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2017 Oscar Nominations

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Sean C

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Thoughts on each category: (other than the short categories)

Best Picture - this is La La Land's to lose, given its huge tally of nominations and Academy-friendly subject-matter. This would make it the first original musical to win Best Picture since 1958, having become the first to be nominated since 1967. Moonlight is the challenger and probable beneficiary of people who view it as the worthier, more "serious" movie (this happens every time a comedy/musical is the frontrunner, in particular).

Best Director
- Damien Chazelle is a safe bet here, and would probably win even if his film loses Best Picture.

Best Actor - Affleck has won almost everything here, and his putative main rival, Washington, hasn't built much steam, particularly since the film overall faded in the course of the race and is focused now on a win for Viola Davis. Maybe if the sexual harassment allegations against Affleck really explode it will shift the media narrative, but it's late in the game for that.

Best Actress - the hardest to judge of the acting categories. Emma Stone is in the BP frontrunner, but hasn't, thus far, gathered much in the way of individual awards. Natalie Portman has critical heat, but is dividing it with Isabelle Huppert, and in neither case did their films find a ton of support outside of them. SAG will offer some clarity on this point next week, whether it's Portman or Stone.

Best Supporting Actor - the precursors would identify Mahershala Ali as the frontrunner, which I'll go with. He's a little low on the fame side to be a totally assured winner, but I don't sense much of a narrative building around any of his rivals either (this would be a different situation if Jeff Bridges didn't already have an Oscar).

Best Supporting Actress - Davis is the frontrunner here, and has a great winning narrative (she's now the most nominated black/POC actress in Academy history, but hasn't won yet, and is well-respected). If Moonlight really surged, maybe Harris would upset here, but otherwise, Davis.

Best Original Screenplay - Manchester by the Sea probably collects its second consolation prize here, unless La La Land really sweeps, but the former is such a writerly movie that I think it's the favourite (and Chazelle is more likely to be thought of as a director).

Best Adapted Screenplay - easy win for Moonlight.

Best Film Editing - Tom Cross won Best Editing for his first film with Damien Chazelle, and he will repeat here.

Best Cinematography - this is a likely win for La La Land, though in principle I could see any of these films other than Lion winning.

Best Production Design - La La Land probably wins this too, since the other BP nominee represented here (Arrival) is fairly muted for a sci-fi nominee in this category, and the others are genre/period pictures that don't seem to have much heat.

Best Costume Design - La La Land's vibrant jewel tones will likely put it in the front of the pack here, making it the first contemporary winner since The Legend of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert in 1994. If not, Jackie or Florence Foster Jenkins are more traditional period winners.

Best Original Score - La La Land in a walk.

Best Original Song - I think "Audition" is the stronger of the two songs nominated from La La Land, but "City of Stars" seems to have become the film's anthem, and so is presumptively the stronger candidate. There being two nominees opens up the possibility of "How Far I'll Go" coming up the middle, but I ultimately doubt that an original musical will win Best Picture but not Best Original Song.

Best Sound Editing - war movies generally do well here, so I'll say Hacksaw Ridge, which will be its token reward.

Best Sound Mixing - musicals do well here, so I'll guess this goes to La La Land, though I know some people have taken issue with its sound mixing.

Best Visual Effects - I have a hard time seeing this not going to the photoreal animal effects of The Jungle Book, seeing as they were resistant to Star Wars' charms last year and in general have no interest in Marvel Studios films.

Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Star Trek Beyond wins this, the second of the three Abrams-verse Trek films to do so, seeing as its rivals are either unseen by most or considered of dubious quality.

Best Documentary Feature - O.J.: Made in America probably walks off with this unless people rebel against its length or its being allowed into the movie awards. Who would most benefit from that happening, I'm not sure.

Best Foreign Language Film - at least going by the critical acclaim, Toni Erdmann should cruise to victory here, though the wins in this category often feel extremely random.

Best Animated Feature - Zootopia has been the frontrunner in this category all year, and it will continue to be so for the remainder of the awards season. It has an unbeatable mixture of critical support and box office power. Plus, a (sadly) timely political subtext.
 
It was developed as a single (really long) film and got a brief theatrical release before being restructured and shown on TV, so it's eligible.

You have an article talking about this? Because every interview Ive seen with Ezra was this was a TV documentary for ESPN..commercial breaks and all.
 

