach trying to find a pair that would best fit his character and was torn between a blue and red pair. He was quickly holding one up to one eye to compare, and settled on liking the double colored lenses. Also, the earplugs in the pilot were his idea of a man that spends all day listening to other peoples' problems so he blocks out normal conversations.
  • Shelly's part was written entirely because Mark and David liked the actress's audition.
  • In the pilot scene with Bobby and Shelly in the car, David Lynch was in the floor of the passenger side the entire time to give them directing notes during the takes.
  • ABC had been asking for a bible on the show after it began to catch on from the first several episodes airing. The staff didn't want to make one, and they had received a large write up on future speculation from a fan and just gave that to ABC instead.
  • After the first season aired and Twin Peaks didn't win any of its numerous nominations for television awards, the head of NBC wrote to the show to tell them they were robbed because Twin Peaks was that good.
  • The scene with Audrey tying the knot with the cherry stem, though it has cuts in it, was actually her doing the tying. She went to the effort to learn how to do it for the part.
  • The scenes in the pilot with the deer bust on the table and the flickering lights in the morgue were not intentional. The deer kept falling off the wall, the crew left it on the table, and David went with it. The lights were flickering for unknown reasons, but he found it really pleasant and kept it. Serendipity!
  • The movie Fire Walk With Me was originally penned to be so long that they would include an intermission in it. However, the studio forced it to be shorter, and they had to cut many of the returning actors from the final film. David called every cut actor to personally apologize for it.
  • David Lynch sounded like he was responsible for continually reminding the writing staff to include all of the actors in the script. If he noticed some characters weren't showing up, he would push them to include them in a scene or something.
  • The actor that played Dr. Jacoby got his part because he was roommate to Dennis Hopper and another man that knew David Lynch. Dennis Hopper was throwing Lynch a birthday party. Lynch got some birthday card with a cartoon drawing of a man surrounded by naked women, he turned to the actor and said, "Wouldn't you like the chance to be that guy?" and he responded "I would rather just have the chance to work with you." He said okay and he would get him on his next project. He was true to his word.
  • Two funny stories involving David's directing- Jacoby was redoing a scene in early, early season two, and David gave him the direction to "think about ghosts" the next take. He did, and it turned out fantastic. Shelly had a touching scene with Norma in the RR, and wasn't quite getting the emotion she needed. David walked up to her, took her hands, looked her in the eye and said, "...............you know? ............................you know?" and walked away. She nailed it. Everyone kept coming back to talking about Lynch, regardless of the questions. It was pretty cool.
  • The title shot of the town sign against the road was actually only two frames of film alternated back and forth. It was taken from a scene in the pilot, and it was the only two frames of the shot that didn't have a car in it.

Not really facts, just interesting things I heard while standing in line to have a moment of the actors' time, the actors playing Bobby and Mike have apparently not seen each other in some time. Mike's actor introduced his wife to him, and they commented on how weird it is that they're all older now. Was really kind of sweet.

I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting, but I'll try to post them if I recall.
Managed to get my DVD set signed by all of them and chat a moment. It was great. : )

edit: Here is a photo from tonight's roundtable, and the videos from the first session I mentioned above.

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Twin Peaks Retrospective Roundtable \ Q&A 1
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6

Left to Right
Host
Co-Creator/Writer/Director - Mark Frost
Director/Editor - Duwayne Dunham
Director of Photography - Ron Garcia
Sarah Palmer - Grace Zabriskie
 
  • Dr. Jacoby's glasses were actually something the actor conceived. He was down on venice beach trying to find a pair that would best fit his character and was torn between a blue and red pair. He was quickly holding one up to one eye to compare, and settled on liking the double colored lenses. Also, the earplugs in the pilot were his idea of a man that spends all day listening to other peoples' problems so he blocks out normal conversations.
  • In the pilot scene with Bobby and Shelly in the car, David Lynch was in the floor of the passenger side the entire time to give them directing notes during the takes.
  • The actor that played Dr. Jacoby got his part because he was roommate to Dennis Hopper and another man that knew David Lynch. Dennis Hopper was throwing Lynch a birthday party. Lynch got some birthday card with a cartoon drawing of a man surrounded by naked women, he turned to the actor and said, "Wouldn't you like the chance to be that guy?" and he responded "I would rather just have the chance to work with you." He said okay and he would get him on his next project. He was true to his word.
  • Two funny stories involving David's directing- Jacoby was redoing a scene in early, early season two, and David gave him the direction to "think about ghosts" the next take. He did, and it turned out fantastic. Shelly had a touching scene with Norma in the RR, and wasn't quite getting the emotion she needed. David walked up to her, took her hands, looked her in the eye and said, "...............you know? ............................you know?" and walked away. She nailed it. Everyone kept coming back to talking about Lynch, regardless of the questions. It was pretty cool.
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Thanks for the further recapping. These were my favorite snippets. Oh Lynch. And I didn't know the actor who played Jacoby was so awesome.
Melchiah said:
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same reaction :lol
 
big ander said:
And I didn't know the actor who played Jacoby was so awesome.
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Yeah, he had some really great stories he told during the time. He would sort of ramble, but it was really interesting rambling.


You're very welcome! I was jotting abbreviated notes down on the back of my hand to remember for this week, since a few of those were actually things I remembered while watching the show, haha.
 
Twin Peaks Retrospective Roundtable / Q&A 2

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7


Left to Right
Host
Dr. Jacoby - Russ Tamblyn
Shelly Johnson - Mädchen Amick
Bobby Briggs - Dana Ashbrook
Mike Jones - Gary Hershberger
Betty Briggs - Charlotte Stewart
Writer/Story Editor - Robert Engels
Trudy/PA - Jill Rogosheske Engels
(Trudy)

The person recording these has the next set up!
Less technical than the first time's QA, but lots of great stuff in there.
 
I've been slacking! The videos the person recorded from two weeks ago are definitely up now.

Twin Peaks Retrospective Roundtable / Q&A 3

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8

Guests
The Giant - Carel Strucyken
ABC Program Exec at time of TP - Philip D. Segal
Producer - Gregg Fienberg
Unit Publicist / Asst. to Mark Frost - Paula K. Shimatsu-u
Harold Smith - Lenny Von Dohlen
Johnny Horne - Robert Bauer
Production Designer - Richard Hoover



The videos from the fourth session yesterday should be up shortly, but here are some of the cool things they had in the lobby. Two of the prop department guys were at the session, and they had plenty great things they brought along.
Some spoilers (out of context) in the images.


 
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