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[bob_arctor]

I'm walking on fuckin' clouds over here I tell ya.

The set-up? Standing LK, whiffed, semi-close range. Hide that 1st 360 in there (don't press punch!). Here comes my friend hopping over that whiffed LK, right in front of me for a sec, tries to atta--BAM! 360 + P. Gigas. Standing. Match over. *Wipes tear from eye* So beautiful...

Work them over with LK>Clap. Condition them enough where they eventually think they can hop over the clap, especially if they see you whiff the initial LK (could be a crouching LK, doesn't matter).

Also, my Parry>360 was rocking this weekend--this because I've been working a lot w/ Alex lately and his SAI.

Big Time Hugo player Sandybags felt the wrath from me online--oh, he beat me, no question, but he stopped trying to take it to me after our very 1st round when he got owned throughout before getting suckered into my Gigas (not standing alas, more of a classic bait). After that initial match, he was all about patience/countering. Good shit all around though. Shows me I'm not too far from a great Hugo like Sandy.

 

[bumpkin]

Standing Gigas? What the deuce is a Giga?

 

[Hooker]

Mega's cousin

 

[bob_arctor]

Standing Gigas? What the deuce is a Giga?

It's the most fear-inducing, jaw-dropping, flat-out "holyshitgottagetawayholyshit" Super the Street Fighter world has ever seen.

Courtesy of this man, nay, courtesy of this god amongst men:

 

[bumpkin]

It's the most fear-inducing, jaw-dropping, flat-out "holyshitgottagetawayholyshit" Super the Street Fighter world has ever seen.

Courtesy of this man, nay, courtesy of this god amongst men:

Ohhhhh, okay. Is it more brutal than Zangief's supers in SSF2T? Cuz those were pretty brutal.

 

[bob_arctor]

Ohhhhh, okay. Is it more brutal than Zangief's supers in SSF2T? Cuz those were pretty brutal.

Oh, it's brutal. I hesitate to claim it more brutal than what the crazy bear-wrestling Russian would come up with, so let's just say it's the spiritual successor to Zangief's super.

 

[Tea Master]

Is that the super that takes off 75% of your health?

 

[Tain]

I pray the connection here returns to the point where I can play this online again.

And I would've loved to see that replay.

 

[bob_arctor]

I would say that's Akuma's Raging Demon, but the Gigas Breaker is only a step below.

It's the way it sucks you up like this black hole of utter humiliation that seals it. Like when you're still high up in the air, in the middle of the super, twirling what amounts to a corpse on your back since the initial portion of the Gigas has already killed your opponent. Or how it just sneaks up on you. Sure, you see that Super stocked and ready to go, but man, does that Hugo player ever, ever use---ACK!OHMYGODOHMYGODOHYGOD!!!

 

[LakeEarth]

The reason why Gigas is so good is because you stick to the ground when the super activates. That means if you weren't jumping when it was activated, you're dead. Hyperbomb and SlamDance don't have this property, so if you get caught in a Hyperbomb and you weren't commited to a move, you can jump out of the way in time. And Raging Demon looks cool but actually does less damage then the Gigas.

Oh and it is possible to do a Gigas without any kind of 'hiding' it motion, but you need a stick. It's really hard to do and I have no idea how but I'm sure I've seen a vid of it being done. Just standing there, you see him flicker the crouch animation, boom Gigas. But in professional vids they always buffer it. I just stick to Hammer Frenzy when I'm playing Hugo, it gives Hugo a lot of options he wouldn't have using Gigas.

It's nice to hear you almost got SandyBags. Out of I'd estimate 40 games I've had with him, I think I've beaten him maybe 3-4 matches.

 

[Juice]

I came in here hoping for Mother 3 news.

Was that romanized to Gigyas?

 

[negitoro7]

So Sandybags doesn't whore Necro's overheads and Scrubnetic Storm anymore?!? Maybe I should stop declining games with him.

 

[bob_arctor]

Oh and it is possible to do a Gigas without any kind of 'hiding' it motion, but you need a stick. It's really hard to do and I have no idea how but I'm sure I've seen a vid of it being done. Just standing there, you see him flicker the crouch animation, boom Gigas. But in professional vids they always buffer it. I just stick to Hammer Frenzy when I'm playing Hugo, it gives Hugo a lot of options he wouldn't have using Gigas.

It's nice to hear you almost got SandyBags. Out of I'd estimate 40 games I've had with him, I think I've beaten him maybe 3-4 matches.

