Hey, I think Duke has had some successful big men but thats not the rep. We lost more than a few dudes due to that rep. I'm not sure how it started but I do think, as RF mentions above that there was a story that Cal wanted Billy G's players gone (save PP) there were rumors about Wiltjer being forced out, there are rumors about Poythress. Again, I'm not saying its true, but there are those that believe Cal will recruit over his problem players, and he boots em out if they don't shape up. If you think your son may not be a 100% Cal guy, Self seems like a better option. Eh, who knows.
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Hey, I think Duke has had some successful big men but thats not the rep. We lost more than a few dudes due to that rep. I'm not sure how it started but I do think, as RF mentions above that there was a story that Cal wanted Billy G's players gone (save PP) there were rumors about Wiltjer being forced out, there are rumors about Poythress. Again, I'm not saying its true, but there are those that believe Cal will recruit over his problem players, and he boots em out if they don't shape up. If you think your son may not be a 100% Cal guy, Self seems like a better option. Eh, who knows.
Grover Cleveland
Member
Duke basketball visited West Point yesterday
Duke basketball visited West Point yesterday
We got straps too PJ, we comin'
Honestly I don't know what to make of that picture. I read one comment where each Duke player took two shots and stopped so theyd get used to leaving after the second round. We normally get bounced in the sweet 16 but that was still pretty funny
The TDD thread turned into a political dumpster fire.
Duke basketball visited West Point yesterday
The whitest black kids you know....
Conner Vernon was the blackest white kid on our football team last year, so it balances out. He was from your neck of the woods
Grover Cleveland
Member
CBS Pre-Season Top 26
Gottlieb has UNC at 5?
UK and KU at 7 and 9?
You know how them dudes in Durham get down, ask PJ.
Gottlieb has UNC at 5?
UK and KU at 7 and 9?
You know how them dudes in Durham get down, ask PJ.
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Kid's getting paaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiid... with textbook stipends.
Grover Cleveland
Member
PackPride at it again
I can't lie, I respect their grind. Those dudes work 24/7 to try and destroy UNC
I can't lie, I respect their grind. Those dudes work 24/7 to try and destroy UNC
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Both Iowa State and Iowa got votes in the first top 25 poll this year, I think it'll be a good year for basketball in Iowa.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/
HeisenbergLannister
Member
Chane Behanan "indefinitely suspended" at Louisville, so he'll be back time for the UK game.
Grover Cleveland
Member
First Coaches Poll
1 Kentucky (16) 0-0 767
2 Michigan State (3) 0-0 749
3 Louisville (10) 0-0 741
4 Duke (3) 0-0 710
5 Arizona 0-0 637
6 Kansas 0-0 623
7 Syracuse 0-0 551
8 Florida 0-0 550
9 Michigan 0-0 548
10 Ohio State 0-0 533
11 North Carolina 0-0 494
12 Oklahoma State 0-0 462
13 Memphis 0-0 334
14 Gonzaga 0-0 270
15 Virginia Commonwealth 0-0 258
16 Wichita State 0-0 233
17 Marquette 0-0 230
18 Oregon 0-0 175
19 Connecticut 0-0 167
20 New Mexico 0-0 153
21 Wisconsin 0-0 148
22 Notre Dame 0-0 128
23 UCLA 0-0 121
24 Indiana 0-0 118
25 Virginia 0-0 103
1 Kentucky (16) 0-0 767
2 Michigan State (3) 0-0 749
3 Louisville (10) 0-0 741
4 Duke (3) 0-0 710
5 Arizona 0-0 637
6 Kansas 0-0 623
7 Syracuse 0-0 551
8 Florida 0-0 550
9 Michigan 0-0 548
10 Ohio State 0-0 533
11 North Carolina 0-0 494
12 Oklahoma State 0-0 462
13 Memphis 0-0 334
14 Gonzaga 0-0 270
15 Virginia Commonwealth 0-0 258
16 Wichita State 0-0 233
17 Marquette 0-0 230
18 Oregon 0-0 175
19 Connecticut 0-0 167
20 New Mexico 0-0 153
21 Wisconsin 0-0 148
22 Notre Dame 0-0 128
23 UCLA 0-0 121
24 Indiana 0-0 118
25 Virginia 0-0 103
Looks like it'll come down to UNLV or Iowa State according to media guys.
I'm betting UNLV. They've already got a nice class, Vaughn would be a nice addition.
Big Blue Madness tonight is big for the 2014 class. Lyles, Blackmon, and Stanley Johnson will all be there. Really hoping we can nab all three, especially Johnson. Need to lure him away from Arizona.
Also a bunch of quality 2015 and '16 recruits, though I haven't seen an up to date list for them.
Also a bunch of quality 2015 and '16 recruits, though I haven't seen an up to date list for them.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
A weekend long power outage in Lexington would be cool with me.
