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[CajoleJuice]

You think there's just a writer sitting in a room somewhere thinking of new ways for Jack to torture people? :lol

That was hardcore. Awesome!

 

[Ristamar]

Ouch. That was awesome...

 

[Mac the KNife]

Damn, I have to admit it's getting better.

Been re-watching season 1 for the past week.

Season 4 can't touch it.

So far:

Season 1>>>>>>>>>>>Season 2>>>>>>>>>Season 4>>>>>Season 3

 

[Memles]

Okay...this episode really wasn't that entertaining. Sorry, folks, Jack breaking a guy's fingers doesn't negate the rest of the episode being ENTIRELY UNEVENTFUL. The one major event, the theft of a NUCLEAR WARHEAD was completely overshadowed by annoying as hell Edgar, annoying as hell President Logan, and annoying as hell Amnesty lawyer.

There are plot points to "nitpick", such as why Jack never bothered to tell the President they believe Marwan was trying to stop them. It's fairly clear why they chose not to do that; they need Logan to seem as inadequate and stupid as possible, so he could never possibly do the right thing. This gives them an excuse to have Jack break some fingers, while completely ignoring the ramifications of his action, and how it could actually be dealt with.

This isn't nitpicking little details in real terms; this is nitpicking idiot plotting decisions that are detrimental to the show on the whole. I get it, Logan's an idiot! The whole thing seems contrived for the purpose of building to next week.

The entire episode will always be remembered as "The Episode before

Spoiler

Palmer Comes Back

". We didn't see the reaction about the warhead, we didn't see anything really exciting, and on the whole it was a boring hour of television that was only slightly redeemed by some good Chloe comedy.

Jack Bauer can break fingers all he wants, but the writers can't continue to parade around Bauer as if he's a protection for the obvious plot issues they're dealing with that have now become too contrived for their own good.

 

[MIMIC]

Okay...this episode really wasn't that entertaining. Sorry, folks, Jack breaking a guy's fingers doesn't negate the rest of the episode being ENTIRELY UNEVENTFUL.

The terrorists have obtained a nuclear warhead
Jack has apparently resigned
Mike is starting rumblings about the efficiency of the new President
Jack has gone completely over the President's head and has a new person to interrogate, who is directly connected to Marwan

I see your point.

The one major event, the theft of a NUCLEAR WARHEAD was completely overshadowed by annoying as hell Edgar, annoying as hell President Logan, and annoying as hell Amnesty lawyer.

I just think you were paying too much attention to Edgar. He didn't overshadow anything for me.

There are plot points to "nitpick", such as why Jack never bothered to tell the President they believe Marwan was trying to stop them. It's fairly clear why they chose not to do that; they need Logan to seem as inadequate and stupid as possible, so he could never possibly do the right thing.

??? You just filled the plot hole.

This gives them an excuse to have Jack break some fingers, while completely ignoring the ramifications of his action, and how it could actually be dealt with.

Jack has done much worse.

 

[Black Deatha]

Man jack went easy on that guy, was almost easy on him in comparison to others, think about it, that guy still get's to walk, he still has a beating heart, still has a head without any extra holes, hel, he still HAS a head, still HAS his fingers, still has his life, he will just have a headache and suck at typing, he should write Jack a nice thank you card in a few days.

Awsome episode, Logan is a tool, and you could so read Mike's face to say "David should kick your ass"

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Never posted last week, but I was thinking, after hearing all about the return of Palmer, I was more suprised to see Mike return, thought we had seen the last of him at the end of season 2, wonder how Palmer will react to him.

Anyone else wonder where exactly Marwan was heading? he got out next to that club entrance it seemd.

~Black Deatha

 

[AniHawk]

So Behrooz is sorta dead now, eh?

 

[DarkAngelYuna]

Sigh so disappointing. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Hopefully next week is atleast DECENT.

 

[Memles]

The terrorists have obtained a nuclear warhead
Jack has apparently resigned
Mike is starting rumblings about the efficiency of the new President
Jack has gone completely over the President's head and has a new person to interrogate, who is directly connected to Marwan

I see your point.