Sandy quit on us (was playing using my friend's account) after he was up 5-0. Dunno why; it wasn't like he was dominating (well, he did own my friend's wanna-be Hugo). *Shrug*

As for a true-blue standing Gigas, I have yet to come close to it, even on my HRAP stick. I've tried doing an "empty" 360 w/ the little upwards wrist-flick than back tracking over the same motion but in the opposite way, ending w/ the flick and hitting punch, but nothing. Also, I have seen the light w/ Alex and his SAI---much, much fun to be had. It's like a pre-school version of the Gigas; wayyyyyy easier to get off on the fly (obviously) and makes his parry game deadly. Too bad, as you mentioned, it lacks any "vacuum" properties unless you commit beforehand.

 

[LakeEarth]

So Sandybags doesn't whore Necro's overheads and Scrubnetic Storm anymore?!? Maybe I should stop declining games with him.

He does (not quite as bad though, he actually learned how to use Necro's drill kicks finally, but he still uses Lagnetic Storm), but lately he's been working on his Hugo which is quite good. Beat me with the Hugonaut 4-0 the other day and I had to quit on him because I was already on a losing streak :lol

 

[bob_arctor]

So Sandybags doesn't whore Necro's overheads and Scrubnetic Storm anymore?!? Maybe I should stop declining games with him.

Heh Nah, he was still doing that shit.

 

[Ferrio]

The reason why Gigas is so good is because you stick to the ground when the super activates. That means if you weren't jumping when it was activated, you're dead. Hyperbomb and SlamDance don't have this property, so if you get caught in a Hyperbomb and you weren't commited to a move, you can jump out of the way in time. And Raging Demon looks cool but actually does less damage then the Gigas.

Oh and it is possible to do a Gigas without any kind of 'hiding' it motion, but you need a stick. It's really hard to do and I have no idea how but I'm sure I've seen a vid of it being done. Just standing there, you see him flicker the crouch animation, boom Gigas. But in professional vids they always buffer it. I just stick to Hammer Frenzy when I'm playing Hugo, it gives Hugo a lot of options he wouldn't have using Gigas.

It's nice to hear you almost got SandyBags. Out of I'd estimate 40 games I've had with him, I think I've beaten him maybe 3-4 matches.

Could of just said it has 1 frame of startup.

 

[LakeEarth]

Could of just said it has 1 frame of startup.

Yeah but not everyone is obsessed with the game as us. Saying "stick to the ground" makes it more understandable.

 

[bob_arctor]

Could of just said it has 1 frame of startup.

I like the "It's a black hole of utter humiliation" description better.

 

[Nikashi]

I was playing a pick up game with Shuri a few days ago, and hit that fucker TWICE in a match. I was so happy, I can never usually do 720s. I just move to the Xbox analog stick to do it, and it works great. I set it up with a jump in tho.

 

[bumpkin]

Oh and it is possible to do a Gigas without any kind of 'hiding' it motion, but you need a stick. It's really hard to do and I have no idea how but I'm sure I've seen a vid of it being done. Just standing there, you see him flicker the crouch animation, boom Gigas. But in professional vids they always buffer it. I just stick to Hammer Frenzy when I'm playing Hugo, it gives Hugo a lot of options he wouldn't have using Gigas.

See, I tried doing the buffer thing way back when I'd tool around with Zangief, and it'd never work for me. Meanwhile, my friend would always do a low-short and buffer into a spinning piledriver or atomic buster like it weren't no thing. Used to piss me off! :lol

 

[Ferrio]

I like the "It's a black hole of utter humiliation" description better.

Humiliation is having

<---

Grab you several times in a match.

 

[miyuru]

Yeah but not everyone is obsessed with the game as us. Saying "stick to the ground" makes it more understandable.

:lol actually I didn't understand what you were getting at, but I understood Ferrio's explanation instantly

 

[bob_arctor]

I was playing a pick up game with Shuri a few days ago, and hit that fucker TWICE in a match. I was so happy, I can never usually do 720s. I just move to the Xbox analog stick to do it, and it works great. I set it up with a jump in tho.

Ain't nothing wrong with the jump set-up. It's all good, especially at our level of play. Sure, you can be obvious, especially if your opponent falls for it or lacks a "shield" (i.e. Shoryuken), but the best way to hide it in jumps is the "jump straight up" routine. While you're up there, whiff an attack on purpose. Something w/ quick recovery preferably. Opponent's thinking "Oh, I'm gonna smack him when he comes down" and eeks closer to you. And then you set yourself up for the most pressing existential question facing us today:

W.W.H.D.?

Why, he'd Gigas.
That's what he'd do.

Good ole Sandybags fell for that set-up the other night. The bastard.