Grover Cleveland
Member
Jabari a beast
Got to see this live.
Really happy with what I saw at Countdown. This team will be REALLY fun to watch this year.
Got to see this live.
Really happy with what I saw at Countdown. This team will be REALLY fun to watch this year.
Randolph Freelander
Member
It might just be the fade, but I caught a vibe of a young Grant Hill.
Nice of Hairston (preseason POTY) to make it into the poster, too.
dont call it a comeback
Banned
tOSU should be top 5
Jay Williams is right man, I remember watching the McDonald's All-American dunk contest and thinking that Jabari looked really athletic. I think he's a bit underrated in that department.
Anyways, Stanley Johnson seemed to enjoy BBM. Also, he tweeted Lebron James afterwards "@KingJames where should I go to college I need help??"
You know what to do Stanley...
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
That's disgusting. Unless someone split his head open with D battery your entire fanbase are a bunch of bitches.
NBA scout line at UK's practice:
Man, we're really jumping without a net this year :lol if this team ends up bad or even just okay it's going to be a colossal letdown given all the expectations.
Exciting year, but also a tad nerve wracking.
Man, we're really jumping without a net this year :lol if this team ends up bad or even just okay it's going to be a colossal letdown given all the expectations.
Exciting year, but also a tad nerve wracking.
The ghost of Robert Morris still lingers.
I don't think there's any way this team ends up bad. Last year was a bit of an aberration. A thin team with no point guard loses their best player halfway through the season, you aren't going to have a great year. This years team is anything but thin, there is too much depth for something like last year to happen. If things aren't going well for a player like happened with Alex and Archie for stretches last year, they just won't play until they figure it out. If someone goes down again this year, we have backups at every position. Lastly and most importantly, we should have some actual leadership from the PG position this year.
After watching BBM, Randle seems unguardable at his level of play, but it's hard to tell with the all star game caliber defense being played.. I was also impressed with Dakari Johnson. He seems to have gotten in much better shape and it looked like it really improved his athleticism. He was running the floor well and keeping up with the action, which he is going to need to be able to do if he wants to see much playing time.. Part of me wants to see some high/low with Randle and Dakari. What team in the nation has the personnel to guard those two in the paint?
Yeah, I think you're right. Just a bit nervous lol.
I'm just interested in what our starting lineup will be. Most people have said Poythress will start at the 3 over James Young, but NBA scouts are saying that Young looks like one of the best players in the country right now, so we'll see.
I still think Cauley-Stein starts at the 5 just because of his athleticism and the fact that we won't need much offense from him with the other guys on the roster, but I can see four freshmen starting next to him.
And I agree about Dakari. Jay Bilas said that as well after watching some UK practices. That he's much more explosive and running the floor better. Can finish above the rim now instead of just always laying it in.
Well Young is a 2, not a 3 at the next level, but I imagine he could guard most college 3's with no problem. I'd imagine it's mostly irrelevant aside from potential ego issues, as I expect the top 7 to all get starter's minutes, it doesn't really matter who comes off the bench.
I'd say the ideal starting lineup if you are just looking at the pieces would be Andrew Harrison, Young, Poythress, Randle and either WCS or Johnson depending on offense or defense or what style of play the game is. Have Aaron come off the bench at the 1 and 2, and between the three of them they take all 80 minutes at the guard spots basically, so they all get starters minutes. Then you can play Randle at the 3 a bunch and go bigger in the front court. I imagine a lineup of Andrew, Young, Randle, Marcus Lee and WCS would be our best defensive lineup.
Between the point guard spot and the two wings there is basically 30 MPG for all of them though, so that's not really a concern aside from ego management and which lineups work best together.
Having Young come off the bench as instant offense is not a bad idea either, if you can get him to buy into the role. He is probably the best pure scorer on the team as far as being able to create and finish on his own, and putting him up against the opposing team's backup wings would just be unfair.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ck-rule-hated-by-players-and-coaches/3172213/
It's going to be really interesting to see if this is consistently called this year and how the college game adjusts.
Hopefully this will be the end of boreball. I expect a lot of Dickie V whining about how the NCAA needs to go to a 6 foul limit.
It's going to be really interesting to see if this is consistently called this year and how the college game adjusts.
Hopefully this will be the end of boreball. I expect a lot of Dickie V whining about how the NCAA needs to go to a 6 foul limit.
As long as I'm not seeing handchecks called 20 feet away from the basket on a semi-consistent basis. There are already plenty of games every year that the refs ruin by calling every little handcheck. Free throw shootouts aren't fun. The less intrusion from the refs, the better. The only thing that needed real work was the awful charge vs block call. They just need to focus on consistency the most honestly, you see some absolutely terrible officiating at the college level do to inconsistency.
If it's a handcheck, it's a handcheck no matter where it happens. Those handchecks and bumps 20 ft out(or more) give defenses time to react and close down driving lanes, its every bit as much an illegally gained advantage for the defense as it would be closer to the basket.