But where did that get them? What did it advance? We didn't see the effects of Jack's "resignation". It happened in the span of 6 minutes! We saw them with the warhead so few times that it never registered. Jack going over the head of someone is NOTHING new and is expected to happen all the time. And Mike "starting rumblings" is nothing; we, as the viewer, saw that in his nervousness two weeks ago. I mean, duh. We're not idiots; we don't need to hear "rumblings" we kind of get he's an idiot who has no idea what he's doing.

I just think you were paying too much attention to Edgar. He didn't overshadow anything for me.

Nope, I'm paying just enough attention to him. Edgar could be, you know, working on something important involving the warhead. Surely that could keep him occupied so he doesn't keep complaining about the guy who "Killed his mother". I mean, geez, it was how many hours ago now? And for the past 4-5 hours he didn't go into this mode even once? Just the guy walking through gave him a one-track mind? Annoying.

??? You just filled the plot hole.

I filled a plot hole with a contrivance the writers are using to make a character as stupid as fucking possible...that is not adaquate. Logic would involve telling the President that they believed a terrorist was behind the Amnesty Lawyer. But they didn't, because then even Logan would have done something. They're creating a contrived idiot in Logan, but they wrote a plot point that just would never happen in reality. I mean, I don't mind little inconsistencies in time, or technological issues, but when common sense comes into play, I refuse to believe that the alternate 24 Universe has completely different thought patterns.

Jack has done much worse.

I know this. And I know it's been for good reasons then too. But the man "resigned". Then tazered a US Marshall. And then Broke the guy's fingers. One has to wonder if that was a better option than telling the president the Terrorists were messing with their work directly.

 

[tmdorsey]

I filled a plot hole with a contrivance the writers are using to make a character as stupid as fucking possible...that is not adaquate. Logic would involve telling the President that they believed a terrorist was behind the Amnesty Lawyer. But they didn't, because then even Logan would have done something. They're creating a contrived idiot in Logan, but they wrote a plot point that just would never happen in reality. I mean, I don't mind little inconsistencies in time, or technological issues, but when common sense comes into play, I refuse to believe that the alternate 24 Universe has completely different thought patterns.

I'm not even sure telling the fake-ass President about Marwan being behind the Amnesty Lawyer would have changed his mind. Fake-ass President could have very well went the "what proof do you have route" and seing how incompetant(sp?) they have made him out to be, he probably still wouldn't have changed his mind.

 

[DarthWoo]

So Behrooz is sorta dead now, eh?

I say he's probably going to come back and kill Marwan himself, a la

Spoiler

Gael's wife and Saunders last season. And with his dying breath, Marwan will reveal that he is Behrooz's real father.

 

[Memles]

I'm not even sure telling the fake-ass President about Marwan being behind the Amnesty Lawyer would have changed his mind. Fake-ass President could have very well went the "what proof do you have route" and seing how incompetant(sp?) they have made him out to be, he probably still wouldn't have changed his mind.

Then why didn't they do that, at least making them seem as dilligent as possible before going to torture? My point exactly.

And we have to assume Behrooz is dead, but we never saw it happen. Who knows...he could emerge and kill some guy.

I say he's probably going to come back and kill Marwan himself, a la

Spoiler

Gael's wife and Saunders last season. And with his dying breath, Marwan will reveal that he is Behrooz's real father.

From now on, you have to note where your spoilers come from; I almost didn't read those, and I would have missed out on the :lol :lol .

 

[MIMIC]

But where did that get them? What did it advance?

You're kidding, right? Not many places to go after you've obtained a nuclear warhead.

We didn't see the effects of Jack's "resignation".

So?

It happened in the span of 6 minutes! We saw them with the warhead so few times that it never registered.

The terrorists had to make plans to intercept the warhead. CTU went over the routes of the in-transit warheads. The President berated CTU for basically considering them ineffective over the warhead situation. The terrorists finally get the nuke and reveal that they have to detonate it right away. The President then makes a speech that he says was contradicted by the new events.