Loxley

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I see Silence was robbed.

SMH at the animated category. Kubo should win but it won't.

I know people like shit on the Best Animated Film category as the "Disney Award", but Zootopia absolutely deserves it. It's the most timely, socially relevant animated film in years. Any other year I would give it to Kubo as well, but I would argue Zootopia was a far more important film than Kubo.

2016 was a year that saw nationalism and xenophobia on the rise, the President of the United States advocating creating a Muslim registry, and mass protests for equal rights of black americans and women. So a movie that teaches kids about tolerance and acceptance of everyone even if they look different from you, and such a well-executed one at that like Zootopia, deserves every goddamn award people can throw at it as far as I'm concerned.
 
Are people raising cry and hue about the Gibson nominations here ? Because I just saw a really stupid piece about it on buzzfeed and I am not even fan of the guy.
 

Sean C

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You have an article talking about this? Because every interview Ive seen with Ezra was this was a TV documentary for ESPN..commercial breaks and all.
The commercial breaks, etc. were added in for the TV screening. The theatrical cut that was shown in only a few places didn't have them.

SMH at the animated category. Kubo should win but it won't.
Zootopia is better than Kubo, in my opinion. It's much better-written. Kubo encounters real narrative problems in its final third.
 
I know people like shit on the Best Animated Film category as the "Disney Award", but Zootopia absolutely deserves it. It's the most timely, socially relevant animated film in years. Any other year I would give it to Kubo as well, but I would argue Zootopia was a far more important film than Kubo.

2016 was a year that saw nationalism and xenophobia on the rise, the President of the United States advocating creating a Muslim registry, and mass protests for equal rights of black americans and women. So a movie that teaches kids about tolerance and acceptance of everyone even if they look different from you, and such a well-executed one at that like Zootopia, deserves every goddamn award people can throw at it as far as I'm concerned.

Even ignoring Moana and Kubo I'd consider the other movies more deserving too. They really bring something new to the table.
 

shira

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La La Land will do well. I don't think it needs to win double digit oscars though. Costume design? Really? Seems like there would be dozens of movies with more interesting costume design than La La Land.

It's one of those movies that gets the snowball momentum, especially after the Globes. It's a fine movie but I'm never going to consider it one of the greatest movies of all time. Let's not go nuts and give it everything.

They had a lot of costumes. Almost every scene was an entirely new change of clothes

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The Golden Globes are voted on by nobodies. It's a glorified sham awards.


Best Director[/B] - Damien Chazelle is a safe bet here, and would probably win even if his film loses Best Picture.

He will be the youngest ever if he wins.
 

Ridley327

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Oh yeah, why is everyone pretending the OJ thing is a movie and not a television show? lol

ESPN Films had a really good feeling about it early on, so it made some important festival appearances where it was screened in its entirety as one film a couple of months prior to airing on ESPN. The director has also maintained that it was envisioned as a whole film prior to it being split up into episodes, and to be honest, it actually does flow really well as a whole without any gaps.

I will say that if it was anything other than a documentary, then I don't think it would have been so easily considered otherwise. The feature-length documentary category has really been the only progressive one in terms of eligibility, as Netflix has been carving out a really nice niche for themselves with how many nominees they have already for their productions.
 

Sean C

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Woah, no nomination for Finding Dory? Considering its critical response, I figured it would get a nomination. Interesting.
The Academy hasn't had much interest in Pixar sequels. Only Toy Story 3 was nominated (though it won), which is also the only sequel to win this category, though there have been some Dreamworks, etc. sequels with nominations. If there weren't two major Disney releases this year, I suspect it would have gotten in.
 
So far as Hell or High Water getting a nom goes, I think that's simply due to the kind of film it is, and the efficiency by which everything about it is executed. Nothing's really wasted in that film at all, and the performances are uniformly great. It's a film that doesn't excel to heights that you'd consider transformative, but there's also no weak links in it anywhere. Not in the score, or the cinematography, or the editing, or the dialog...

It's a modern western that isn't being ostentatious about the fact it's a modern western, or that it's a prestige picture. It's just a solid story told very, very well, by very, very talented people.

I couldn't agree more, I thoroughly enjoyed Hell or High Water
 

PlayerOne

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Kimi no na wa/Your Name got fucking robbed in the animation category. But hey, at least Suicide Squad can now be promoted as an Oscar-nominated film!