That whole 'don't call it unless it really matters' bullshit is how we got to this point to begin with.
Call it consistently, the players will adapt, as long as the calls are consistent, it is not the refs intruding, it is the players fouling too much. We may actually end up with less of those freethrow shootouts late in the season if the refs would call a tighter less physical game consistently all year round.
Yup. If they stick to it and are consistent the game will be better off. The NBA benefited greatly from similar changes, I've no doubt the college game will also after players get used to it.
But all of this depends on having decent referees who are consistent. Something easier said than done these last few years in college bball I'm afraid.
But all of this depends on having decent referees who are consistent. Something easier said than done these last few years in college bball I'm afraid.
well, I do agree that inconsistency is the root of the problem. You're preaching some perfect world scenario though. I don't really see much changing so with the current game I don't want to see every little thing called. It makes for some awful basketball.
Grover Cleveland
Member
The college game is way too physical these days, I'm glad to see them start making moves towards reducing some of that physicality.
Sure it will hurt teams that like to press on defense (i.e. Louisville and Duke) at least initially. But overall, the idea of freedom of movement will be a good change for college basketball.
Sure it will hurt teams that like to press on defense (i.e. Louisville and Duke) at least initially. But overall, the idea of freedom of movement will be a good change for college basketball.
It also makes for some great games. The IU UK game in the tournament 2 years ago was called ridiculously tightly for modern standards and was one of the best games in recent memory.
Once players adapt to playing under the rules being called consistently for a whole season, the games should get even better, if only because two of the best players wouldn't have been on the bench the majority of the first half.
Grover Cleveland
Member
Tyus Jones, Justice Winslow, and Jahlil Okafor are all visiting Duke this weekend for what's being called "the biggest weekend in Duke recruiting history"
It'll be the last official for Tyus and Jah, who visited Kansas together last weekend.
In other news, Kevon Looney just scheduled an official for next weekend.
It'll be the last official for Tyus and Jah, who visited Kansas together last weekend.
In other news, Kevon Looney just scheduled an official for next weekend.
Randolph Freelander
Member
I hope Bill Self enjoys his newest commitments.
Outdoor Miner
Member
We got Big Cliff in for a visit this weekend. Getting good vibes from Illini and Chicago insiders. If Groce can land him it is a program changer.
It's been said we are a sleeping giant one great coach away from entering that elite tier due to our proximity to the most fertile of recruiting grounds.
We thought we had that with Bill Self but he understandably bailed for a blueblood program.
I only hope we can prevent Groce from doing the same.
It's been said we are a sleeping giant one great coach away from entering that elite tier due to our proximity to the most fertile of recruiting grounds.
We thought we had that with Bill Self but he understandably bailed for a blueblood program.
I only hope we can prevent Groce from doing the same.
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
lol, we ain't getting none of them.
There's a high probability somebody's gonna host a racist Halloween party.
Andy Katz has a story out saying Calipari is arranging for a new four team event for the next three years between UK, North Carolina, Ohio St. and UCLA. Basically like the current Champions Classic. Potential sites in Brooklyn, Vegas and somewhere in the Midwest. Could be cool if it all happens. UCLA and Ohio St. are saying they're in.
Grover Cleveland
Member
THat Semi dunk is ridiculous, he's going to play the the role of little used freshman that all Duke marks will complain about not getting enough pt and worry about transferring.
As far as the recruits this weekend, everyone says Tyus is a Duke lock, Winslow is down to Duke and Arizona and who really knows with Okafor. Missing on Okafor the recruit will hurt Duke's reputation more than missing on Okafor the player. Can't be helped though.
As far as the recruits this weekend, everyone says Tyus is a Duke lock, Winslow is down to Duke and Arizona and who really knows with Okafor. Missing on Okafor the recruit will hurt Duke's reputation more than missing on Okafor the player. Can't be helped though.
There's a chance Duke misses on Okafor?
Duke has struck out on every 1st choice big man target other than Mason Plumlee so there will always be reasons to be concerned, especially since KU is hot on the trail.
Yeah, but they seem really set on the packaged deal thing. I guess we'll see.
KU could land some huge big man recruits in Okafor, Myles Turner and Cliff Alexander, but they could also miss out on all three. Seeing some Texas momentum for Turner in the media, Illinois for Alexander and obviously Duke is there for Okafor. Should be interesting down the stretch here.
Anyways, I'm really hoping UK gets a shooting guard commitment in the near future. Either Devin Booker or James Blackmon. Even though I'm feeling pessimistic about this class and won't be surprised if we miss out on both :lol
Grover Cleveland
Member
If they're actually serious about the package deal thing, they'll both play for Duke.
The best news for Duke is that this is their last official and they both want to make their decisions pretty soon after this weekend. Meaning less time for Self or someone like Cal to make a last-minute play.