I'm pretty sure that focus on the warhead was more than six minutes.

Jack going over the head of someone is NOTHING new and is expected to happen all the time.

Jack has NEVER disobeyed a direct order from the President. Never.

And Mike "starting rumblings" is nothing; we, as the viewer, saw that in his nervousness two weeks ago. I mean, duh. We're not idiots; we don't need to hear "rumblings" we kind of get he's an idiot who has no idea what he's doing.

That's not the point. The point is that his administration is showing a lack of faith in him which makes the viewer ask the question, "What happens next?" just like what happened in season one when the Vice President invoked the 25th Amendment.

Nope, I'm paying just enough attention to him. Edgar could be, you know, working on something important involving the warhead. Surely that could keep him occupied so he doesn't keep complaining about the guy who "Killed his mother". I mean, geez, it was how many hours ago now? And for the past 4-5 hours he didn't go into this mode even once? Just the guy walking through gave him a one-track mind? Annoying.

Just two episodes ago, Chloe brought the subject back up when she told him that he'd have to have a funeral for his mother without the body. Later, he started fucking up his work. And now, he gets to see a man who possibly had something to with it.

This is all recent stuff and it's obviously coming to a head.

I filled a plot hole with a contrivance the writers are using to make a character as stupid as fucking possible...that is not adaquate. Logic would involve telling the President that they believed a terrorist was behind the Amnesty Lawyer. But they didn't, because then even Logan would have done something. They're creating a contrived idiot in Logan, but they wrote a plot point that just would never happen in reality. I mean, I don't mind little inconsistencies in time, or technological issues, but when common sense comes into play, I refuse to believe that the alternate 24 Universe has completely different thought patterns.

Who says Logan would have done something? They can't PROVE that a terrorist called in the lawyer. He's dead-set on the nuclear warhead anyway, so he could potentially dismiss it.

And we all know that Jack doesn't "waste his time" with people.

I know this. And I know it's been for good reasons then too. But the man "resigned". Then tazered a US Marshall. And then Broke the guy's fingers. One has to wonder if that was a better option than telling the president the Terrorists were messing with their work directly.

Again, like I said above...

Jack probably has a plan in store that we have yet to see.

 

[CloudNL]

"This will help you with the pain." BAM! :lol

Preview:

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The 24 family together again. Palmer vs Mike showdown!

:lol

Oh, btw. The season will end mindblowing with the biggest (2 hours) and best season finale yet. They even say it is the best episode yet and will have a connection with the end of the

Spoiler

second season finale!

 

[Baron Aloha]

Oh, btw. The season will end mindblowing with the biggest (2 hours) and best season finale yet. They even say it is the best episode yet and will have a connection with the end of the

Spoiler

second season finale!

Yeah....

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I heard a spoiler on the radio yesterday about someone from Season 2 being behind the whole thing but I'm not going to repeat who it supposedly is. If you think about which bad guys were left alive at the end of the second season it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

 

[Memles]

Jack probably has a plan in store that we have yet to see.

Which makes this episode? Pointless. The development of, you know, the hijacking of a nuclear weapon, would normally have been a huge and important episode...this wasn't. Maybe it's that the rest of the season has desensitized us, but the episode seemed more worried about the inadequacy of the president that we totally got LAST WEEK. We didn't need an entire episode devoted to it.

It's not that it was the only thing that happened; it seemed like all of the decisions being made were contrived into further proving how much of an idiot he is, and how everything is about to go to shit. We didn't need an episode to do that; we had it already. It needed a shift in focus; the same events could have occured, but with less "OMG, the president is a dumbass" overtones.

 

[DarkAngelYuna]

I miss Kim =[

 

[suaveric]

One more bit of “unrealism” - Has any of the show's writers ever been to Iowa and/or Illinois? What mountainous terrain are they talking about when they say they can't get a good picture from satellites?