 

[bob_arctor]

Oh and it is possible to do a Gigas without any kind of 'hiding' it motion, but you need a stick. It's really hard to do and I have no idea how but I'm sure I've seen a vid of it being done.

Update:

Inspired by your post Lake, I went into practice mode last night and said "Fuck it, I'm gonna try a straight-up, honest-to-goodness, standing Gigas." That was my only mission. Lo and behold, after a few tries, after getting loose, GIGAS. One second, a jolly big guy with curly 'fro just standing there, the next, vortex of doom expunging all hope. The key, for me at least, has been to complete the motion as quickly as possible but always ending with that upwards "hook" when I press punch. I notice when I don't get it out--which was many times--it was due to my missing that little flick of the wrist at the end. I had some good runs--at one point getting out 4 in a row and once dizzying the CPU, walking up to him and pulling it off all in pretty quick succession; timing that would have worked in a real match.

All in all, pretty damn satisfying. And terrifying for everyone else. This is my new Hugo mission: Gigas at will.

P.S. If I am facing right (default), I always start the motion down/towards and then clock-wise from there. Facing left I actually do the same exact motion, except obviously now I'd begin with down/back.

 

[LakeEarth]

I read up on it a bit and it turns out it's a lot easier to do it on Japanese Sanwa sticks. I guess on those you can do the motion 'lightly' where the game will register you did a 360 but not cause your character to react to it. But "going super fast" seems to be the main way to do it. Good stuff.

I'm looking into getting an arcade stick but I keep delaying. What do you have?

 

[bob_arctor]

I read up on it a bit and it turns out it's a lot easier to do it on Japanese Sanwa sticks. I guess on those you can do the motion 'lightly' where the game will register you did a 360 but not cause your character to react to it. But "going super fast" seems to be the main way to do it. Good stuff.

I'm looking into getting an arcade stick but I keep delaying. What do you have?

I have the Hori Real Arcade Pro. I think it's Sanwa parts IIRC. I definitely get you on the "light" motion aspect--I've done 360's like that where you can hear each individual "click" corresponding to each movement registering, just a soft twirl of the wrist really. You don't even have to move the stick the entire "throw" of the gate; just slightly away from neutral works. Still, hard for me to be so gentle in the heat of battle. My key is that upwards flick at the end. I'm gonna practice this sucker all week until it starts becoming somewhat consistent.

 

[LakeEarth]

Yeah I hear HRAPs are sweet. Did you get it through Lik-Sang? How much did it put you in the hole + MagicBox?

 

[bob_arctor]

Yeah I hear HRAPs are sweet. Did you get it through Lik-Sang? How much did it put you in the hole + MagicBox?

The HRAP is God in stick form. That, plus the Magic Box set me back about $130 give or take. IIRC, I got the HRAP from Play-Asia and the Magic Box from Level Six (back when it 1st debuted there). If you go the HRAP route (and unless you're going custom, I can't see any other stick to get, honestly), see if you can find a way to get one of those limited edition versions:

That blue/silver one is sex. Here's the direct link to the description.

Can you read Japanese? Anyone here? Can these be purchased from Hori directly for U.S. shipping? Probably gonna have to wait to see who gets these from the usual suspects...

 

[ArcadeStickMonk]

The HRAP has a Sanwa JLF but the buttons are still Hori's. IMO, though, the stick makes so much more of a difference.

If you pick up a Hori Tekken 5 stick, you can turn that into a HRAP (minus the auto fire shit) buy putting a JLF into it. I did this to mine... but I never use it. There have been some kick-ass T5 mods on SRK. Mine was for demonstration only.

The mod can be done with no solder and with no dremel, but I highly reccommend using a dremel (or like device) to modify the JLF mounting bracket so you get a secure mount.

Somebody who knew what they were doing (ahem) could do it it under twenty minutes.
Replacing the buttons with Sanwas does require soldering and PCB cutting but, and as I said, doesn't gain you nearly as much.

However
To take this thing online, you need an adaptor, and that's a serious No-No with me.
You are already competing on an unstable online connection, why throw more variables at it.
Better to put an S-Type PCB in there.

 

[bob_arctor]

Just saw this is coming out as well on 11/23 in Japan:

You can pre-order over at Play-Asia. No sight of those limited editions though.

 

[LakeEarth]

I heard HRAP + Magic Box doesn't have any delay to it though I understand your concern. As it goes, it's the best stick to get if you don't wanna deal with modding shy of getting someone to make a custom one for you. So my options are get a HRAP (~$100 cdn + shipping (???) + magic box ($25 or so)) but have to deal with backordering cause thos things go fast, get a MASstick (~$130 + $20 shipping) which seems to pretty much be a NA arcade stick, or get a custom by some SRK guys (prolly $200 cdn all said and done but I get to choose my own artwork and get all Sanwa parts and Xbox PCB). I'm still trying to choose.