Great, right?
........ right?



I remember when the Animated Feature ballot count was like 10 or something for Frozen.

10 people voted, Frozen won over The Wind Rises,

Big Hero 6 won over Tale of Princess Kaguya

Inside Out won over Anomalisa.

and now Your Name got snubbed for what, Moana?
 

Sean C

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I remember when the Animated Feature ballot count was like 10 or something for Frozen.
The ballot count where? The Academy doesn't release that information.

10 people voted, Frozen won over The Wind Rises,

Big Hero 6 won over Tale of Princess Kaguya

Inside Out won over Anomalisa.

and now Your Name got snubbed for what, Moana?
All of the winners you cite, other than Big Hero 6 (which was fine, but not great) were very strong films.
 
Are people raising cry and hue about the Gibson nominations here ? Because I just saw a really stupid piece about it on buzzfeed and I am not even fan of the guy.
Just read that article and yea, very very stupid. 2006 was over 10 years ago, so I don't think Hollywood is 'quick' in that regard.
Plus, are people not allowed to get second chances?
 

TheFlow

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Thoughts on each category: (other than the short categories)

Best Picture - this is La La Land's to lose, given its huge tally of nominations and Academy-friendly subject-matter. This would make it the first original musical to win Best Picture since 1958, having become the first to be nominated since 1967. Moonlight is the challenger and probable beneficiary of people who view it as the worthier, more "serious" movie (this happens every time a comedy/musical is the frontrunner, in particular).

Best Director
- Damien Chazelle is a safe bet here, and would probably win even if his film loses Best Picture.

Best Actor - Affleck has won almost everything here, and his putative main rival, Washington, hasn't built much steam, particularly since the film overall faded in the course of the race and is focused now on a win for Viola Davis. Maybe if the sexual harassment allegations against Affleck really explode it will shift the media narrative, but it's late in the game for that.

Best Actress - the hardest to judge of the acting categories. Emma Stone is in the BP frontrunner, but hasn't, thus far, gathered much in the way of individual awards. Natalie Portman has critical heat, but is dividing it with Isabelle Huppert, and in neither case did their films find a ton of support outside of them. SAG will offer some clarity on this point next week, whether it's Portman or Stone.

Best Supporting Actor - the precursors would identify Mahershala Ali as the frontrunner, which I'll go with. He's a little low on the fame side to be a totally assured winner, but I don't sense much of a narrative building around any of his rivals either (this would be a different situation if Jeff Bridges didn't already have an Oscar).

Best Supporting Actress - Davis is the frontrunner here, and has a great winning narrative (she's now the most nominated black/POC actress in Academy history, but hasn't won yet, and is well-respected). If Moonlight really surged, maybe Harris would upset here, but otherwise, Davis.

Best Original Screenplay - Manchester by the Sea probably collects its second consolation prize here, unless La La Land really sweeps, but the former is such a writerly movie that I think it's the favourite (and Chazelle is more likely to be thought of as a director).

Best Adapted Screenplay - easy win for Moonlight.

Best Film Editing - Tom Cross won Best Editing for his first film with Damien Chazelle, and he will repeat here.

Best Cinematography - this is a likely win for La La Land, though in principle I could see any of these films other than Lion winning.

Best Production Design - La La Land probably wins this too, since the other BP nominee represented here (Arrival) is fairly muted for a sci-fi nominee in this category, and the others are genre/period pictures that don't seem to have much heat.

Best Costume Design - La La Land's vibrant jewel tones will likely put it in the front of the pack here, making it the first contemporary winner since The Legend of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert in 1994. If not, Jackie or Florence Foster Jenkins are more traditional period winners.

Best Original Score - La La Land in a walk.

Best Original Song - I think "Audition" is the stronger of the two songs nominated from La La Land, but "City of Stars" seems to have become the film's anthem, and so is presumptively the stronger candidate. There being two nominees opens up the possibility of "How Far I'll Go" coming up the middle, but I ultimately doubt that an original musical will win Best Picture but not Best Original Song.

Best Sound Editing - war movies generally do well here, so I'll say Hacksaw Ridge, which will be its token reward.

Best Sound Mixing - musicals do well here, so I'll guess this goes to La La Land, though I know some people have taken issue with its sound mixing.