 

[ArcadeStickMonk]

a MASstick (~$130 + $20 shipping) which seems to pretty much be a NA arcade stick

...with a POS PCB and POS adaptor.

Just write them the fuck off right now. No matter what amauterish advice or un-formed testimonials I may have given in the past, the final realization is that MAS is so far below my required level of quality that they need not ever be mentioned again.
Over-priced garbage.

I guess Hellraizah gets away fine with his because they prolly don't need to put a PCB in a Neo stick, and it's not like he's taking them online.

 

[LakeEarth]

...with a POS PCB and POS adaptor.

Just write them the fuck off right now. No matter what amauterish advice or un-formed testimonials I may have given in the past, the final realization is that MAS is so far below my required level of quality that they need not ever be mentioned again.
Over-priced garbage.

I guess Hellraizah gets away fine with his because they prolly don't need to put a PCB in a Neo stick, and it's not like he's taking them online.

Thanks for that advice, that's one off the list. I think I might as well just get the SRK one I think looks good (Finkle's one, he uses first party PCB's he gets from S-Controllers), I'm really not THAT serious of a fighter player but if I'm gonna pay that much money I might as well go all out.

 

[bob_arctor]

Thanks for that advice, that's one off the list. I think I might as well just get the SRK one I think looks good (Finkle's one, he uses first party PCB's he gets from S-Controllers), I'm really not THAT serious of a fighter player but if I'm gonna pay that much money I might as well go all out.

Any links to this guys work? I have this one, but I haven't bothered to ask about pricing:
Simply Beautiful Work

Look at that Makoto one (sold already). Unreal.

Want this bad:

 

[ArcadeStickMonk]

I'm a fan of Byrdo's work, and an owner, but what has always bothered me is that he just throws a H-1200 Dual Shock 2 into every one of em. There's no Xbox PCBs, Live ports, multi-PCBs, or external encoders.

He is absolute tops in form, but, IMO, his function could be improved. I'm currently doing more work on the unit I bought from him.

 

[bob_arctor]

I'm a fan of Byrdo's work, and an owner, but what has always bothered me is that he just throws a H-1200 Dual Shock 2 into every one of em. There's no Xbox PCBs, Live ports, multi-PCBs, or external encoders.

He is absolute tops in form, but, IMO, his function could be improved. I'm currently doing more work on the unit I bought from him.

Would there be any lag using a Magicbox then? I assume no if it's the same Dual Shock PCB's as HRAP. Also, do you ever sell some of your work? I ask only cuz I "know" you from here at GAF and thus would have a better sense of trust purchasing something pretty major like a custom stick.

Byrdo seems to hover around the $200-$400 range--that cherry wood stick would probably fetch upwards of $300 I think. Also, I notice there isn't a "Select" button on the 2 sticks pictured--no alternate color Hugo!!

 

[ArcadeStickMonk]

Would there be any lag using a Magicbox then? I assume no if it's the same Dual Shock PCB's as HRAP. Also, do you ever sell some of your work? I ask only cuz I "know" you from here at GAF and thus would have a better sense of trust purchasing something pretty major like a custom stick.

I don't give out advice on adaptors. I refuse to use them and thus have very little experience with them. My policy is, if there is even a discussion on lag, then the whole concept is fundementaly flawed and let's go 1st party.

My work isn't to the point where I'm comfortable selling it and being represented by it. I can hack electronics with the best of em by now and have created some great multi-console interfaces and some of my own innovations, but my carpentry just isn't up to Byrdo's level. Without that gorgeous case and art to be the "face" of my work, I'm content to let my stuff cook for a bit more.

Rest assured, that I'm always getting better, always working on some portion of the craft, and always always thinking of arcade sticks and how I can make them better.
My goal is to produce very near Byrdo quality cases, with better electronic interfacing than anybody else.
And I'm seriously very close, but I'm not there yet. GAF will be the first to know and benefit.

 

[bob_arctor]

Hey, my friend just send me this pic:

Wonder if it'll use Sanwa parts though. Notice the mic port at the bottom. Pretty nice to see the 360 will have at least one real fighting stick.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Any links to this guys work? I have this one, but I haven't bothered to ask about pricing:
Simply Beautiful Work

Look at that Makoto one (sold already). Unreal.

Want this bad:

Uhh...not work safe, you dolt. Pay attention to what you're posting.