Best Visual Effects - I have a hard time seeing this not going to the photoreal animal effects of The Jungle Book, seeing as they were resistant to Star Wars' charms last year and in general have no interest in Marvel Studios films.

Best Makeup and Hairstyling - Star Trek Beyond wins this, the second of the three Abrams-verse Trek films to do so, seeing as its rivals are either unseen by most or considered of dubious quality.

Best Documentary Feature - O.J.: Made in America probably walks off with this unless people rebel against its length or its being allowed into the movie awards. Who would most benefit from that happening, I'm not sure.

Best Foreign Language Film - at least going by the critical acclaim, Toni Erdmann should cruise to victory here, though the wins in this category often feel extremely random.

Best Animated Feature - Zootopia has been the frontrunner in this category all year, and it will continue to be so for the remainder of the awards season. It has an unbeatable mixture of critical support and box office power. Plus, a (sadly) timely political subtext.
Moonlight being the better film is reason enough
 
Moonlight being the better film is reason enough

I wouldn't necessarily say Moonlight is the better film, but it's definitely the more culturally important film which is why it has the best chance out of any other film in upsetting La La Land.

That said, I still see La La Land winning Best Picture. It just has too much momentum.
 
La La Land has everything in its corner. Its got the critical and commercial success, its got the awards momentum, its got the most Oscar nominees of all time, its got the exact right subject matter Hollywood loves to award themselves. It could have double digit wins before the night is over, easily.
 
Just read that article and yea, very very stupid. 2006 was over 10 years ago, so I don't think Hollywood is 'quick' in that regard.
Plus, are people not allowed to get second chances?

Had to look this article up. Looks like they collected 5 twitters and pasted them in an article. Everyone is outraged!

And before some softy comes in to correct you, Gibson had all that stuff with his wife happen in 2010. So 6 years. I didnt care what he said 1 hour after I heard about it. Hes not my husband..i just love his movies.
 
in all liklihood, the top 3 most critically acclaimed movies of the year(LLL/Moonlight/Manchester) will all be walking with a couple Oscars each, and hey! All the movies are good! We should be happy about that. I mean, Birdman won this shit a couple years ago...
 

stupei

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I would pick La La Land over Moonlight. It honestly just has abit more to offer as far as film goes.

It dropped quite a bit for me after a second viewing. Outside the beginning and ending being rather exceptional, it's an otherwise pretty average film that didn't hold up after the spectacle of a first watch.
 
the middle part with John Legend is like "oops we forgot to write the rest of the movie, quick throw something up!"

but that ending happens and you float out the theater thinking you saw a masterpiece
 

Sean C

Member
Moonlight being the better film is reason enough
Both films are among the most acclaimed of the year. My point is that the narrative around Moonlight is going to play up the more serious subject-matter, which is routine whenever the frontrunner is a comedy/musical, because those genres are viewed as inherently less important.
 
Had to look this article up. Looks like they collected 5 twitters and pasted them in an article. Everyone is outraged!

And before some softy comes in to correct you, Gibson had all that stuff with his wife happen in 2010. So 6 years. I didnt care what he said 1 hour after I heard about it. Hes not my husband..i just love his movies.
Ah my bad, I was just going off of the date the article gave but still. 6 years. That's a long ass time. Dude has apologized countless times and makes kick ass movies, he's earned his nom.
 

Theodoricos

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Disappointed that Amy Adams, Your Name and The Handmaiden didn't get a nomination. Also bummed out that Silence is so underrepresented considering it's my favorite Scorsese film by far.

However, I'm glad for the love La La Land and Arrival are getting. Both are truly great films. I prefer Arrival, but I'm expecting La La Land to win BP.
 
I am sorta surprised the Handmaiden didn't get more attention.

But then I remember the content of the Handmaiden and I'm not as surprised.

That movie fucking goes there.
 

Beaulieu

Member
It's basically the same thing. Intentionally confusing "non-linear narration" to sell a simple story that could have been told in much shorter time.

Enemy also committed the sin of making Melanie Laurent look plain and boring.

The way the story is presented in both of these movies dont make them more complicated, imo.
 

Theodoricos

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The Handmaiden wasn't South Korea's selection for the Academy, it was The Age of Shadows which was selected over it.

In that case, they dun goofed!

Though I'm not into action movies at all, I'm looking forward to seeing The Age of Shadows too just because of Song Kang-ho.
 
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